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[Yura]

Systemically. Not sure hard water is the bioavailable calcium

Lol gaining weight might be more about eating too much though but I get what you mean. They both have kids now so probs a bit of stress eating from that. Dr Wilson been on it way longer than them but he wasn't overweight, and a lot of other practitioners aren't.

Simply that program that they were pushing is not sustainable. What is the point of starving your body on nothing but veggies and lean protein when you need to heal your adrenals? Look at symptpoms of undereating and adrenal fatigue they are identical. You have to eat. That protocol should be veggies yes, meat yes, but also with every meal good amount of complex carbs. To keep cortisol low and blood sugar stable.. That is sustainable diet for life. I am doing that all the time. Basically I keep eating my bodybuilding diet. I just dropped protein from 200-250g meat per meal to 150-100g.. That keeps me lean with abs and veins even with my low thyroid.. + of course I don't touch alcohol or any of that..

 

[Aleksandr]

Simply that program that they were pushing is not sustainable. What is the point of starving your body on nothing but veggies and lean protein when you need to heal your adrenals? Look at symptpoms of undereating and adrenal fatigue they are identical. You have to eat. That protocol should be veggies yes, meat yes, but also with every meal good amount of complex carbs. To keep cortisol low and blood sugar stable.. That is sustainable diet for life. I am doing that all the time. Basically I keep eating my bodybuilding diet. I just dropped protein from 200-250g meat per meal to 150-100g.. That keeps me lean with abs and veins even with my low thyroid.. + of course I don't touch alcohol or any of that..

Tbh if your diet remains consistent i don't see why the supplements alone wouldn't balance you, in fact it makes logical sense to have fewer moving parts

 

[Yura]

Well I tried all kinds of diets but I can't function on any extreme. So I always come back to meat/starch or whey protein with oats or something like that 3-4 times a day.. Yes routine is very important. THe body likes routine. If the body knows what is coming like when and what meals, when go to sleep etc.. That is the only way to optimize everything in the body + I am somewhat autistic I think and people like that have to have routine. Otherwise I am lost.. I think if I could go back in time and I was healthy I would go into military lol.

 

[RebelWithACause]

I did good on meat + starch + vegetables at my sickest. And before that without the starch. For me it was simpler starch which helped me. Which a lot of people don't like in healing communities. But it helped me.

Then I got low on calcium I think after doing that for a long time. Maybe that's why ARL and Dr.Wilson focus on calcium (supplements) so much because their diet is very stressful and will get rid of calcification. But doing that long term will deplete you not just of calcium. You can't supplement against that lol.

Now I am probably transitioning to something else again I notice. I sometimes miss the light feeling of not eating a a bunch of meat, dairy, starch. I notice animal foods have a lot of good stuff that can help if you are sick but I wouldn't say these foods generate the most energy

@Aleksandr I lost the weight after yes. I don't think the diet tanked my metabolic rate I think it wasted all my buffers so my metabolic rate couldnt go up anymore. His diet is very stressfull long term. Definitely close to starving. That's why sometimes having a slower metabolism is more gentle and better long term. Too fast and you just get fucked lol. Too slow is bad too because nothing happens in that of course.

Wouldn't be surprised if that is the case with Lewis and Luke that they burnt through their buffers and now their metabolic rate dropped.

I saw Luke say (been some years I watched them tho) he drinks beer and eating cheese and stuff. At the start they both looked healthier and faster metabolism, now they look the opposite like it completely dropped.

I also followed this YouTube channel who also did the program with people telling their stories and I remember one guy he cheated on the diet sometimes with hamburgers and fries... no wonder lol

 

[Yura]

