5 alpha's PFS/RU LOG

[aztec]

[quote="5 alpha" post_id=1908 time=1508375989 user_id=57]

[quote="5 alpha" post_id=1906 time=1508375369 user_id=57]
day 3 on RU. Took 50mg at about 12 noon.

So far the calm feeling continues. Despite the fact that RU can act as a mild anti androgen I don't feel like I'm taking an anti androgen at all. I have that "warm" feeling that i have got before on Androsterone or even when doing CD's protocol at top capacity with proper herb cycling/HIT and health diet. So far there is nothing anti androgen feeling about this.

Other than that I have felt a slight increase in dick sensitivity that's deff not placebo but is nothing major. also maybe a slight increase in overall labido that is small enoug to point where it could be placebo. Technically even though today was my 3rd doss i will not have had the drug in my system for three full days until tomorrow at 12 noon.

I'm going to finish hit cycle clean with no co factors and even go tor next few days with no go factors so that I can get a fair analysis of the three day cycle.

I went about 8 days with no herbs, about 11 days with no NADH, about a month off of Androsterone and two months off of 5adhp before starting this.

All i took until the day leading up to my first day of RU was Magsnsium which I stopped a day before starting. All i have been taking the last three days is vitamin, D, C and K during day and glycin at night.

So I have ran thus pretty clean and will stay clean for at least a few days. I'm hoping for the best!

Good stuff 5 alpha! That is progress right there. The 3 day cycle sounds ideal and I wish you the best. I hope you are sleeping well too.
[/quote]

yea man! I'm pretty happy with results so far. Have not got worse by any means. Sleep although all around kinda shitty for the last 2 weeks due to just crazy work schedule/unrelated to PFS BUT the RU has not made that worse at all.

This still has potential for real gains. About five days off first cycle I should have my mind made up how I'm going to run the rest

have you started your log yet?
[/quote]
That’s awesome 5 alpha! You will make solid gains pal. I just created a log yesterday and will run my cycle on Sunday evening or Monday for sure.

 

[IHateFin]

Any update, man?

 

[5 alpha]

hey man.

I finished the 3 day cycle and so far I have been off of it for two days. So like goose mentioned it felt to me like RU is some pretty powerful stuff. I had no negatives while on it other than what I considered minor headachs and maybe a slight dizziness feeling on the 3rd day.

I felt over all just good in general and find it hard to believe that if I did not have an issue with receptors, specifically prog receptors that I would have been able to feel just "good" on it.

Only other thought I can report about it's feeling in general is that the drug seems to peak at about the 4 hour mark and would maintain its pretty strong and noticeable feeling for about eight hours...

at the end of the 3rd day I could hardly feel anything. feels like it left my system pretty fast actually and there was zero recovery time. like "waiting to go back to normal" time.

bad news is that it did almost nothing for the sexual sides so far which is obviously the point here.

Goose sounds like he had a bounce back effect in 8 days (I believe) after stopping so maybe I still have something to look forward to.

but I still feel like this touched on something simply because it did feel good in a natural way while on it..yes it felt like a strong drug but a strong drug that induced a natural ohh yea I remember what this felt like type of feeling.

perhaps giving my low prog values my prog receptors are extremely upregulated and that it will take more than one cycle of RU agonizing my receptors for them to start to down regulate.

I still have a good enough feeling about this to run this again. now the question is how long should i wait and how should I run it.

I kinda feel like the only true way to rule in or rule out the three day 50mg cycle method as being the way is to try several of them.

 

[5 alpha]

I'm thinking maybe ill wait 10 days and than do another three day cycle.

if 10 days after my second 3 day cycle I feel even a small amount of positive labido changes than I'll run two more additional three day cycles.

if 10 days after the second 3 day cycle I feel zero positive changes in labido than I'll take the remaining 300mg and run a six day 50mg cycle with Prog. If that works out good than I'll purchase more Ru and keep running these six day 50mg cycles with prog

thoughts?

 

[IHateFin]

[quote="5 alpha" post_id=2289 time=1508619028 user_id=57]
I'm thinking maybe ill wait 10 days and than do another three day cycle.

if 10 days after my second 3 day cycle I feel even a small amount of positive labido changes than I'll run two more additional three day cycles.

if 10 days after the second 3 day cycle I feel zero positive changes in labido than I'll take the remaining 300mg and run a six day 50mg cycle with Prog. If that works out good than I'll purchase more Ru and keep running these six day 50mg cycles with prog

thoughts?
[/quote]

I would give yourself no less than 1 month to see how your snap back goes n maybe have some herbs to fight any headaches from prolactin on hand.

 

[5 alpha]

[quote="5 alpha" post_id=2289 time=1508619028 user_id=57]
I'm thinking maybe ill wait 10 days and than do another three day cycle.

if 10 days after my second 3 day cycle I feel even a small amount of positive labido changes than I'll run two more additional three day cycles.

if 10 days after the second 3 day cycle I feel zero positive changes in labido than I'll take the remaining 300mg and run a six day 50mg cycle with Prog. If that works out good than I'll purchase more Ru and keep running these six day 50mg cycles with prog

thoughts?

