Reverse penile fibrosis and testicular shrinkage

[hopeforrecovery]

Hello,

I suffer from PFS for 2 years. I'm 21 years old and i took Finasterid for 14 months. I have all bad sexual symptoms but the worst thing is the genital shrinkage. I experience a penile scarring, which has been diagnosed by an ultrasonic test and my testicles has shruken really bad. This has become worse in the last 6 months (!). I've already lost the half of girth and maybe 1/4 of length in erect state. It sounds crazy, but is reality. I've also done a hormonal blood test, but there was nothing to recognize such bad symptoms.
I just wanted to ask if anybody has ever reversed the penile shrinkage. It's my worst symptome and i just want my pre PFS size back. Has anybody experience with this?

best wishes, hopeforrecovery

 

[joekool]

I have improved it. It was the worst symptom but I have seen size return and I'll describe all you'll have to do.

How's your sleep? Have you ever done a fast? Are you familiar with 'research chemicals' ?

 

[hopeforrecovery]

Thank you so much, that gives me hope. My sleep is good. No, i've never done fasting. Yeah, i tried the research chemical PT-141 and MElanotan 2. Erections were a little bit better but still a damn soft glans. And it couldn't reverese any shrinkage. I have a hard flaccid penis and in erection it has become 50% thinner and like 25% shorter, it's so depressing. Could you maybe send me more details, i would really appreciate that!
What were your shrinkage symptoms and how much are they improved now? Have you got your pre PFS-Size?

Thank you so much, hopeforrecovery

 

[joekool]

Oh to think back to my original crash and size... I see why ppl do the stuff they do. It's very depressing... I had cold & hard flaccid, an hourglass shape to my flaccid & shortened. When getting an erection, that hourglass was there briefly but went away with full erection. Everything felt like it was 'retracted'... like the erection was starting 1" from inside and that's why my penis was smaller. Same while flaccid... that retracting feeling is 95% gone... the flaccid & erection size is 80% returned. Maybe slightly more depending on blood flow, which is what I'll describe to you on what to take to see improvements.

Some important facts that kept me going. The penile tissue is the most unique in the body. It's stretchy and meant to change and heal. Scarring and even plaque build up happens everywhere, and over time dissipates... we're going to use some products to help.

Another fact is that you can get an erection triggered with those two products (and you're not afraid of injections) ... most ED issues are mental, our GABA receptors are in bad shape due to fin and repair of those help erections.

Are your testicles tight up to the body a lot? Take your temperature morning afternoon and night. Post that here.

And blood flow, I'm betting your penis is cold to the touch, is because our thyroid is in a troubled state as well. It's all based on inflammation and an immune response where our bodies are attacking itself and our bodies are in an inflamed state and our metabolism is slowed to a 'survival' mode where blood flow is only sent to important organs... and our penis & sex drive is affected negatively. This is all cortisol & adrenaline and such related...

So there's a lot to say & stuff to get started on. I started seeing improvements about 4 months in from starting my recovery after trying to understand all that happened... some steps helped tremendously but I think there's a base you have to build on first... and sleep is the biggest. Before bed, I used 4G glycine, 400 mg L-theanine & 750mg GABA. I found this helped sleep and improved my nocturnal erections. This is an important first step because overnight you have a lot of hormones released and pushing blood into your penis overnight is a huge healing process. I used to tape some toilet paper around my flaccid penis before bed (not tape to the penis) and record if it was broken in the morning. Not an exact science but proved things were moving.

Nocturnal erections, morning wood and spontaneous erections are important to healing this issue. You have to get blood flow in there regularly or the tissue can get worse. Some steps I'll describe maybe controversial but it's steps I've done.

More Natural step: For blood flow, and typically helps trigger and erection, take 1G L-Tyrosine and 3G L-Arginine.. These are amino acids and if you take them and build an erection about 30 to 45 minutes later, it should be fuller including the glan. This could help get some immediate hope in the erection size issue.

Extreme step: A low dose of Cialis, 2.5 mg every other day, will also help get the blood flow in there and help reverse things. You must follow that dosage if you go this route because at higher dosage, you will cause more damage.

Super Extreme: Some of us took RU or Milfprestone, which is an anti-progesterone. Our bodies are progesterone dominant in the FIN state, but I believe you'll benefit the same from a solid fast. By drinking only water for 7 days, your body will up regulate it's receptors that have been damaged from FIN.

