Accutane recoveries using Finasteride

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[quote="5 alpha" post_id=1749 time=1508291999 user_id=57]
so this doctor is checking his messages daily to see who offers to pay him for info? lol that's nuts. As a forum can we all chip in like $10 and ask if he will come in participate in a thread?

it would be nice actually hearing from the guy who says he took fin for 2 years and recovered?
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I've emailed the guy who most recently seems to have recovered following the Dr Pezzi method and seeing as he is already in correspondence with Dr Pezzi, sent a link to this thread to ask if he may be able to give some input.

I'm not sure if he will or not, but it sounds like Dr Pezzi has given this guy some assistance just on a goodwill basis, so we'll see what happens. Would be great to get his input!

 

[IHateFin]

Yeah when I first took ru it was 3 days and I took 5adhp with it which I believe primarily acts on prog receptors in the brain and one of the biggest improvements of this cycle was my mood.

 

[wuf]

Also I wanted to point out, it seems depo provera effects MR receptors also very strongly. And I think this is where licorice comes into play. Estrogen raises sodium in the cell. So if sodium is already high , estrogen cant become sensitive.

Licorice lowers aldosterone sensitivity and when you get off, sodium actually falls and estrogen is raised which makes DHT sensitivie

antagonizing or agonizing progesterone can do the same thing. Since progesterone effects potassium. And if potassium is high aldosterone becomes supersensitive and if potassium is low aldosterone becomes super insensitive.

So you can say also that progesterone screw up, effects aldosterone sensitivity afterwards which does not allow DHT to work

I basically outline this connection in the theory before. But I think we need to concentrate on this also.

[mention]gbolduev[/mention]
You say high sodium=high estrogens insensible
I have low sodium so=low estrogens insensible

You say locorise makes sodium to drop and estrogens rise.. I guess this is wrong since you just said the opposite, cause high sodium=high estrogens and not the opposite.
So, how to rise sodium to have high estrogens and sensibilise them?
Plus, we are just speaking about receptors sensitive/insensitive but also the amount of hormones is important and their quantity make you work properly or make you not working properly..
Example low estrogens=low libido. High testosterone=more libido so the whole game is about receptors and hormones' quantities, not only receptors so why you are only focusing on receptors?
Am I wrong?

 

[Aleksandr]

Also I wanted to point out, it seems depo provera effects MR receptors also very strongly. And I think this is where licorice comes into play. Estrogen raises sodium in the cell. So if sodium is already high , estrogen cant become sensitive.

Licorice lowers aldosterone sensitivity and when you get off, sodium actually falls and estrogen is raised which makes DHT sensitivie

antagonizing or agonizing progesterone can do the same thing. Since progesterone effects potassium. And if potassium is high aldosterone becomes supersensitive and if potassium is low aldosterone becomes super insensitive.

So you can say also that progesterone screw up, effects aldosterone sensitivity afterwards which does not allow DHT to work

I basically outline this connection in the theory before. But I think we need to concentrate on this also.

@gbolduev
You say high sodium=high estrogens insensible
I have low sodium so=low estrogens insensible

You say locorise makes sodium to drop and estrogens rise.. I guess this is wrong since you just said the opposite, cause high sodium=high estrogens and not the opposite.
So, how to rise sodium to have high estrogens and sensibilise them?
Plus, we are just speaking about receptors sensitive/insensitive but also the amount of hormones is important and their quantity make you work properly or make you not working properly..
Example low estrogens=low libido. High testosterone=more libido so the whole game is about receptors and hormones' quantities, not only receptors so why you are only focusing on receptors?
Am I wrong?

I would like to hear his response as well since im thinking about starting licoice root. As i understand it;

When he says high sodium, he means in the cell. Hair test.
Estrogen is insensitive (i think this means it can he bigh or low, but it isnt working properly either way).

If you have low sodium in the hair test i think yourr more likely to be case 1 (it seems most people here are case 1)

 

[Helen]

Also I wanted to point out, it seems depo provera effects MR receptors also very strongly. And I think this is where licorice comes into play. Estrogen raises sodium in the cell. So if sodium is already high , estrogen cant become sensitive.