I put calcium citrate powder on my foods to get RDA for calcium. I can't do dairy apart from whey protein which is low in calcium.. I can't eat fatty meats like chicken legs, fatty pork etc.. I eat only lean chicken/turkey meats and I cook it in water which I don't consume so all that fat is gone in that water.. YOu eat 200g of turkey breast cooked in water it is like nothing. It digest insanely fast.. I eat white rice basmati, but I think it makes me constipated somewhat. I like brown rice more, but it is loaded with arsenic.. I do corn pasta and buckwheat(kasha). I would like to eat potatoes, but they are killing my joints and spine. If I eat potatoes for couple of days my hip joints and spine hurt like I am 90yo after car accident..
I agree about eveything you said about the balancing guys. I see that exactly like you said..
Btw when I crashed for a first time and I started to read on the internet. Hilarious when I think about it. FIrst thing I did was "candida spitting test" You spit into cup of water and you see what that saliva does. Mine was with candida obviously and I was like "oh my god I have candida I have to go to my family doctors so he can heal me" it was hilairous.. Anyways I eneded up on local forum where they were big on no carb/sugar diet for candida and they were also big on low protein so I eneded up eating like carrots and cucumbers. I lost all my muscles. I looked like stage 10 cancer+ HIV person. In that state I did 3 day water fast. I had no blood pressure. I was dead basically.. After that I started eating. EVERYTHING. All I did was going from shop to shop from fast food to fast food and I was eating. THe worst kind of foods you can imagine dairy, gluten, fried vegetable oils. I couldn't stop for like 3 weeks. I was nonstop eating like 10000 kcal a day. Once I gained some fat from it I was ok and could go back on meat starch diet lol.. So that was great experience as well. and that is how people get obese and damage their metabolism. Crash diet-crazy bing eating-getting more fat-repeat...

 

[RebelWithACause]

I put calcium citrate powder on my foods to get RDA for calcium. I can't do dairy apart from whey protein which is low in calcium.. I can't eat fatty meats like chicken legs, fatty pork etc.. I eat only lean chicken/turkey meats and I cook it in water which I don't consume so all that fat is gone in that water.. YOu eat 200g of turkey breast cooked in water it is like nothing. It digest insanely fast.. I eat white rice basmati, but I think it makes me constipated somewhat. I like brown rice more, but it is loaded with arsenic.. I do corn pasta and buckwheat(kasha). I would like to eat potatoes, but they are killing my joints and spine. If I eat potatoes for couple of days my hip joints and spine hurt like I am 90yo after car accident..
I agree about eveything you said about the balancing guys. I see that exactly like you said..
Btw when I crashed for a first time and I started to read on the internet. Hilarious when I think about it. FIrst thing I did was "candida spitting test" You spit into cup of water and you see what that saliva does. Mine was with candida obviously and I was like "oh my god I have candida I have to go to my family doctors so he can heal me" it was hilairous.. Anyways I eneded up on local forum where they were big on no carb/sugar diet for candida and they were also big on low protein so I eneded up eating like carrots and cucumbers. I lost all my muscles. I looked like stage 10 cancer+ HIV person. In that state I did 3 day water fast. I had no blood pressure. I was dead basically.. After that I started eating. EVERYTHING. All I did was going from shop to shop from fast food to fast food and I was eating. THe worst kind of foods you can imagine dairy, gluten, fried vegetable oils. I couldn't stop for like 3 weeks. I was nonstop eating like 10000 kcal a day. Once I gained some fat from it I was ok and could go back on meat starch diet lol.. So that was great experience as well. and that is how people get obese and damage their metabolism. Crash diet-crazy bing eating-getting more fat-repeat...

Metabolism is hard to figure out per person that's why as an example some people get extremely skinny on a sugar diet and others don't lose much and their metabolic rate lowers more. Even get fatter.

If you can't handle fat you probably a very slow oxidizer. Maybe lacking certain b vitamins or other stuff. But I know you have been doing it for a long time so I doubt you never took those. I am a slower oxidizer too I think I feel better on lower fat diets. But I did notice I needed fats on certain times in my health journey. It's not always clear cut I found. Especially long term. Sometimes the body craves certain nutrients. I could never force one type of diet long term.

Like some people eating carnivore/zero carb (just red meat and salt) would finish me off after a few years.

But same for very low fat diet would not do good for me long term.

 

[Yura]

I have issues with bile. So I am not digesting fats well.. Now I do sunflower lecithin with some olive oil. THe lecithin basically emulsifies the oil to smaller droplets so it is easier to digest. But I don't know if I even should consume any oils with my high Lp(a) and plaque buildup in veins. It is scary stuff. I felt the fatty buildup lumps in my leg veins for a long time. Now I have it in neck and I somewhat feel like I am not getting good blood flow into my head..

