ZINC FINGER THEORY DISCUSSION for PFS - 2 cases

JonnyCraig

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Has anyone tried just replicate the USSR study yet? How did you even find that study Mr G :cool:?

Hisitidine
Lysine
Arginine
Potassium chloride

I feel like many from rpf were conditioned to avoid Arginine.. (supposed NO booster)
 

jacknap

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Yes. my Temps went up high, I noted this in another thread, BUT... I also took ephedrine HCL... so... can't say which it was. :(

u get sides from RU58841? that's the shit that put me into a pfs like state. just one time dose my body roller coasted for a month and then crashed lol. Not sure if it's PFS or just a crash in T and just need a super long PCT (which is what cdnuts protocol basically is)
 

JonnyCraig

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u get sides from RU58841? that's the **** that put me into a pfs like state. just one time dose my body roller coasted for a month and then crashed lol. Not sure if it's PFS or just a crash in T and just need a super long PCT (which is what cdnuts protocol basically is)

Yes... I basically had a headaches all day on it. Had chest pains for first few days, that went away. I think it messed me up too.

I was on it Oct 2015 to Jan 2016. Bloods done on July 16, 2016, and I had low T, and low free T, etc.

It's quite possible it made me crash too but I'm just too blind and arrogant to believe it.

The more I start thinking about it and connecting the dots... it is possible.
 

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No to all 3

Aspartic acid and serine are impossible to find. From reading about it, there isn’t much of a difference in the two serine’s. L-aspartic acid is quite the opposite from D-aspertic acid, but the aspartic acid form is unavailable from where I live.
 

Aleksandr

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On a slightly different tangent;

I have done scalp massages for over 12 months now. 20 minutes nearly every day. It completely stopped shedding but i dont think theres been regrowth (or not as much as id like).

I noticed my hairline was receeding and i had scalp itch so i did the massages, and found that indeed the scalp on top of my head was much less pliable than the sides of my head. about 6 mobths in scalp itch completely stopped. However it felt like especially after exercise my scalp would start calcifying again (but also just in general, exercise just sped it up). To clarify, duribg the pressing part of the massage i could hear the calcium crackling under my knuckles. So while i was breaking up the calcification with massages, it would recalcify.

The underlying cause wasnt dealt with. I think this is why no regrowth.

Then along came a young Russian man by the name of Gbolduev with very interesting theories. Also known as Papi Gbold, He turned me onto hair testing, and there i discovered i had a really whacky calcium to magnesium ratio. My magnesium was very low


The description of this ratio "if high calcium relative to magnesium the body will have trouble putting the calcium where it needs to go and calcify soft tissue insteas". Something like that.

Well, damn. That explains it. Now, the adrenals determine the magnesium status in the cell the most i believe. The adrenal ratio is magnesium to sodium. My adrenal ratio was waaaay out of whack. Low magnesium and mega high sodium.

Through the use of various supplements to normalise my ratios with a focus on adrenal function, the crackling of my scalp during massage is probably 5% as much as it used to be prior to starting these supplements. Theres no difference between exercisng or not. Barely a crackle. I imagine before the stress of exercising would use up what little magnesium i had. But now i imagine since my overactive adrenals are more normalised and my sodium is thus down, i must have much greater magnesium stores to draw on.

I think we're onto something here.

What i want to emphasize is that every one is unique. You hear gbold talking about oxidation rate mostly. Everything ive done for oxidation rate that gbolduev has recommended has been useless. Why? Well, i speculate because my nervous system balance ratio (calcium to phosphorus) was perfect, while my adrenals are a wreck.

I strongly suggest hair testing before anythi g else. I see gbolds general recommendations mostly helping those with nervous system imbalances. Its not his fault because he's recommending GENERAL things while we're all very individual.
 
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Canari

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Exactly.
What i want to emphasize is that every one is unique. You hear gbold talking about oxidation rate mostly. Everything ive done for oxidation rate that gbolduev has recommended has been useless. Its not his fault because he's recommending GENERAL things while we're all very individuaI.

fast or slow are the first 2 branches, and they divide more and more, and we are a leaf. Still from 1 of the 2 branches... what are the secondary branches between the main one and us ? We need to know them better.

i speculate my nervous system balance ratio (calcium to phosphorus) was perfect, while my adrenals are a wreck. I see gbolds general recommendations mostly helping those with nervous system imbalances.
...and who has none?
I do not think what you did was useless, but not enough.
 

