HG7 made my stools dark, but I think there are some people with low copper availability who need way less molybdenum than he suggests.
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I don't think there's any point in taking zinc until you've chelated enough iron because high iron just blocks your zinc from working properly.@Fazed22 I avoided red meat for the last couple of months I also did some bloodletting myself. Still had the worst constipation ever. In my case it is related to thyroid function. Was on T4 which did nothing just lowered my free T3 and probably sky rocked reverse T3. So now I am probably at the worst sport where I no longer take any T4 and my own production is probably just kicking in + reverse T3 got higher so I understand why would I have that constipation now..
With HG7 I think I will try it at some point. But for now I don't think it is a good idea when my bile flow is working at all. It would put insane pressure on the liver and especially kidneys..
I will continue no red meat diet and take some zinc for now..
Doing my own version of hg7 got my hormones and zinc working a lot better, I get so much respect from people now and I have this "glow"effect aura when my zinc is working properly (if you don't feel this from zinc then your zinc isn't working properly and is being blocked by iron) , I also really start producing strong pheromones that people are attracted to. Where as before doing the hg7 stuff I was producing the wrong pheremones which repelled people from me and that was from having too much iron and copper.
@Fazed22 I have some apolactoferrin left here. I will try it with combination of zinc, molybdenum and Bs and extra biotin I take anyways. I think I would rather keep heme iron intake low and here and there do some bloodletting and take apolactoferrin that can bind any free iron floating around. I don't like the idea of green tea extract. It has so many compounds in it and people react to it differently not to mention we know for sure when you take that EGCG with the zinc it will bind to decent amount of that zinc. That doesn't happen with apolactoferrin and with apolactoferrin it is not some wild plant complex that is causing toxicity in one person and not in another. It is simply predictable. I know APOlactoferrin works because last time I was taking too much I was walking death from anemia it induced..
Apolactoferrin is completely different to EGCG. Apolactoferrin makes me iron deficient in the blood and my copper levels raise so its not good for my hormones and it doesn't chelate iron from the tissues for me.@Fazed22 I have some apolactoferrin left here. I will try it with combination of zinc, molybdenum and Bs and extra biotin I take anyways. I think I would rather keep heme iron intake low and here and there do some bloodletting and take apolactoferrin that can bind any free iron floating around. I don't like the idea of green tea extract. It has so many compounds in it and people react to it differently not to mention we know for sure when you take that EGCG with the zinc it will bind to decent amount of that zinc. That doesn't happen with apolactoferrin and with apolactoferrin it is not some wild plant complex that is causing toxicity in one person and not in another. It is simply predictable. I know APOlactoferrin works because last time I was taking too much I was walking death from anemia it induced..
Where as EGCG is chelating excess iron from the tissues and making the iron bioavailable.
So the apolactoferrin is only good for me once I've chelated enough iron with egcg and go high iron in the blood, that's when i need the lactoferrin.
If you are just taking lactoferrin on its own then you need Vit C, Zinc and a lil bit of moly with it, but I think the EGCG hg7 method is a lot more effective and works a lot differently.
No by chelating iron with egcg you make it bioavailable but you are also getting rid of it by taking the other stuff. Apolactoferrin just makes you iron deficient straight out, its not chelating iron I've used it, what it does is starve pathogens of iron and lowers blood levels of iron.@Fazed22 "Apolactoferrin makes me iron deficient in the blood and my copper levels raise" isn't that what HG7 tries to do? It rises copper and you take molybdenum to take care of that high copper..
Btw I am not sure if you know the difference between lactoferrin and APOlactoferrin.
Yes I do know the difference... I have apolactoferrin.
I don't need to show you papers, it clearly chelates iron for me and the other people doing HG7 if you don't want to believe me or them thats fine.@Fazed22 I didn't so any evidence that EGCG can chelate iron out from the body. I only saw that it can block absorption from the intestine. Not once the iron is already in the body. Feel free to show me any papers that say what you are saying..
Also it doesn't chelate it out the body, it chelates from the tissues and makes it available in the blood. You need the other stuff to get it out the body@Fazed22 I didn't so any evidence that EGCG can chelate iron out from the body. I only saw that it can block absorption from the intestine. Not once the iron is already in the body. Feel free to show me any papers that say what you are saying..
what? Like what other stuff? Bleeding? I agree with that 100%. But do you realize that that is not what the author of the protocol believes?Also it doesn't chelate it out the body, it chelates from the tissues and makes it available in the blood. You need the other stuff to get it out the body
Btw apolactoferrin works exactly the same. It makes ferritin go up. You just feel anemic if you take to much and it lowers available iron for your body. But over time that iron gets delivered safely to ferritin as well..