Licorice lowers aldosterone sensitivity and when you get off, sodium actually falls and estrogen is raised which makes DHT sensitivie

antagonizing or agonizing progesterone can do the same thing. Since progesterone effects potassium. And if potassium is high aldosterone becomes supersensitive and if potassium is low aldosterone becomes super insensitive.

So you can say also that progesterone screw up, effects aldosterone sensitivity afterwards which does not allow DHT to work

I basically outline this connection in the theory before. But I think we need to concentrate on this also.

@gbolduev
You say high sodium=high estrogens insensible
I have low sodium so=low estrogens insensible

You say locorise makes sodium to drop and estrogens rise.. I guess this is wrong since you just said the opposite, cause high sodium=high estrogens and not the opposite.
So, how to rise sodium to have high estrogens and sensibilise them?
Plus, we are just speaking about receptors sensitive/insensitive but also the amount of hormones is important and their quantity make you work properly or make you not working properly..
Example low estrogens=low libido. High testosterone=more libido so the whole game is about receptors and hormones' quantities, not only receptors so why you are only focusing on receptors?
Am I wrong?

High sodium does not allow estrogen to get sensitive. When you take licorice , it acts as aldosterone, thus it desensitizes aldosterone. After you come off. your sodium will fall. And this will allow estrogen to get sensitive

 

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Latest update from guy detailed on the first page of this thread (who took finasteride to cure accutane sides) - think he's been off almost 2 weeks now;

Short update:
Still feeling very good. My testosterone is high so I can have sex with no problems but what is even better is that I really want to have sex. When I wake up in the morning my dick is errect till I get to the toilette just like it was before. My mind is clear and my depression is gone. What I have to say is that the effect is not that strong like it was first when I came off but it wasn't even normal. Now I feel totally normal and I don't even care about 7 years wasted in my life if it just will stay the way it is. The only problem I got is with my stomach but I'm not really sure if that is accutane-related. So I hope you guys will find a way to come out of this because its worth it. Keep fighting.

 

[Orion]

Wonder if it will stick, if possible keep us updated of that guy. Thx

 

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I am testing this theory again this week, with a proper longer water fast, and a bigger dose of Prog during. I don't think I applied it right in Aug, and didn't break that fast with proper nutrition.

Just revisited this thread, did you do the repeat water fast?!

 

[Orion]

I am testing this theory again this week, with a proper longer water fast, and a bigger dose of Prog during. I don't think I applied it right in Aug, and didn't break that fast with proper nutrition.

Just revisited this thread, did you do the repeat water fast?!

I am into my Breuss fast now, things going well. Started it with a 7 day water fast and 4 days of 300mg/day Prog. Skin is back to looking great again, and leaning out. Realize know how much BF still needs to go, I suspect it is a potent source of PUFA.

 

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Latest update from this guy who cured himself recently - he's discussed this with his doctor too, and he gave some input;

hey guys first of all I want to let you know that I'm still good and I feel my connection between my brain and my balls again. my size has become 100% normal last week and I'm so happy with that. But what I really want to tell you is that I have contact to a dr. who is a specialist in hormonal problems and I have explained to him what has happened. So yesterday I met him and we had a long conversation about the whole accutane pfs thing. I asked him how it could happen and he had a theory. It was very complicated and I didn't understand everything but I will sum it up. He said that before I took accutane I properly had high sensitive gonadotropin receptors which where the reason I had acne and was sexual overactive. Then I took an androgen blocker so my brain react in producing even more but my body can't use it the way it should so it builds new receptors and overload them with prohormons. Thats the reason my acne did get worse at the beginning of treatment. But at the long run overload receptors don't react more and more which results in death of cells(hes explanaition was hard to understand trust me) so my balls tried to produce testosteron but they can't because they had no stimulation. They began to hurt and shrunk and the body react with producing cortisol and estrogen. I asked why the cycle hasn't normalise natural and he said because the old blocked receptors do not function anymore because your body already has produced new ones and they don't "know" they had died from overload. To my recovery he said that he can't explain it 100% but in his opinion propecia tried to block the receptors who are already blocked or dead and by blocking the receptors the body react by building new receptors in healthy cells.

So the new receptors are not affected from that overload before because my brain didn't produce much the last years. Now the brain reacts and can produce gonadotropin again because of the new healthy receptors. When I stopped the fin there was no blocker and the receptors weren't overloaded so they can function normally. I could write a lot more but my english is not very good. I hope this can help you. Btw. he told me to play with hormons this way is very risky espacially when your young and he said what helped me to recover could fuck somebody up very bad so he don't recommend to take finasterid when youre affected from accutane.