 

[RebelWithACause]

I have issues with bile. So I am not digesting fats well.. Now I do sunflower lecithin with some olive oil. THe lecithin basically emulsifies the oil to smaller droplets so it is easier to digest. But I don't know if I even should consume any oils with my high Lp(a) and plaque buildup in veins. It is scary stuff. I felt the fatty buildup lumps in my leg veins for a long time. Now I have it in neck and I somewhat feel like I am not getting good blood flow into my head..

Fat intake really depends, I digest fat quite well. Even though I do notice the slowing effect of it. Sometimes it can be nice you feel less stressed and slow down but if I do too much I feel flat and depressed. But that is mostly with added oils, butter, etc. If I eat fat meat it's always OK to an extent. But it still slows down metabolism. Just depends how active I am if I have a lot of stress more fat can keep things in check more I guess. But I still notice the lower energy production

Carbs/sugar give most energy for sure. It's a world of difference. But i like fat too, keeps things stable.

If you have fat build up in veins and cholestrol high then fasting can sometimes work right? But I know you don't like fasting.

 

[Yura]

I would love to fast. But I never had that energy Helen was talking about. If I don't eat my body slows down like crazy. Crazy fatigue. I can't function at all.. Maybe it's detox, but I don't think so. Simply my adrenals are in bad shape and they can't handle it..

 

[RebelWithACause]

I would love to fast. But I never had that energy Helen was talking about. If I don't eat my body slows down like crazy. Crazy fatigue. I can't function at all.. Maybe it's detox, but I don't think so. Simply my adrenals are in bad shape and they can't handle it..

I did feel tired on it and after i fasted 11 days for one time after that i could not break the 5 day like my body didn't want it slowed down no detox nothing. So maybe fasting is not good. Maybe just a slow oxidizer diet but you already do that so i wonder why you dont improve as that would increase your metabolism and i think it should use up fat and cholesterol in the veins right.

 

[Yura]

what should improve my metabolism? Fasting? I think that fasting for me just shuts down metabolism completely and I will get more toxic, more loaded with pathogens etc.. Even Helen said you have to speed up metabolism to detox. Like force exercise etc.. He could exercise and do fasting. Obviously his body was in much better shape than my was.. I tried keto high in cholesterol and saturated fat. I think that clogged my veins the most. I felt like my blood is crazy thick and I was like walking death.. I do best on low fat protein, complex carbs lower fat for sure. I just have to keep in mind this concept that they were talking about acidosis/alkalosis where you shouldn't eat too much carbs when you don't move your body and eat more carbs when you do move your body. It is crazy true. Every time I am at home doing nothing and eating too much carbs I feel like shit and if I force myself to go out on the bike and breath out all the CO2 I feel crazy better.. Most people mimic exercise with coffee. So they breath out more CO2 even while sitting on their ass.. Like Ray Peat people..

 

[RebelWithACause]

what should improve my metabolism? Fasting? I think that fasting for me just shuts down metabolism completely and I will get more toxic, more loaded with pathogens etc.. Even Helen said you have to speed up metabolism to detox. Like force exercise etc.. He could exercise and do fasting. Obviously his body was in much better shape than my was.. I tried keto high in cholesterol and saturated fat. I think that clogged my veins the most. I felt like my blood is crazy thick and I was like walking death.. I do best on low fat protein, complex carbs lower fat for sure. I just have to keep in mind this concept that they were talking about acidosis/alkalosis where you shouldn't eat too much carbs when you don't move your body and eat more carbs when you do move your body. It is crazy true. Every time I am at home doing nothing and eating too much carbs I feel like shit and if I force myself to go out on the bike and breath out all the CO2 I feel crazy better.. Most people mimic exercise with coffee. So they breath out more CO2 even while sitting on their ass.. Like Ray Peat people..

for sure I think Helen was decently healthy although I do believe he crashed very hard I can't imagine him being as bad as some people here.

What worked for me for a while was taking vitamin C, B vitamins (if you can handle active it might even be better but I preferred inactive), potassium, magnesium, calcium, lower carb (not zero), meat, pretty much what Helen recommended for slow oxidizers. I also took vitamin D. Make sure to not lower your calcium intake to too low I made that mistake and got issues. I was doing the above but without calcium. Which was wrong looking back. See what dosages make you feel good and then keep doing that for a while. I took pretty big dosages. Higher than TEI/ARL for sure. But depends on situation how much you can handle

Should also look at chromium, iodine, selenium, but again depends I sometimes went by feel. I didn't take high dosages of these. I also used zinc, manganese. Like the stereotypical slow oxidizer stuff.