Orion

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I have done scalp massages for over 12 months now. 20 minutes nearly every day. It completely stopped shedding but i dont think theres been regrowth (or not as much as id like).

I have done the full 20mins in morning and 20mins at night for the full 10months as suggested by the scalp massage protocol, got the similar results as you, but shedding did continue and no regrowth. I did this 2 years ago, before I went full Peatard and Papi Gbolduev showed up, so I don't think my metabolism or minerals/aminos were at all in the healthy ranges...
 

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@m_arch


Sorry, but it is not the way it works.


You go on carbs only diet for 2 months. You will have high sodium, low magnesium, low potassium, high calcium. This is the body telling you it is trying to ventilate faster. In this case it is totally useless to look at the ratios. And it is totally useless in this case to try to fix sodium magnesium ratio and especially lower adrenaline output. This is an example

If you go to Gbolduev Q and A you will see that the only thing I was talking about was ADRENALINE vs serotonin ratio. That is my oxidation types. And that is exactly the ratios of sodium magnesium, and potassium calcium balance.

Eck and Watts parted their ways, since they could not figure out potassium. this happened because they could not figure out cortisol sensitivity issue. And IMO both companys programs are wrong now because of this issue and their take on hairtests is wrong also.





And that is exactly why by giving you minerals the ratios on hairtests on their programs just go back and forth and nothing is really getting balanced.

I have been on the program myself. plus I have tons of people who are on the program for more than 6 years. trust me, they are not fixed. Got much older looking with congested livers and hairloss and grey hair.


Look at Larry Wilson. who is on the program for 30 years. Just look at his picture. this is what you will get by balancing or fighting wrongly what the body is doing.


Look at how you look after 30 years of the mineral balancing approach. It is ridiculous really. And hair is gone.

https://hackstasis.com/forums/-/list

@m_arch I like that you are trying to get it figured out from the hairtests etc. but trust me I know hairtests in and out, and all ARL and TE programs and approaches and tested all this for years. Be careful with this. The main problem is potassium regulation mistake in those programs. after that mistake everything just falls apart. Thus after years of seeing people on these programs and I am a practitioner to both ARL and TE, I don't rec people to be on those programs. I only would understand being on any program like that, if it really could balance your ratios. I HAVE NEVER SEEN BALANCED HAIRTEST On those programs. If you showed me a hairtest that would have perfect ratios and values on it, I would admit that it is good approach

As I mentioned before that I would rec ARL and TE for a very short time in critical cases, just for a chance to adjust the PH.

I am an adapt in overmineralization theory of aging. This is why I rec fasting. amino acids. etc. Not taking multivitamins. and hairtests are just for the purpose to see your oxidation rate so you can eat accordingly.

Oxidation rate is adrenaline to serotonin ratio. Which is sodium magnesium AND calcium potassium ratio.. Traceelements have it wrong with this phosphorus to calcium oxidation type. Which I dont even look at . it shows compensation of the acid base primary imbalance. I agree here more with ARL type oxidation measurement., they dont look at calcium phosphorus ratio. they look at sodium to magnesium, plus calcium to potassium, and that makes your oxidation rate which is correct. I have no idea why people look at Traceelements oxidations types. They are simply wrong.

March if you want to get closer to understanding this, test hairtests and ABGS and VBGs at the same time. After that you will understand that fixing ratios on hairtests is useless. And that minerals are not the structure of the enzymes controling all of this. the mutations are mostly in amino acids parts of the enzymes, and not mineral deficiencies.

this is why TE and ARL programs simply don't work and make you older, since they mostly concentrate on minerals and some vitamins.( a few) They did not have proper interactions since the programs were made 40 years ago.

So one more time be careful with putting minerals into your body using their recs. It does move the one ratio in the needed direction, but it screws up other things, since that minerals that they are using to move the ratio is not needed and the mutation is in the amino acid part of the enzyme.

This is why they make up all those excuses for a not balanced hairtest. I think if the program is correct, it should balance you into perfect oxidation rate within a month. may be even 2 weeks. and then when you test hair. You should have ideal perfect 4 electrolytes at least. NEVER EVER SEEN on their programs.