I would give yourself no less than 1 month to see how your snap back goes n maybe have some herbs to fight any headaches from prolactin on hand.
[/quote]

hmm a month. I noticed you and goose agreeing on the month wait. Maybe I'll do the same and just wait the month. in the mean time like you said go back to herb cycling and NAD while I wait.

do you think that there is any chance that by waiting to long that my receptors could go back to square one ?

in other words assuming i have upregulated receptors and by coming off a three day RU cycle that's "starting to bring them down" that if I waited to long that they could just upregulate back to their original status?

lol.i know I prob sound a little crazy on that one but figured I'd put it out their to see what you thought.

I guess if this logic made any sense it's kinda relying on the down regulating them little by little logic to reach their sweet spot

 

[Goose12]

[quote="5 alpha" post_id=2296 time=1508620558 user_id=57]

hmm a month. I noticed you and goose agreeing on the month wait. Maybe I'll do the same and just wait the month. in the mean time like you said go back to herb cycling and NAD while I wait.

do you think that there is any chance that by waiting to long that my receptors could go back to square one ?

in other words assuming i have upregulated receptors and by coming off a three day RU cycle that's "starting to bring them down" that if I waited to long that they could just upregulate back to their original status?

lol.i know I prob sound a little crazy on that one but figured I'd put it out their to see what you thought.

I guess if this logic made any sense it's kinda relying on the down regulating them little by little logic to reach their sweet spot
[/quote]

From my understanding 5 alpha the improvements should stick. Now I could see there being a 5 steps forward 1 step back similar to herbs.

Congrats on finishing your RU trial. I will be following it closely.

Did you have headaches after coming off of RU like I did? And did you take anything for prolactin? I know you said it felt like it didn't stay in your system long but I felt like it was mine for at least three day's. I read somewhere the half life was around 20 hours.

Good luck!

 

[Helen]

[quote="5 alpha" post_id=2285 time=1508618248 user_id=57]
hey man.

I finished the 3 day cycle and so far I have been off of it for two days. So like goose mentioned it felt to me like RU is some pretty powerful stuff. I had no negatives while on it other than what I considered minor headachs and maybe a slight dizziness feeling on the 3rd day.

I felt over all just good in general and find it hard to believe that if I did not have an issue with receptors, specifically prog receptors that I would have been able to feel just "good" on it.

Only other thought I can report about it's feeling in general is that the drug seems to peak at about the 4 hour mark and would maintain its pretty strong and noticeable feeling for about eight hours...

at the end of the 3rd day I could hardly feel anything. feels like it left my system pretty fast actually and there was zero recovery time. like "waiting to go back to normal" time.

bad news is that it did almost nothing for the sexual sides so far which is obviously the point here.

Goose sounds like he had a bounce back effect in 8 days (I believe) after stopping so maybe I still have something to look forward to.

but I still feel like this touched on something simply because it did feel good in a natural way while on it..yes it felt like a strong drug but a strong drug that induced a natural ohh yea I remember what this felt like type of feeling.

perhaps giving my low prog values my prog receptors are extremely upregulated and that it will take more than one cycle of RU agonizing my receptors for them to start to down regulate.

I still have a good enough feeling about this to run this again. now the question is how long should i wait and how should I run it.

I kinda feel like the only true way to rule in or rule out the three day 50mg cycle method as being the way is to try several of them.
[/quote]


RU did not even leave your system yet.It will take 3-4 days to do that. and then it should take time for a snap back

Also if you had low progesterone , it could be a different case. I wonder why you chose to go RU route. It was either Ru or high dose progesterone. It is very good that someone with low progesterone took this. We will see how it works out. Good luck

 

[IHateFin]

[quote="5 alpha" post_id=2296 time=1508620558 user_id=57]

[quote="5 alpha" post_id=2289 time=1508619028 user_id=57]
I'm thinking maybe ill wait 10 days and than do another three day cycle.

if 10 days after my second 3 day cycle I feel even a small amount of positive labido changes than I'll run two more additional three day cycles.

if 10 days after the second 3 day cycle I feel zero positive changes in labido than I'll take the remaining 300mg and run a six day 50mg cycle with Prog. If that works out good than I'll purchase more Ru and keep running these six day 50mg cycles with prog

thoughts?

I would give yourself no less than 1 month to see how your snap back goes n maybe have some herbs to fight any headaches from prolactin on hand.
[/quote]

hmm a month. I noticed you and goose agreeing on the month wait. Maybe I'll do the same and just wait the month. in the mean time like you said go back to herb cycling and NAD while I wait.

do you think that there is any chance that by waiting to long that my receptors could go back to square one ?

in other words assuming i have upregulated receptors and by coming off a three day RU cycle that's "starting to bring them down" that if I waited to long that they could just upregulate back to their original status?

lol.i know I prob sound a little crazy on that one but figured I'd put it out their to see what you thought.

I guess if this logic made any sense it's kinda relying on the down regulating them little by little logic to reach their sweet spot
[/quote]

if you start feeling improvements from ru well after taking it like [mention]Goose12[/mention] and I then these are changes that will stick. at that point you will want to be careful not to overdo anything that may set you back at all, but even if you do make a small mistake in taking something you shouldn't you will bounce back just fine.

this is something that was evident when I hopped on proviron for a day well after my 3 day ru cycle. it made me feel kinda poopy but the next day I was back to feeling ru improvements again.

PFS in my opinion is a confusion in the body in using progesterone to counter estrogen instead of DHT. its possible that if your estrogen was low that your progesterone was low since there wasn't much estrogen to keep at bay. so the fact that your prog was low could be from the condition of your receptors, but it could also just be on what your body was using to counter estrogen at that time.

 

[5 alpha]

interesting. That makes sense about if i get any results that stick than they will stick so no rush to get back on it.

interesting thought about the possible connection between low estrogen and low prog. My labs before the RU showed normal estrogen and low prog but that still obviously leaves us in the dark about what was going on during the RU with that possible connection.

Only other thing..last night and right now i am feeling that same energized, "DHT'ness, warmish positive feeling that I got on the RU. It's not to the same degree but last night it just started randomly.

So noon today is now three full days off...i fucking hope this sticks lol

 

[5 alpha]

noticeable increase in labido today...im actually feeling a bounce back at day three being off.

I should wait at least three days before posting this but pretty pumped right now at the possibility of this not being placebo

 

[Jaxx]

great news, must be hard being patient for the progress!

 

[Goose12]

That's great! It's not a placebo, it will slowly keep getting better and better.

 

[aztec]

[quote="5 alpha" post_id=2404 time=1508707910 user_id=57]
noticeable increase in labido today...im actually feeling a bounce back at day three being off.

I should wait at least three days before posting this but pretty pumped right now at the possibility of this not being placebo
[/quote]
Good news 5 alpha! I am happy for you. Heal strong.

 

[IHateFin]

[quote="5 alpha" post_id=2404 time=1508707910 user_id=57]
noticeable increase in labido today...im actually feeling a bounce back at day three being off.

I should wait at least three days before posting this but pretty pumped right now at the possibility of this not being placebo
[/quote]

Hell yeah, buddy!

 

[Snow1]

Hell yea buddy, that's the Monday morning news we like to hear! Happy for you.

 

[bruschi11]

and.....

 

[BeLikeWater]

Im all ears

 

[5 alpha]

[quote="5 alpha" post_id=2285 time=1508618248 user_id=57]
hey man.

I finished the 3 day cycle and so far I have been off of it for two days. So like goose mentioned it felt to me like RU is some pretty powerful stuff. I had no negatives while on it other than what I considered minor headachs and maybe a slight dizziness feeling on the 3rd day.

I felt over all just good in general and find it hard to believe that if I did not have an issue with receptors, specifically prog receptors that I would have been able to feel just "good" on it.

Only other thought I can report about it's feeling in general is that the drug seems to peak at about the 4 hour mark and would maintain its pretty strong and noticeable feeling for about eight hours...

at the end of the 3rd day I could hardly feel anything. feels like it left my system pretty fast actually and there was zero recovery time. like "waiting to go back to normal" time.

bad news is that it did almost nothing for the sexual sides so far which is obviously the point here.

Goose sounds like he had a bounce back effect in 8 days (I believe) after stopping so maybe I still have something to look forward to.

but I still feel like this touched on something simply because it did feel good in a natural way while on it..yes it felt like a strong drug but a strong drug that induced a natural ohh yea I remember what this felt like type of feeling.

perhaps giving my low prog values my prog receptors are extremely upregulated and that it will take more than one cycle of RU agonizing my receptors for them to start to down regulate.

I still have a good enough feeling about this to run this again. now the question is how long should i wait and how should I run it.

I kinda feel like the only true way to rule in or rule out the three day 50mg cycle method as being the way is to try several of them.

RU did not even leave your system yet.It will take 3-4 days to do that. and then it should take time for a snap back

Also if you had low progesterone , it could be a different case. I wonder why you chose to go RU route. It was either Ru or high dose progesterone. It is very good that someone with low progesterone took this. We will see how it works out. Good luck
[/quote]

thanks for the feedback man!

good to see you around here

yes this is awesome. we have a low prog /RU test rat now. I was a little scared at first but I hatefin brought up some logical points as to why taking RU with low prog could be of benefit

 

[5 alpha]

Im all ears

So I'm day 6 being off and I can honestly say that I have reached a new level and still continue to feel from time to time the RU surges I'll call them. Like the O shit I'm on RU feeling I described already.

So I'll be specific for the sake of being specific

over all improvements in mental labido and Orgasm improvements. These two issues have never improved on anything i have tried. 5adhp has improved ability to achieve and maintain erection but never the symptom of shitty orgasm or over all labido.

I'm not getting better erection quality/ ability to achieve and maintain erection to any extent that's worth noting but the two sexual symptoms mentioned above have increased enough to point where it's deff not placebo and enough to consider a gain.

I will deff be continuing with three day cycles!