ALA also helped sometimes. Sodiumthiosulfate low dosage - but was bad when I was low on calcium so depends. But eventually these things didn't do much good.

OMAD sometimes helped but I agree if you lack a lot of nutrients then it's useless. Better to eat 3 times a day.

Diet: meat, rice, vegetables. Eat enough calories esp. when taking higher dosages of B vitamins otherwise you'll feel really bad and it's not detox

I mean it's pretty much the electrolyte protocol/simple detox protocol basics that helped especially when i was really bad. Then after a while you might shift to different food. And specify your problem more. But this got me out of feeling like shit daily

 

[Yura]

I take basically all of that. But I don't do vit D. I mean it lowers potassium(thyroid) even more? I am trying to get some D from the sun. WHat I do is K2(mk7) that is a must for me I think. When I crashed from crazy high free copper it calcified my tissues 100%. That is defense mechanism of the body against crazy oxidative stress from metals like copper.. I did the same mistake as you. I just took a lot of magnesium mainly chloride on the skin and so i crashed my calcium probably.. Basically I from the time I stopped dairy after Peat I had hardly any calcium yeah big mistake.. I do B vitamins, selenium, iodine all the time. Now some chromium as well. Also some molybdenum, but I am not sure about that one since it can really strongly chelate copper from the blood.. I think I will use it only like 1/4 of 400mcg capsule 3 times a week and up the dose only if I know from blood test that my free copper is high.. vit C I make sodium ascorbate in the morning like 300-500mg. Zinc I dropped from 30 to 10-15mg a day and I wonder about manganese. I eat oats which is decent source of it. But if I up my zinc I will start to take some manganese as well.. Do you feel anything from manganese? ChatGPT says it can be eliminated mainly with bile which is a problem for me and manganese is known for toxicity. So I really don't want to play with it. I have to wait 2 months for my hair to grow back and after hair test I will take what they say.. I still don't know if TEI is much better than ARL? I would like to do ARL more since I have 2 tests from them already so I can compare.. But if they recommend copper and TEI is not and I don't need that extra copper.. I mean they recommended 90mg of zinc and 3mg of copper. Isn't that better to just take 30mg of zinc and only some copper from food? Why would I take so much metals as slow oxidizer? Makes no sense..

 

[RebelWithACause]

Manganese helped with zinc. Just made taking zinc more tolerable because zinc lowers Na/K. But some people might do better on just zinc if they already have high Na/K. I always had lower Na/K so for me manganese helped me while taking zinc. Taking it alone no

I agree it's probably better to just take zinc and not copper, copper is already in a lot of stuff. Best to eat the exact diet for your body chemistry and use smaller amounts of supps to nudge it further in the right direction.

 

[opiath]

If you want to get rid of copper toxicity, manganese and histidine are the most important things.
That HG7 protocol on raypeat forum is just insanity for chronically sick people/people with manganese def. or people with pfs.

Zinc pushes the copper out and improves your metabolic rate true but without the ability to excrete copper it will just make you sick.
Taking manganese allows zinc to work because it's antagonistic to it at multiple different places.
First it makes the lungs exhale less CO2 by modifying acetylcholine breakdown. This asks for zinc so more carbonic anhydrase can be made to buffer the CO2.
Second it actually inhibits steroid synthesis at 3beta hsd and zinc increases that so if the body cant handle the steroids it wont want the zinc.
Third it pushes 5AR and zinc is the natural 5AR inhibitor.
Fourth it secures mitochondrial SOD enzymes which allows for non-mitochondrial SODs to go up.
Fifth and most important is it shifts glucose into pentose phosphate pathway to generate more NAPDH.
NADPH is the actual holy grail of the human body. It makes cholesterol, makes hormones, makes bile, makes sperm, drives methylation and recycles antioxidants.
It took me many years to realise manganese drives transketolase because nobody usually talks about that.