EGCG and apolactoferrin do have diffrent effects and it seems that combination is the best. But EGCG lowers iron in the body overal only by blocking absorption in the gut.
Exactly the same case as we can see in zinc and copper. Once copper is in the body zinc can't do shit. It only prevents absorption in the gut..
Like I have huge respect for the creator of that protocol and I it works lowering toxic metals. But the mechanism nobody knows exactly. Ony he thinks how it works based on feel..
Or I am wrong and even the author of the protocol says that EGCG can't chelate iron from the tissues out of the body?
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No for getting iron out he recommends egcg with molybdenum that can work when you are high iron.what? Like what other stuff? Bleeding? I agree with that 100%. But do you realize that that is not what the author of the protocol believes?
Btw apolactoferrin works exactly the same. It makes ferritin go up. You just feel anemic if you take to much and it lowers available iron for your body. But over time that iron gets delivered safely to ferritin as well..
EGCG and apolactoferrin do have diffrent effects and it seems that combination is the best. But EGCG lowers iron in the body overal only by blocking absorption in the gut.
Exactly the same case as we can see in zinc and copper. Once copper is in the body zinc can't do shit. It only prevents absorption in the gut..
Like I have huge respect for the creator of that protocol and I it works lowering toxic metals. But the mechanism nobody knows exactly. Ony he thinks how it works based on feel..
Or I am wrong and even the author of the protocol says that EGCG can't chelate iron from the tissues out of the body?
Or I've found when I've had the high iron headaches from egcg and zinc pushing out iron thats when apolactoferrin has been helpful for me, but it is completely useless if you haven't chelated iron already from the tissues or liver. Drinking coffee, milk/ calcium , vit e, ip6 I've all found helpful when my iron went high from the iron getting released from the liver/tissues on hg7.
Apolactoferrin is only good when you have high free iron and the same thing with IP6, if the iron is stuck in your liver/tissues unbioavailable, like it is for a lot of people, then taking either of those are useless.
Also that is nonsense about them working exactly the same they are not, lets say if I were to take apolactoferrin normally, without chelating any iron previously, you know what it does it makes me high copper, estrogenic and beta those are not symptoms of high ferritin lol. EGCG is completely different you can feel Androgens and dopamine, it can make you feel jittery or anxious (from iron going high), you can also feel oxidative stress from it releasing iron from the liver if you've taken enough.
Sorry but I've used both apolactofferin and egcg where as you haven't, yet you seem to think you know better about what its doing. Also bruschi and my other friend we've all used apolactoferrin and spoken about what it's doing, the consesus was apolactoferrin makes you gay (not my words lol).
@Fazed22 "No for getting iron out he recommends egcg with molybdenum that can work when you are high iron."
interesting so molybdenum can chelate iron from tissues/blood out of the body..? The thing is there is ZERO evidence for that anywhere only one guy thinks that.
I am not saying you don't feel symptoms that could be from high iron in the blood. But how do you know that when you stop those symptoms with something you just don't put that iron back to tissues or you just bind it with something again.. Over time the iron content of the body will go down. When you take so much EGCG and zinc which are both iron antagonists. Makes sense. But you simply can't say egcg or molybdenum or whatever in HG7 chelates iron out of the body. Molybdenum can chelate copper from the body for sure. But with copper it is completely diffrent story as it can be simply eliminated with urine or bile, but that is really not the case for iron. If it was there would be plenty of data on that already..
interesting so molybdenum can chelate iron from tissues/blood out of the body..? The thing is there is ZERO evidence for that anywhere only one guy thinks that.
I am not saying you don't feel symptoms that could be from high iron in the blood. But how do you know that when you stop those symptoms with something you just don't put that iron back to tissues or you just bind it with something again.. Over time the iron content of the body will go down. When you take so much EGCG and zinc which are both iron antagonists. Makes sense. But you simply can't say egcg or molybdenum or whatever in HG7 chelates iron out of the body. Molybdenum can chelate copper from the body for sure. But with copper it is completely diffrent story as it can be simply eliminated with urine or bile, but that is really not the case for iron. If it was there would be plenty of data on that already..
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He has an explanation for it somewhere (I can't find) but molybdenum with egcg is his calibration for high iron that can't excrete and it works like a charm, it works completely differently to taking both of them individually The molybdenum might be because theres copper to remove too when you chelate iron.@Fazed22 "No for getting iron out he recommends egcg with molybdenum that can work when you are high iron."
interesting so molybdenum can chelate iron from tissues/blood out of the body..? The thing is there is ZERO evidence for that anywhere only one guy thinks that.
I am not saying you don't feel symptoms that could be from high iron in the blood. But how do you know that when you stop those symptoms with something you just don't put that iron back to tissues or you just bind it with something again.. Over time the iron content of the body will go down. When you take so much EGCG and zinc which are both iron antagonists. Makes sense. But you simply can't say egcg or molybdenum or whatever in HG7 chelates iron out of the body. Molybdenum can chelate copper from the body for sure. But with copper it is completely diffrent story as it can be simply eliminated with urine or bile, but that is really not the case for iron. If it was there would be plenty of data on that already..
" 3. Extreme Cold/Hot hands/feet, Nausea, sinus headache, sweaty (not always smelly) armpits, hair thinning and oily, headache (not migraine), gassy, right/left side pain, yellow eyes, dark circles under eyes, insomnia, widening of the lining of the mouth, itchy scalp (especially in the crown area)±, feeling full and bloated in the stomach, shaky hands, endless acidic diarrhea that zinc doesnt help, constipation - You have too much iron that can't excrete, take 600mg of EGCG, and 1mg of Molybdenum."
Basically the higher iron I go my hair will go dark, I will look older, if I go into a high copper state my hair goes a light blonde colour and I look younger.
Anyway when I first tried his protocol in march or something I couldn't really get it to work properly, I'd feel less confident and no motivation but that could have just been from the released iron and copper not getting removed properly so that would cause symptoms when they are floating around in my system. I also think I have way more iron than I do copper or the copper is harder to access, so what can happen is you dump iron and any pathogens/ bad microbes you have suddenly get fed and if you are low copper then you also lose the protection against these bacteria.
So in September I had been playing around with vit C and gradually taking more and more, so it was slowly building up my iron and thats when I needed the combo of egcg and molybdenum and it would remove the iron I had built up and then I would need b6 and biotin as egcg and molybdenum depletes them both. Then I would have some free space for zinc and my zinc would push out more iron but from doing this my androgens and hormones are working a lot better, I've also been using a lot of b5 too. I use all the 7 things from hg7 but I don't take them all at once and I have learnt how to use them when my body needs them.
Basically like the Heisenberg guy says the more EGCG and Zinc you take* the faster you progress it's very true.
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@Fazed22 SO you don't take it everything at once? I simply hope that over time someone will create more refined protocol that will make more sense to me. I simply don't like that idea take bunch of pills and wait what will happen and after that starting taking more and more pills to calibrate some symptoms. like when I see how completely insane amounts of stuff people are able to take I am just like WTF... Like I fucked myself up with so many stupid things I did and for now it looks like this would be another one. But now I can't afford to just fuck myself up again because my health is much worse. SO for someone is taking too much of something headache or nausea for me it could be stroke or blood clot of whatever.. So I have to be much more careful.. If I don't get better I will end up doing it anyway, Just much smaller dose like 20% or original dose max..
Correct I don't. I do my own version of it, so the Heisneberg guy said I'm not doing hg7 because I don't take all the things together at once lol.. Which is fine if he wants to say that as I had a lot more success doing it my own way. But I am strongly intuitive on what nutrients my body needs at any time so that's why this works for me, the other people doing hg7 will have to do a taste test to see if they need a certain nutrient, I have my own version of the taste test built into my bodies intuition so I don't need to do the actual taste test ever.@Fazed22 SO you don't take it everything at once? I simply hope that over time someone will create more refined protocol that will make more sense to me. I simply don't like that idea take bunch of pills and wait what will happen and after that starting taking more and more pills to calibrate some symptoms. like when I see how completely insane amounts of stuff people are able to take I am just like WTF... Like I fucked myself up with so many stupid things I did and for now it looks like this would be another one. But now I can't afford to just fuck myself up again because my health is much worse. SO for someone is taking too much of something headache or nausea for me it could be stroke or blood clot of whatever.. So I have to be much more careful.. If I don't get better I will end up doing it anyway, Just much smaller dose like 20% or original dose max..
And I agree that is my main criticism of his protocol the doses are way too high for certain people and this won't work for them and can cause them issues. I have spoken to around.4 people doing the hg7 and they all got on better with lower doses intuitively.
Also I use the Now brand of EGCG not the life extension one, he says to people don't use the Now one becausr apparently its 3x weaker but the life extension one I think did cause issues with my A metabolism and the Now one doesn't. I think the life extension one might be way higher in polyphenols and antioxidants which would mess with A metabolism.
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@Fazed22 well that's why I don't like those plant extracts because there is so many chemical in it with all kinds of different effects on the body. I think just learning about essential minerals, vitamins and their different forms etc. is complex enough even without introducing some plant complexes.. I would like to try that zinc from Valence Zinc Matrix Pro - Valence Nutraceuticals
I can imagine that it works completely different than just taking one form all the time..
I can imagine that it works completely different than just taking one form all the time..