People take their program for 2 years, and stay in 4 lows. Or take their program for 2 years and stay in very slow oxidation. ARL tells you that you are rebuilding , but you are getting worse and worse. your liver is just full of not needed minerals , since there are no needed aminos to even bind them

But when you take the program you feel a little better, that is since you force the enzyme using the minerals and once this mineral is constantly very high in your blood, this enzyme goes a little faster, but in 2 years it will slowly just die from congested liver

This is why animals when sick dont eat. they fast


When I started taking the program ARL kept telling me that I am really low on zinc. and that zinc zinc zinc zinc I need. both companies just bombarded me with zinc. And I had terrible anemia from it. my skin had grey color. I stayed on their balancing the ratios for almost a year. then I compared picture from before and after and if was ridiculous . Then I went and tested my urine mineral levels and rbc. my zinc levels were 5 times higher than norm in the urine. My insulin was just zero I had shortness of breath. Same I got from progesterone.

I was very confused and I quit the program right away. It was harming me obivously. I could not understand why was I losing all this zinc, and feeding zinc was making it worse and worse. It was some kind of regulation. And those companies were trying to balance my ratios. and just made it worse and worse.

Then I understood, that it was a balance between two enzymes, IDE enzyme which breaks down insulin, and insulin creating enzyme . These enzymes had zinc in it. So everytime, I would feed zinc, my insulin would crash. I was wondering what the hell was going on . Zinc for some reason was raising IDE enzyme , but did not increase production of the actual insulin. ARL and TE was trying to increase my insulin levels with zinc since that is the interaction they got.

Only when I fed copper with histidine, insulin went up. , because histidine wont go up without copper, and histidine is needed for insulin. SO by feeding copper histidine , I increased my insulin and decreased my IDE enzyme. Boom it was fixed just like that. And zinc levels and b6 levels went up on their own.

And I thought I had pyroluria LOL

It is almost impossible to run low on major electrolytes like magnesium calcium potassium sodium. This only happens if you have some amino imbalance. Since your liver is full of minerals usually. That is why you eat beef liver. Only amino acid imbalance can prevent your body from restoring the balance.
 
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MNK99

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@gbolduev Are capsule forms of Histidine HCL and Cysteine OK?
I did not find a Canadian supplier, until I already had ordered... Just wondering, thanks.
Also I assume this isn't ok --
Jarrow Formulas, L-Carnosine, Beta-Alanyl-L-Histidine, 500 mg, 90 Capsules

https://hackstasis.com/forums/-/list
 
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JonnyCraig

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@gbolduev with a BEAST of a post :eek:

@MNK99 - Bulksupplements.com and Purebulk.com deliver to Canada and have L-Histidine, L-Cysteine. Even L-Alanine. From what I've seen, even with the exchange rate, ordering from these companies = you will save money.

Which Canadian company has Histidine/Cysteine?

I wouldn't bother with using L-Carnosine over pure L-Histidine, but that's just me. I know others are doing that..
 

Canari

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4 major electrolytes, sodium potassium calcium magnesium
Isn't it 5 with Phosphorus?

@gbolduev I seem to have the reverse of what you had, because I have low copper and not low zinc. (my blood ratio of zinc to copper is inversely to hair ratio....)
So, when they tell me I have low copper, should I believe them or not, to take copper?
If I follow your logic, I should not take copper!

As this ratio is linked to progesterone, also, I had ZERO apparent reaction to taking progest-e.

I always have glucose at the highest of the norm, since childhood, and was told by iridologist I have a sluggish pancreas.
I don't know if I have insuline but it is resistant, as my blood sugar stays high longer than most people.

Also strange, my iron is at the highest of the norm, when copper is at the minimum of the norm! And they said NOTHING about this?!!
With what you say, I don't know how to use my hair test....
 

Aleksandr

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@m_arch


Sorry, but it is not the way it works.


You go on carbs only diet for 2 months. You will have high sodium, low magnesium, low potassium, high calcium. This is the body telling you it is trying to ventilate faster. In this case it is totally useless to look at the ratios. And it is totally useless in this case to try to fix sodium magnesium ratio and especially lower adrenaline output. This is an example

If you go to Gbolduev Q and A you will see that the only thing I was talking about was ADRENALINE vs serotonin ratio. That is my oxidation types. And that is exactly the ratios of sodium magnesium, and potassium calcium balance.