Many people have started with a fast but I was stupid and didn't... I need to slip a fast in my cycles at some point. Usually blood tests show no issues but that's because they're not understanding what's happened. The receptors are damaged and/or estrogen hijacked. A fast clears all hormones and upregulates your receptors so you start feeling the hormones again.

I bought a bathmate to help get blood flow to myself because there's a use it or lose it concept here... when I first started it, it was hard to use.. that's how bad things were... but it's tremendously better now. That was from CDsnuts ideas.

I actually used iodine in DMSO on my penis before bed... it triggered a wet dream one time. The DMSO opens the blood vessels for healing and the iodine helps 'activate' cells. Iodine on the testicles can help improve testosterone production. I'm back using iodine now.

Another huge helper is getting some much needed DHT into your body. IronMag Super R-Andro is the best product to get started on. It's expensive but will make you feel a lot better almost immediately. It's a prohormone that converts to DHT via a different pathway than 5ar. This could help get alpha-male feelings again, get some libido and DHT types of blood flow. 400mgs a day in multiple dosages for at least 2 months... but that's after you get the base fixed. The DHT & 5ar feedback loop is odd. Don't worry about that at all. You use this in cycles and each time things 'stick' and get better.

I use IGF1 as well, in 4 week cycles. We'll get to that in the future if you want to understand it.

After you fast and begin the aminos I've listed. If you're seeing improvements , move to R-Andro . Stick around because there's much more to do. There is a protocol of minerals & additional aminos. I've used T3 to improve body temp and blood flow. This will lower your testicles but we'll get to that later.

I know this looks long and may sound quirky but it's real. Getting good sleep, blood flow and some needed hormones will show you some progress & start the recovery. There are smart people on this forum and a few PFS recoveries thus far. Some, including myself, laugh at certain things like the toilet paper around the penis ... but there's an actual medical device you can get if you want... it's like an electronic cock ring that records it's changes and reports it on some reader the next day.

And you can always google the ideas , like L-Arginine's affect on nitric oxide and penis so you know I'm not full of it. I always trust but verify when I read up on other people's protocols.

 

[Continuous Heal]

Joe, can you talk a bit more about testicle position and the scrotum? When I was in the depths of my crash, my balls hung like two oranges in a grocery bag constantly. When I had the early recovery, it was one of the most noticeable changes, in that I could feel the scrotum tightening up again. Do we have any idea what drives this, as I still see some positive and negative variance here.

 

[joekool]

It's all about body temperature in this issue & that's related to thyroid... we know our sperm needs to be kept at 2^ lower than our body temperature so they hang when we're hot... like a hot shower, etc... but jump in cold water and they shrink up to capture some of the warmth of our body. One of my lasting side effects was constantly tight scrotum which lead to pain.

I would turtle up much of the day as well, a horrible way to spend the day... but I began T3 and things dramatically loosened up. I'm off T3 for 3 days and so far it's stuck... I'm hoping it stays. I'm hanging overall very normal.

Much of the recoveries thus far are improvements , whether they meant to or not, in thyroid functionality. Water fasts help reset things , the Androsterone of R-Andro have Thyroid mimetic qualities, Tyrosine and iodine. All these suggestions have a common thread... they effect thyroid function. I recently did a 33 day T3 cycle to flush reverse T3 and try to increase my metabolism which was in a lull state... by increasing metabolism, body temperature normalizes and hormone production can reach normal levels. This also includes blood flow and fixes for ED.

I can't say why you hung very low... alongside was your penis discolored or pain in your testicles... proving my blood flow factor but the return to normal movement is back to body temp /metabolism/ hormone production. It's possible the hormone production signal was out of whack due to FIN.

Another thing it could've been is an infection or inflammation , even in the prostate which we know is adversely affected by fin... a testicular inflammation or bacterial infection would increase temperature to that area. Like if you've ever had a bad infection like a cyst or something under the skin, it's warm to the touch and you usually get a low grade fever. If you notice normal movement, it's a huge positive sign.

Perhaps you did an antibiotic cycle for something else and then you noticed improvements?

What were some of the things you used that you noticed improved changes in this area?