Because of all the above if you have manganese def and you take it you will feel better but your metabolism will slow down until you refill on zinc.
When you have enough manganese and zinc, copper just begins to flow out but then the limiting factor becomes how you can bind it.
And the only way to really bind is histidine. Molybdenum,Vit.C is bullshit. They are not efficient binders for it. They can just bounce it around.
Histidine is the amino acid which is basically designed to bind metals.
If you look at all the enzymes and proteins which hold iron,copper,zinc,manganese like hemoglobin,carbonic anhydrase,SODs,ceruloplasmin you will see that histidine is what connects the metal to the rest of the protein.
If you take a lot of histidine and your bile flow is blocked copper just begins to go out through your skin and this is actually safe.
In copper toxicity bile doesn't flow because the copper is constantly antagonizing histamine and histamine is what provokes stomach secretions.
This is done on purpose by making b6 offline because it will waste your histidine which you need to get rid of copper.
Histidine base/hcl you can effectively take at up to 30grams per day and will not have any negatives. It will just bind a lot of copper and get rid of it through skin first and then when you are healthier it will start stimulating bile synthesis.

 

[Yura]

@opiath thx for the comment. Like I said for now I will not do anything stupid. Now my serum copper is very low and my bile is not online. So for now I am just taking with diet and supplements only RDA for all micros. WIll keep doing liver flushes and once I will have new hair test in ARL I will follow the program. Because I really don't know what is my manganese status for example. It was lower on hair test. But so was copper.. So I will start with supplements once ARL will recommend them. Or do you think TEI is much better now? Do you think it can hurt me if I really have liver full of copper and they will recommend like 2-3mg of copper or if I take like 70-90mg of zinc with it and like 20-30mg of manganese it will ofset any potential issues? O I am also not sure if I should keep taking that T4 that I started 30 days ago 50mcg.. My free T3 was always in the middle of the ref. range but my free T4 was always low like close to lowest number of ref. range and TSH always 5-10... Do you think it is possible to have TSH 10 from toxicity, imbalance, deficiency of elements or simply thyroid really can't produce enough? I do have history of elevated anti TPO and I do have some nodules on my thyroid. So maybe that T4 is more benefit than negative? I would never take T3 directly that could cause oxidative stress that my body can't handle that's for sure..

 

[Aleksandr]

@opiath thx for the comment. Like I said for now I will not do anything stupid. Now my serum copper is very low and my bile is not online. So for now I am just taking with diet and supplements only RDA for all micros. WIll keep doing liver flushes and once I will have new hair test in ARL I will follow the program.

IMO this is a very smart plan, TEI is also good. i've done my most recent one with ARL cos it seemed easier to get one with them.

 

[Yura]

I just watched some ARL vs TEI comparison and I think I will stay with ARL. It seems that their program is much more solid. The only advantage of TEI is that you see more elements.. But they also say that ARL program was not updated for very long time and they should change some things that are not ideal in their approach. So it would be ideal to have some practitioner who really understands hair testing, biochemistry and is progressive constantly trying to learn new stuff etc.. So I can just pay him and turn off my brain and just follow his advice. I am really tired of this constantly thinking what is going on in my body. What should I eat. What should I take etc.. But I don't know anyone like this and if I knew I think they have so many clients that they can't focus properly on each case and so they don't know more than I do about myself I think... I would have to pay him to be with me and to work only on me. Btw that is exactly what I would do if I had all the money I need. I would find Helen and guys like that and they would be working in the office on my case somewhere and every night we would go eat dinner and they would give me new info hehe...

 

[Fazed22]

I just watched some ARL vs TEI comparison and I think I will stay with ARL. It seems that their program is much more solid. The only advantage of TEI is that you see more elements.. But they also say that ARL program was not updated for very long time and they should change some things that are not ideal in their approach. So it would be ideal to have some practitioner who really understands hair testing, biochemistry and is progressive constantly trying to learn new stuff etc.. So I can just pay him and turn off my brain and just follow his advice. I am really tired of this constantly thinking what is going on in my body. What should I eat. What should I take etc.. But I don't know anyone like this and if I knew I think they have so many clients that they can't focus properly on each case and so they don't know more than I do about myself I think... I would have to pay him to be with me and to work only on me. Btw that is exactly what I would do if I had all the money I need. I would find Helen and guys like that and they would be working in the office on my case somewhere and every night we would go eat dinner and they would give me new info hehe...

ARL I found their supplements shitty and bad quality. The consensus on here was TEI worked a lot better for people than ARL

 

[Yura]

I would just look at how much of each thing they recommend and buy my own supplements..