Eck and Watts parted their ways, since they could not figure out potassium. this happened because they could not figure out cortisol sensitivity issue. And IMO both companys programs are wrong now because of this issue and their take on hairtests is wrong also.





And that is exactly why by giving you minerals the ratios on hairtests on their programs just go back and forth and nothing is really getting balanced.

I have been on the program myself. plus I have tons of people who are on the program for more than 6 years. trust me, they are not fixed. Got much older looking with congested livers and hairloss and grey hair.


Look at Larry Wilson. who is on the program for 30 years. Just look at his picture. this is what you will get by balancing or fighting wrongly what the body is doing.


Look at how you look after 30 years of the mineral balancing approach. It is ridiculous really. And hair is gone.

https://hackstasis.com/forums/-/list

@m_arch I like that you are trying to get it figured out from the hairtests etc. but trust me I know hairtests in and out, and all ARL and TE programs and approaches and tested all this for years. Be careful with this. The main problem is potassium regulation mistake in those programs. after that mistake everything just falls apart. Thus after years of seeing people on these programs and I am a practitioner to both ARL and TE, I don't rec people to be on those programs. I only would understand being on any program like that, if it really could balance your ratios. I HAVE NEVER SEEN BALANCED HAIRTEST On those programs. If you showed me a hairtest that would have perfect ratios and values on it, I would admit that it is good approach

As I mentioned before that I would rec ARL and TE for a very short time in critical cases, just for a chance to adjust the PH.

I am an adapt in overmineralization theory of aging. This is why I rec fasting. amino acids. etc. Not taking multivitamins. and hairtests are just for the purpose to see your oxidation rate so you can eat accordingly.

Oxidation rate is adrenaline to serotonin ratio. Which is sodium magnesium AND calcium potassium ratio.. Traceelements have it wrong with this phosphorus to calcium oxidation type. Which I dont even look at . it shows compensation of the acid base primary imbalance. I agree here more with ARL type oxidation measurement., they dont look at calcium phosphorus ratio. they look at sodium to magnesium, plus calcium to potassium, and that makes your oxidation rate which is correct. I have no idea why people look at Traceelements oxidations types. They are simply wrong.

March if you want to get closer to understanding this, test hairtests and ABGS and VBGs at the same time. After that you will understand that fixing ratios on hairtests is useless. And that minerals are not the structure of the enzymes controling all of this. the mutations are mostly in amino acids parts of the enzymes, and not mineral deficiencies.

this is why TE and ARL programs simply don't work and make you older, since they mostly concentrate on minerals and some vitamins.( a few) They did not have proper interactions since the programs were made 40 years ago.

So one more time be careful with putting minerals into your body using their recs. It does move the one ratio in the needed direction, but it screws up other things, since that minerals that they are using to move the ratio is not needed and the mutation is in the amino acid part of the enzyme.

This is why they make up all those excuses for a not balanced hairtest. I think if the program is correct, it should balance you into perfect oxidation rate within a month. may be even 2 weeks. and then when you test hair. You should have ideal perfect 4 electrolytes at least. NEVER EVER SEEN on their programs.

People take their program for 2 years, and stay in 4 lows. Or take their program for 2 years and stay in very slow oxidation. ARL tells you that you are rebuilding , but you are getting worse and worse. your liver is just full of not needed minerals , since there are no needed aminos to even bind them

But when you take the program you feel a little better, that is since you force the enzyme using the minerals and once this mineral is constantly very high in your blood, this enzyme goes a little faster, but in 2 years it will slowly just die from congested liver

This is why animals when sick dont eat. they fast


When I started taking the program ARL kept telling me that I am really low on zinc. and that zinc zinc zinc zinc I need. both companies just bombarded me with zinc. And I had terrible anemia from it. my skin had grey color. I stayed on their balancing the ratios for almost a year. then I compared picture from before and after and if was ridiculous . Then I went and tested my urine mineral levels and rbc. my zinc levels were 5 times higher than norm in the urine. My insulin was just zero I had shortness of breath. Same I got from progesterone.