 

[hopeforrecovery]

Oh to think back to my original crash and size... I see why ppl do the stuff they do. It's very depressing... I had cold & hard flaccid, an hourglass shape to my flaccid & shortened. When getting an erection, that hourglass was there briefly but went away with full erection. Everything felt like it was 'retracted'... like the erection was starting 1" from inside and that's why my penis was smaller. Same while flaccid... that retracting feeling is 95% gone... the flaccid & erection size is 80% returned. Maybe slightly more depending on blood flow, which is what I'll describe to you on what to take to see improvements.

Some important facts that kept me going. The penile tissue is the most unique in the body. It's stretchy and meant to change and heal. Scarring and even plaque build up happens everywhere, and over time dissipates... we're going to use some products to help.

Another fact is that you can get an erection triggered with those two products (and you're not afraid of injections) ... most ED issues are mental, our GABA receptors are in bad shape due to fin and repair of those help erections.

Are your testicles tight up to the body a lot? Take your temperature morning afternoon and night. Post that here.

And blood flow, I'm betting your penis is cold to the touch, is because our thyroid is in a troubled state as well. It's all based on inflammation and an immune response where our bodies are attacking itself and our bodies are in an inflamed state and our metabolism is slowed to a 'survival' mode where blood flow is only sent to important organs... and our penis & sex drive is affected negatively. This is all cortisol & adrenaline and such related...

So there's a lot to say & stuff to get started on. I started seeing improvements about 4 months in from starting my recovery after trying to understand all that happened... some steps helped tremendously but I think there's a base you have to build on first... and sleep is the biggest. Before bed, I used 4G glycine, 400 mg L-theanine & 750mg GABA. I found this helped sleep and improved my nocturnal erections. This is an important first step because overnight you have a lot of hormones released and pushing blood into your penis overnight is a huge healing process. I used to tape some toilet paper around my flaccid penis before bed (not tape to the penis) and record if it was broken in the morning. Not an exact science but proved things were moving.

Nocturnal erections, morning wood and spontaneous erections are important to healing this issue. You have to get blood flow in there regularly or the tissue can get worse. Some steps I'll describe maybe controversial but it's steps I've done.

More Natural step: For blood flow, and typically helps trigger and erection, take 1G L-Tyrosine and 3G L-Arginine.. These are amino acids and if you take them and build an erection about 30 to 45 minutes later, it should be fuller including the glan. This could help get some immediate hope in the erection size issue.

Extreme step: A low dose of Cialis, 2.5 mg every other day, will also help get the blood flow in there and help reverse things. You must follow that dosage if you go this route because at higher dosage, you will cause more damage.

Super Extreme: Some of us took RU or Milfprestone, which is an anti-progesterone. Our bodies are progesterone dominant in the FIN state, but I believe you'll benefit the same from a solid fast. By drinking only water for 7 days, your body will up regulate it's receptors that have been damaged from FIN.

Many people have started with a fast but I was stupid and didn't... I need to slip a fast in my cycles at some point. Usually blood tests show no issues but that's because they're not understanding what's happened. The receptors are damaged and/or estrogen hijacked. A fast clears all hormones and upregulates your receptors so you start feeling the hormones again.

I bought a bathmate to help get blood flow to myself because there's a use it or lose it concept here... when I first started it, it was hard to use.. that's how bad things were... but it's tremendously better now. That was from CDsnuts ideas.

I actually used iodine in DMSO on my penis before bed... it triggered a wet dream one time. The DMSO opens the blood vessels for healing and the iodine helps 'activate' cells. Iodine on the testicles can help improve testosterone production. I'm back using iodine now.

Another huge helper is getting some much needed DHT into your body. IronMag Super R-Andro is the best product to get started on. It's expensive but will make you feel a lot better almost immediately. It's a prohormone that converts to DHT via a different pathway than 5ar. This could help get alpha-male feelings again, get some libido and DHT types of blood flow. 400mgs a day in multiple dosages for at least 2 months... but that's after you get the base fixed. The DHT & 5ar feedback loop is odd. Don't worry about that at all. You use this in cycles and each time things 'stick' and get better.

I use IGF1 as well, in 4 week cycles. We'll get to that in the future if you want to understand it.

After you fast and begin the aminos I've listed. If you're seeing improvements , move to R-Andro . Stick around because there's much more to do. There is a protocol of minerals & additional aminos. I've used T3 to improve body temp and blood flow. This will lower your testicles but we'll get to that later.

I know this looks long and may sound quirky but it's real. Getting good sleep, blood flow and some needed hormones will show you some progress & start the recovery. There are smart people on this forum and a few PFS recoveries thus far. Some, including myself, laugh at certain things like the toilet paper around the penis ... but there's an actual medical device you can get if you want... it's like an electronic **** ring that records it's changes and reports it on some reader the next day.

And you can always google the ideas , like L-Arginine's affect on nitric oxide and penis so you know I'm not full of it. I always trust but verify when I read up on other people's protocols.

Thank you so much for that protocol! So i will start to fast and at first i will go with the natural supplements! After 4 weeks i will give you guys an update! Could you maybe also answer these questions?:

01. So are you really convinced that penis scarring can be reversed with these steps? Doctors diagnosed my penis scarring with an ultrasonic test and that scares me. Would you say that the scar tissue can be destroyed by these steps and it will grow bigger again?

02. Have you ever heared of Xiaflex? Some doctors use it to treat peyronie's disease. It works with collagen.

03. Have you experienced facial changes with PFS (facial bone structure, bigger and wider nose/ears, wreckles)? If yes what were the symptoms and is this reversible?

04. For the start would you say that i can see improvements just with the natural supplements you listed, good sleep and use of a bathmate? How much time should i stay on this protocol and after how many months you started to notice that your penis become bigger again?

Sorry if i ask too much and for my bad english. Hope we could stay in contact here.
Thanks for all your support!

 

[wuf]

Thank you so much for that protocol! So i will start to fast and at first i will go with the natural supplements! After 4 weeks i will give you guys an update! Could you maybe also answer these questions?:

01. So are you really convinced that penis scarring can be reversed with these steps? Doctors diagnosed my penis scarring with an ultrasonic test and that scares me. Would you say that the scar tissue can be destroyed by these steps and it will grow bigger again?

02. Have you ever heared of Xiaflex? Some doctors use it to treat peyronie's disease. It works with collagen.

03. Have you experienced facial changes with PFS (facial bone structure, bigger and wider nose/ears, wreckles)? If yes what were the symptoms and is this reversible?

04. For the start would you say that i can see improvements just with the natural supplements you listed, good sleep and use of a bathmate? How much time should i stay on this protocol and after how many months you started to notice that your penis become bigger again?

Sorry if i ask too much and for my bad english. Hope we could stay in contact here.
Thanks for all your support!

I can respond at 1 and 2....YES.
I had all of that and it reversed with time in my case since I never used anything when I had that problem.

 

[hopeforrecovery]

I can respond at 1 and 2....YES.
I had all of that and it reversed with time in my case since I never used anything when I had that problem.

I can respond at 1 and 2....YES.
I had all of that and it reversed with time in my case since I never used anything when I had that problem.

Thanks for that! So i've ordered a bathmate and i will use it daily! Problem is that i can only achieve 50% erections and another thing is that they only work with physical stimulation. With mental or visual stimulation my penis stays dead. Did you also experienced this and if yes, has it become better by time? And how is your sex life at the moment if i can ask you.

Best regards

 

[wuf]

Thanks for that! So i've ordered a bathmate and i will use it daily! Problem is that i can only achieve 50% erections and another thing is that they only work with physical stimulation. With mental or visual stimulation my penis stays dead. Did you also experienced this and if yes, has it become better by time? And how is your sex life at the moment if i can ask you.

Best regards

Yes I experienced that..and recovered by time, that's normal PFS.
I recovered it and 1 year ago I used a pro-hormones that put me down again, so I am a different case now.

 

[joekool]

Thank you so much for that protocol! So i will start to fast and at first i will go with the natural supplements! After 4 weeks i will give you guys an update! Could you maybe also answer these questions?:

01. So are you really convinced that penis scarring can be reversed with these steps? Doctors diagnosed my penis scarring with an ultrasonic test and that scares me. Would you say that the scar tissue can be destroyed by these steps and it will grow bigger again?

02. Have you ever heared of Xiaflex? Some doctors use it to treat peyronie's disease. It works with collagen.

03. Have you experienced facial changes with PFS (facial bone structure, bigger and wider nose/ears, wreckles)? If yes what were the symptoms and is this reversible?

04. For the start would you say that i can see improvements just with the natural supplements you listed, good sleep and use of a bathmate? How much time should i stay on this protocol and after how many months you started to notice that your penis become bigger again?