 

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Latest update from this guy who cured himself recently - he's discussed this with his doctor too, and he gave some input;

hey guys first of all I want to let you know that I'm still good and I feel my connection between my brain and my balls again. my size has become 100% normal last week and I'm so happy with that. But what I really want to tell you is that I have contact to a dr. who is a specialist in hormonal problems and I have explained to him what has happened. So yesterday I met him and we had a long conversation about the whole accutane pfs thing. I asked him how it could happen and he had a theory. It was very complicated and I didn't understand everything but I will sum it up. He said that before I took accutane I properly had high sensitive gonadotropin receptors which where the reason I had acne and was sexual overactive. Then I took an androgen blocker so my brain react in producing even more but my body can't use it the way it should so it builds new receptors and overload them with prohormons. Thats the reason my acne did get worse at the beginning of treatment. But at the long run overload receptors don't react more and more which results in death of cells(hes explanaition was hard to understand trust me) so my balls tried to produce testosteron but they can't because they had no stimulation. They began to hurt and shrunk and the body react with producing cortisol and estrogen. I asked why the cycle hasn't normalise natural and he said because the old blocked receptors do not function anymore because your body already has produced new ones and they don't "know" they had died from overload. To my recovery he said that he can't explain it 100% but in his opinion propecia tried to block the receptors who are already blocked or dead and by blocking the receptors the body react by building new receptors in healthy cells.

So the new receptors are not affected from that overload before because my brain didn't produce much the last years. Now the brain reacts and can produce gonadotropin again because of the new healthy receptors. When I stopped the fin there was no blocker and the receptors weren't overloaded so they can function normally. I could write a lot more but my english is not very good. I hope this can help you. Btw. he told me to play with hormons this way is very risky espacially when your young and he said what helped me to recover could fuck somebody up very bad so he don't recommend to take finasterid when youre affected from accutane.

Can't speak to how true that is but it is an interesting angle. More food for thought, IMO. I wonder what that doctor would say about me? I'm convinced that the reason I got pssd from 1 pill is because I had taken anti-depressants in the past. And I also had acne and was kind of sexually overactive! I'd keep the homeopathy angle as a last resort.

 

[Shadow]

This is very interesting!
This part "He said that before I took accutane I properly had high sensitive gonadotropin receptors which where the reason I had acne and was sexual overactive." is quite interesting, maybe another pattern. I was hypersexual, had acne, very oily skin/hair, and male pattern baldness...

Do you know what makes me sad? Its nearly impossible to gather some DRs like this one to help. I bet they could help us uncover even more this mess...

Quick fact:
Some time ago I contacted someone who is pretty famous(for being a genius) and asked him if he could shed some light about pssd, but at that time my belief was that serotonin was the problem, and he couldt help me. After some time I discovered that he worken on RU486 and did a lot of research with it. Now Im thinking about contacting him again.

 

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This is very interesting!
This part "He said that before I took accutane I properly had high sensitive gonadotropin receptors which where the reason I had acne and was sexual overactive." is quite interesting, maybe another pattern. I was hypersexual, had acne, very oily skin/hair, and male pattern baldness...

It's interesting, and this is one of the few cases where a doctor has given their opinion on their theories behind this, so I'm keen to get as much information off this guy as possible!

Anyone fluent in German?! The guy is in Germany, and although his English is good it's not perfect so I don't think he can explain what the doctor said to him in the sort of detail he would like.

Is anyone fluent in German able to help?

 

[expendable]

This is very interesting!
This part "He said that before I took accutane I properly had high sensitive gonadotropin receptors which where the reason I had acne and was sexual overactive." is quite interesting, maybe another pattern. I was hypersexual, had acne, very oily skin/hair, and male pattern baldness...

It's interesting, and this is one of the few cases where a doctor has given their opinion on their theories behind this, so I'm keen to get as much information off this guy as possible!

Anyone fluent in German?! The guy is in Germany, and although his English is good it's not perfect so I don't think he can explain what the doctor said to him in the sort of detail he would like.

Is anyone fluent in German able to help?

Isn't GhostPSSD german? