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I haven't checked any of my levels so to check them now would probably be kind of pointless. My results have still stuck so far, so I don't want to mess with anything just yet. Thanks a bunch for all this information though, it could definitely come in useful in the near future...

Yup my libido has definitely seen improvements, also I hope RWAC's sickness was coincidental but I'm not sure.

Its been about a week since I've last used Ella. I've noticed that my voice has gotten deeper, and most of my other results have remained about the same. I've been feeling more tired for the past few days though, it's a different kind of tired to what I was facing before Ella. PFS was more of...

My major PFS symptoms were: Brain fog (This included slowed down and slurred speech, the inability to focus both visually and mentally, forgetfulness in both long and short term memory, lack of motivation, lack of wanting to socialise, and anxiety) Gut issues (Bloating, stools were never solid...

Okay guys it's been about 2 and a half days since I last used Ella and my results have still stuck. I've noticed I'm feeling a lot more talkative, my energy levels are higher, my libido is better and I even seemed to have slimmed down in the face. I think PFS might have made me retain more water...

Thank you. Yeah it seems as though Aztecs PFS symptoms weren't as bad as mine so I decided to take more just to be sure. I took my last dose last night and I'm still cruising at a higher baseline. During PFS i was around 30% of my pre-PFS state, now with the Ella I'm at like an 80%. Praying...

Right but I'm assuming they both do a similar thing otherwise he wouldn't have lumped them all in the same category. Regardless I don't know what I'm talking about so I'm keeping the warning up just to be safe.

Hey folks, For the past 6 months or so I've been experimenting with different protocols found on these forums. When I tried cysteine, magnesium, potassium and copper there was a 3 day window where i felt amazing but the effects subsided afterwards and no matter how much I tried I was unable to...

I got my Ella from a pharmacist as its available over the counter here. I split the 30mg pill up into 6 parts and am planning to do the 6 day cycle. The only reason I wasnt doing Ella originally was because of the risk involved in possibly making my PFS worse, but i figured if I was going to do...

I was reading up on Ella, and decided to try it before going back on finasteride. I did 5mg last night and woke up feeling better than the day before. I just did another 5 mg and I'll let you know how it goes.

This is getting into territory way over my head so I hope others here can extrapolate something from this. Oh also, unrelated to this, I wonder if DHT blocking shampoos like Nizoral could help with the DHT pinging theory. On the other end of the spectrum I wonder if people here feel better or...

Haven't people recommended against coconut oil because its bad for digestion/causes diarrhea in some cases? Also I think tomato juice (lycopene) only inhibits 5ar type 1 whereas finasteride inhibits 5ar type 2 so I'm not sure its exactly recreating the same effect

Yeah I think there's some truth to the balance between zinc and copper for getting either of them to work. I read somewhere that taking small doses of zinc doesn't actually reduce DHT that much and can actually increase DHT, you should try doing 100mg+ and see how you feel the next day, if you...

There was one week where I was using cysteine, potassium, magnesium and copper and I felt amazing during it. But I think I started going overboard with the magnesium and started getting diarrhea, and lost my results. I tried to take the lower doses again and it just didn't work the same. I've...

It's been about 5 months since I've crashed. I think I'll wait it out for another week and make a decision then.

I wouldn't say its outdated, he appears to have changed his protocol quite a bit now. His older protocol was more about directly getting DHT into a certain range, and now it's turned into a whole thing with demethalyzation. The guy was clearly getting results from zinc but they didn't stick...

Yes but the bio-availability of sulforaphane in supplement form is really bad. Growing them yourself is much better, but more of a hassle.

Thyroxine Upregulates 3a-HSD (which converts DHT to 3-Adiol G) : Other Studies This thread about Thyroxine upregulating 3a-HSD is interesting, apparently it cured somebody.

Ah okay, sorry. Perhaps one of the types has high DHT metabolites... I wonder if it would be a bad thing to block only SOME 5ar, with low-dose finasteride, trying to do a balancing act so more NADPH is made than destroyed. I think high dose zinc is a temporary solution and sulforaphane is hard...

I'm not sure how accurate this is, but this person theorized that there's two types of PFS. A new protocol I have been experimenting with, it can be used for both accutane and PFS sufferers " PFS type 1: 5AR/DHT levels are impaired but androgen receptors are still somewhat functional. (They...