Sorry if i ask too much and for my bad english. Hope we could stay in contact here.
Thanks for all your support!

Hey don't worry about asking questions... we'll help as best we can.

1) Yes, any scar anywhere can be mitigated but especially in the penile tissue, given proper healing nutrients. Vitamin E is great if you want to use that and find an oil with E in it... when you first get the bathmate, you would use it during the shower while flaccid, only for a few minutes every other day. Then you'll increase the minutes, max of 5 mins per pump session but you can release, wait a few minutes, and pump again in the same session. It's done every other day because you have to heal the stretching and blood flow. I actually don't pump too much but just enough to start to feel the blood. You'll get the hang of it but less is kinda better at first. You're doing it to get blood in there. After a month, you can attempt to build an erection and do a pump session.

2) never heard of it but it's an injection... guess where?... doesn't sound pleasing... and it's Pharma that got us into this mess... I'd pass for now...

3) Some have reported that... bone structure will change as DHT becomes re-dominant. The jawline may Harden back to normal... I'm betting it's not ears or nose that grew but your jawline is likely different and your cheek bones are likely different. DHT will help but hold off on worrying too much on that. It'll work itself out.

4) It's hard for me to judge because I did multiple things in different orders at different times. I didn't get the bathmate until March, by then some RAndro helped me out. I think after a consistent 2 months, you'll notice some improvements but prepare yourself for a lot longer.

My sex life is improved and workable. Again, compared to the crash, it's much better but I'm not 100% yet. I've just ended a different cycle that had product that I know would kill my libido so it's normal. Prior to that , I had noticed improvements.

 

[Continuous Heal]

I can't say why you hung very low... alongside was your penis discolored or pain in your testicles... proving my blood flow factor but the return to normal movement is back to body temp /metabolism/ hormone production. It's possible the hormone production signal was out of whack due to FIN.

Another thing it could've been is an infection or inflammation , even in the prostate which we know is adversely affected by fin... a testicular inflammation or bacterial infection would increase temperature to that area. Like if you've ever had a bad infection like a cyst or something under the skin, it's warm to the touch and you usually get a low grade fever. If you notice normal movement, it's a huge positive sign.

Perhaps you did an antibiotic cycle for something else and then you noticed improvements?

What were some of the things you used that you noticed improved changes in this area?

No discoloration, however my earliest PFS symptom (while I was still taking the drug) was a constant pain in my left (dominant?) testicle. This pain was constant and did not stop until I got off the drug essentially a year later. I appreciate the temperature consideration, but something about this felt very nerve related to me. This is why some of the theories around allopregnanolone and demylination made a lot of sense to me. I also had crippling anxiety to a near PTSD level at the time (allo very involved).

As I mentioned in another thread, phosphatidylserine supplementation is what seemed to finally partially break this cycle. Within a couple of weeks, I noticed a drastic change in sleep quality, and that my scrotum tightened up and began to move on its own again, from a formerly lifeless constant hang.

Also of note is that I felt a tightness or inflammation in the prostate the entire time I had the left testicle pain as well.

EDIT: I should also mention that I was on fin successfully and without issue for approximately 7 years before this happened. My problems began shortly after my career ratcheted up in stress intensity.

 

[joekool]

I'm going to order powder/dry phosphatidylserine. Choline is important and has been shown to improve the mind muscle and mind penis connection. Thank you for that info.

The pain leads me back to some type of inflammation or infection. I'm thankful for your post because I wanted to try PS. I posted on your thread.

There is a nerve called the pudendal nerve that's very damaged when starved of DHT. I wonder if that was a source but great info you listed.

 

[Continuous Heal]

I'm going to order powder/dry phosphatidylserine. Choline is important and has been shown to improve the mind muscle and mind penis connection. Thank you for that info.

The pain leads me back to some type of inflammation or infection. I'm thankful for your post because I wanted to try PS. I posted on your thread.

There is a nerve called the pudendal nerve that's very damaged when starved of DHT. I wonder if that was a source but great info you listed.

On the subject of nerve damage, is this discussion part of what you're referring to?

Hair Loss Help Forums - Finasteride and Neurological Damage

 

[joekool]

I've seen similar postings like that. I def need to read this link. Read only first two pages and was reminded why our forum is so much better.

But I've heard of the choline helping nerves, I'm using Alpha lipoic acid and acetyl l carnitine for those benefits.

My brain fog was pretty clear from LTyrosine. Would you say the PS helped that too? If you had it? I'm already sold but I would like to add any nerve repair or myalin sheath repair to my regimen. I use igf1 lr3 in cycles for overall healing And repair.

 

[hopeforrecovery]

Thanks for all that inbformations guys! Next week i will start my first water fasting for 7 days. Than i will go on with all the natural supplements.

The weird thing is that most of the PFS-people experience shrinkage only in flaccid state, but my shrinkage is so bad also in erection. It's crazy.

 

[joekool]

KEep posting here during your fast. First 3 days EDIT: ARE the hardest.

 

[Ghost]

I’m a 21 y/o PSSD-er. So much sympathy for this thread. Fuck… This is hard stuff, guys. I feel for all of you.

Recently I went to Dr. Goldstein in San Diego and learned that I too have penile scarring/fibrosis. It was a surreal find for me, and a mix of happy and sad. Happy because my struggles were justified, but sad because there isn’t a ton of medical knowledge on how this happened, or how to reverse it. I’ve bounced around with the 5-HT hypothesis for years (3.5 years of PSSD for me), and this changed some things. I know now that there is a physical aspect to my ED as well.

Dr. Goldstein put me on 5mg of Cialis daily, which is why I’d like to ask @joekool why you think that this dose might be too much / cause damage? My hope is that it will increase the blood flow that you all have talked about above. Joe, your post resonated with me a lot.



“I had cold & hard flaccid, an hourglass shape to my flaccid & shortened. When getting an erection, that hourglass was there briefly but went away with full erection. Everything felt like it was 'retracted’”


I also have a sort of performance anxiety that has come from PSSD. Never had it before, but Cortisol / Adrenaline kicks in sometimes before sex, and that’s just lights out (which makes total sense biologically). I don’t know if this is a chemical problem or what. My heart will go into hyperdrive, and I don’t remember that before PSSD. It just pounds and pounds when I’m anxious now. This compounds the physical problem of PSSD, and fuck does it kill the mood. I’ve heard that DHT can help with mood and confidence, and that might be another reason that I want to try it eventually.

I NEED to fast. I know this, it’s just hard to find a time. But, that’s a bad excuse and I know it. I am a student and work at a hospital a lot, so there really isn’t a time where I can afford to worry about feeling lightheaded or too sick from not eating for a week. My hormones LOOK normal, but I know they’re not.

As for the nerve (and jeez you’re posting everything that I’ve been thinking recently so this makes me so so happy) - I have seen damage from DHT lack and blood flow lack. People with a problem in that nerve have many similar problems as us. Another thing I want to emphasize is the pelvic floor. Pelvic floor tension is 100% a problem of mine. Dr. Goldstein told me that too. You gotta learn to relax the floor. There are people with many of our same problems just from having a tense floor. It cuts off blood. That will tank confidence. That will compound the problem. Soon, you loose blood flow, which can cause the fibrosis we see, and it’s a vicious cycle. I urge everyone here to work on the pelvic floor muscles.

I started working on the pelvic floor last weekend. Then I started 5mg daily Cialis monday. Monday night I had the best erection in months, and tuesday I had a killer day. Parts of my dick were throbbing with life and everything felt so much like pre-PSSD. Yesterday morning / afternoon was maybe my best day since PSSD. I was horny with boners that came faster, were harder, and stayed longer. I seriously thought that I was on the verge of putting PSSD behind me for good. I went to see my gf last night and everything fell apart. At first I wanted to just sleep with her, but was with her housemates. Throughout the night my drive died and I started to get anxious about that. The cortisol started flowing and that was lights out. My boners were weak and numb - just like at the heart of PSSD. I told her I was feeling sick and wanted to go to bed when she was trying to take my clothes off and have sex. Woke up this morning with number dick and a weak ass morning wood. FML.

But I’m starting to realize that hiding my head in a Serotonin book all day isn’t getting me the answers. The answers come from connecting the body to the penis and letting the rest fall in place. Something that I was doing early this week was hitting all the right buttons. When you’re gaining back your confidence, loosing erections isn’t even a thought in your mind. You’re calm and confidence. Talking to my gf early last night when I was horny, I felt like a new me. I me that I haven’t seen in years.

I think I’m going to get a pump. I’ll amazon prime it here so I get it fast.

I’m gonna keep doing pelvic exercises, which I can share with anyone who would like. Just PM me.

Another thing I’ve thought about is getting a red light. CD used to talk about “sunning the boys” or something like that. You get NO and T moving with red light down there, and it would increase blood flow as well. I’m not sure of it yet, but something that I’m thinking of buying and trying.

This fibrosis CAN go away. I’ve seen Dr. Goldstein’s scans of it reverses for both PFS and PSSD patients. He uses PRP in the penis to attempt to speed this up, but it might be a mixture of pelvic floor changes and viagra/cialis that get blood flowing down there as well.

Dr. G also tends to see PFS and PSSD occur in people who hit an especially stressful time. It's like the cortisol or stress or something all comes together to make a perfect storm.


Anyways, you guys gave me some hope on a terrible day.



Cheers,

Ghost

 

[barbaar]

@Ghost I'm with you on the stress thing. Anecdotal, but I was extremely stressed when I started taking citalopram, and the severity of my symptoms seems to somewhat correlate with how stressed I am.

 

[joekool]

Hey @Ghost I'm going to try to hit things from my experience thus far ... let's expand

I've definitely seen a pattern in people who have had anxiety issues, even just slightly on the spectrum but not fully diagnosed clinical anxiety , have a higher incidence of PFS. Another common pattern I see is the double cycle... meaning someone took fin, stopped, recovered... then tried again after X months or longer, suffer side effects quitting again but never seeing the recovery and going into PFS.

I can't find the important link now but I'll search my bookmarks, but there is an enzyme leftover from a PDE5 inhibitors that does block the healing of said tissue. That's found at higher dosages which is the single dose usage in normal men so it doesn't cause an issue for penile muscle repair however, that enzyme that's left over isn't found (or isn't abundant enough to be found) at lower dosages. I promise I'll find the link.

XanaX crosses the blood brain barrier and is a GABA releaser... nightly low dose Xanax is one of the first steps to returning nocturnal erections. Xanax is a little dangerous but I tried it for 30 days at first, didn't help. I used other natural GABA releasers to attempt to mimic the Xanax while using low dosage of Cialis to trigger nocturnals. The 2.5mg every other day due to it's long half life was good enough. I should've given the full story but 5mg was safe too, even every day but I tried to find the lowest dosage and it's half-life is decent... as you saw, it's not the cure for the anxiety part. If we're strictly using the product to prevent the 'use it or lose it' muscle atrophy (fibrosis) of the penis, I feel 2.5mg before bed is better to begin to return tumescence, nightly muscle engorging, at a time when our body's hormones are naturally highest.

Along the same lines, just getting an erection from cialis, like popping a 20mg pill and watching TV, doesn't do our bodies healing process any good because our dopamine receptors are damaged in us. Another point for nightly usage for blood flow only, not the 'time to go' usage which, if you have 2.5mg in your blood every other day, should put you in a position of being able to get an erection from arousal barring your anxiety issues you mentioned. Honestly, I don't know your situation, but I've told all to my girlfriend and we're able to perform under conditions where I get to relax and not have any anxiety. The brain's plasticity is our friend here... so someone to open up to and re-senstize certain receptors could brings things back...

When I was on fin, I used to sweat profusely from previous issues that would've given me only a touch of anxiety were now over the top sweating ... as in go home and change clothes. I wish I knew June of 2016 it was the FIN, maybe could've been off after 3 months instead of six...

I'll likely touch on this again ASAP...

The Super R Andro we all like converts to DHT via a different pathway and definitely provides the alpha male feeling we've been missing. It's probably one of the best products we can use safely & repeatedly. We all love it and have used it multiple times. Since you're already on a prescription, I would say there's no time like the present to try some. I think it'll boost the mood you're referring to. I would def use this prescription time to get some much needed DHT into the blood to get some repair in there. That should fix the confidence.

The bath mate is the same concept... just get blood in there... we're not necessarily using it for the advertised 'get bigger quick' scheme... but keep things moving to avoid the use it or lose it issue... I use it flaccid for two 5 minute pump sessions every other day, and if that day I'm home and can work up some blood flow, I use it with a slight erection... I've only used it once with a full erection.

Obviously stick around on this forum, it's the biggest brain trust on this issue so far... with progress abound... take some of this and see what works... let us know your progress too because it'll help everyone.