Yeah I don't like herbs or plant extracts either but the EGCG I use is good as an iron chelator. I think hg7 is doing something a lot more helpful than just taking minerals and vitamins on a different routine or doing TEI.@Fazed22 well that's why I don't like those plant extracts because there is so many chemical in it with all kinds of different effects on the body. I think just learning about essential minerals, vitamins and their different forms etc. is complex enough even without introducing some plant complexes.. I would like to try that zinc from Valence Zinc Matrix Pro - Valence Nutraceuticals
I can imagine that it works completely different than just taking one form all the time..
And don't waste your money on the valence zinc I used it and found it crap, I way prefer zinc gluconate, or zinc glycinate or zinc caps from life extension.
The only Valence supplement I found really good was NA/k up which is bioabvaiable copper but thats only needed if your na/k ratio drops.
@Fazed22 what is maybe the most interesting to me in HG7 protocol are the biotin megadoses. Especially when it looks like megadoses like that don't potentially deplete just B5 or b6, but the other Bs like B2,B3, probably B1 as well and even minerals like magnesium etc.. Like from diet you can't ingest more than lets say 500mcg and you guys take doses in grams lol.. Have you saw some big changes in your tissus like hair, skin, nails?
Anyways I still think that hg7 is far from complete when you take megadoses of just 6 essential micronutrients and I think that even if the creator of that protocol who does it for 3 years now is not balanced. It just his body is able to adapt. The question is for how long his body can keep doing it.. Like he thinks that he can smoke, eat junk etc.. because his protocol will balance it lol. He is young kid. Now if he will do great 10 years down the road I will admit holy fuck he was right hehe.. But for now even people who do extreme diets like vegan, carnivore etc. do ok first couple of years. But once the body can't no longer balance itself issues arrive..
Anyways I still think that hg7 is far from complete when you take megadoses of just 6 essential micronutrients and I think that even if the creator of that protocol who does it for 3 years now is not balanced. It just his body is able to adapt. The question is for how long his body can keep doing it.. Like he thinks that he can smoke, eat junk etc.. because his protocol will balance it lol. He is young kid. Now if he will do great 10 years down the road I will admit holy fuck he was right hehe.. But for now even people who do extreme diets like vegan, carnivore etc. do ok first couple of years. But once the body can't no longer balance itself issues arrive..
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Thats another issue I have with his protocol, he used to always say when someone had an issue on his protocol, that taking more biotin was the answer which wasn't right a lot of the time. How much biotin a person needs is dependent on their biochemistry, he doesn't understand that at all though..@Fazed22 what is maybe the most interesting to me in HG7 protocol are the biotin megadoses. Especially when it looks like megadoses like that don't potentially deplete just B5 or b6, but the other Bs like B2,B3, probably B1 as well and even minerals like magnesium etc.. Like from diet you can't ingest more than lets say 500mcg and you guys take doses in grams lol.. Have you saw some big changes in your tissus like hair, skin, nails?
Anyways I still think that hg7 is far from complete when you take megadoses of just 6 essential micronutrients and I think that even if the creator of that protocol who does it for 3 years now is not balanced. It just his body is able to adapt. The question is for how long his body can keep doing it.. Like he thinks that he can smoke, eat junk etc.. because his protocol will balance it lol. He is young kid. Now if he will do great 10 years down the road I will admit holy fuck he was right hehe.. But for now even people who do extreme diets like vegan, carnivore etc. do ok first couple of years. But once the body can't no longer balance itself issues arrive..
For me I never needed more than 100mg of biotin (usually I needed 10-60mg) , and going over that never did anything beneficial. Now he's suggesting 2500mg biotin per dose....
If you have candida or fungi inside of you biotin feeds it like crazy, so that's why the huge doses of biotin is not a good idea for some people but he doesn't understand that at all. I think when I did try something like 200-250mg of biotin I became intolerant to carbs and that was probably from biotin feeding candida/fungi.
The reason why biotin works on hg7 is because it makes copper available, bruschi told me biotin = NAD= Cu1 to Cu2. But I think in my case I was just releasing a bunch of iron and not much copper, so when you don't have much copper you don't really need as much biotin.
The issue with the Heisenberg guy is that he mostly bases everything for the standard dose amounts around how the HG7 affects himself.
Actually edit: He's suggesting 2500mg of biotin per dose not 1500mg...
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@Fazed22 yeah I don't know about B vitamin megadosing. I always struggled with it. Never figured out how much of witch.. I think once I run out of everything I have here like benfotiamin 250mg etc. I will just take B complex that has around 100-200% of RDA for all Bs and that's it. I don't want to take mega doses for drug like effect if I don't know exactly what it does.. Did you saw any positive changes on your body outside of mental stuff like better skin, hair etc.. from taking HG7?