I was very confused and I quit the program right away. It was harming me obivously. I could not understand why was I losing all this zinc, and feeding zinc was making it worse and worse. It was some kind of regulation. And those companies were trying to balance my ratios. and just made it worse and worse.

Then I understood, that it was a balance between two enzymes, IDE enzyme which breaks down insulin, and insulin creating enzyme . These enzymes had zinc in it. So everytime, I would feed zinc, my insulin would crash. I was wondering what the hell was going on . Zinc for some reason was raising IDE enzyme , but did not increase production of the actual insulin. ARL and TE was trying to increase my insulin levels with zinc since that is the interaction they got.

Only when I fed copper with histidine, insulin went up. , because histidine wont go up without copper, and histidine is needed for insulin. SO by feeding copper histidine , I increased my insulin and decreased my IDE enzyme. Boom it was fixed just like that. And zinc levels and b6 levels went up on their own.

And I thought I had pyroluria LOL

It is almost impossible to run low on major electrolytes like magnesium calcium potassium sodium. This only happens if you have some amino imbalance. Since your liver is full of minerals usually. That is why you eat beef liver. Only amino acid imbalance can prevent your body from restoring the balance.
I swear ive seen you say before "te / arl approach does make you balanced but it takes 4 years to do". For the sake of the rest of the post lets forget that.

When i did my hair test, i did a VBG a the same time. Hair test :

Vbg:

I tried to get help with this but you didnt respond so i read all i could and spoke to some te practitioners. In the end it seemed like TE was right over ARL to me

Youre clearly saying im a fast oxidiser under ARL and that ARL is right in oxidation type.

Well i had that VBG at the same time which seems to imply high co2, indicating slow oxidation????

It doesnt make sense.
 

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I swear ive seen you say before "te / arl approach does make you balanced but it takes 4 years to do". For the sake of the rest of the post lets forget that.

When i did my hair test, i did a VBG a the same time. Hair test :

Vbg:

I tried to get help with this but you didbt respond so i read all i could and spoke to some te practitioners. In the end it seemed like TE was right over ARL to me

Youre clearly saying im a fast oxidiser under ARL and that ARL is right in oxidation type.

Well i had that VBG at the same time which seems to imply high co2, indicating slow oxidation????

It doesnt make sense.



This is 3 lows, it is mixed oxidation . What supplements were you taking prior to this test?
 

Aleksandr

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This is 3 lows, it is mixed oxidation . What supplements were you taking prior to this test?
You mean 3 months prior? I dont remember if i was taking anything. Maybe occasionally some betaine HCL. Before those 3 months i took a fair bit of betaine HCL (3 caps with every meal) which fixed IBS.

Are you sure this is mixed oxidation?

"Dr. Eck found that the best way to calculate the oxidation rate is to evaluate two ratios on a hair mineral chart, the sodium/magnesium ratio (Na/Mg or the adrenal ratio) and the calcium/potassium ratio (Ca/K or the thyroid ratio). If one of these ratios indicates fast oxidation and the other indicates slow oxidation, the pattern is called mixed oxidation."

My na/mg indicates over active adrenals
My ca/k indicates over active thyroid

= fast oxidation. Im not sure about 3 lows tho.

If it is 3 lows mixed, how do you suggest balancing the minerals?
 
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Guys i have a very interesting experience that i must share:
I got my root canalled tooth extracted this week and the hole was large in my jaw so i started taking antibiotics for it. Yesterday i took my first full dose 2x1000 mg augmentin duo( it has amoxicillin and clavulanic ACID) I had sooo much better mood than baseline yesterday. By the evening i developed gyno and muscles feeling weaker though. At night i had crazy long dreams, i dreamt the way i dreamt pre pfs, full of fighting, climbing, physical activities. Overall i rate my sleep was very good.
Today morning my balls are hanging lower, d ick is also longer. Noticed increased tinnitus yesterday and today too.

So whats going on? The clavulanic acid seems to be a very strong acid to me, the 2nd dose after dinner was burning my stomach and oesophagus for 1 hour and i had to eat again to make it go away.
It all correlates with the alkalosis theory or better said fact. Or does anyone know a better explanation?
Merry xmas btw, i think i will keep taking this antibiotics.

*wanted to add that i never felt this from simple betaine HCL

@gbolduev
 
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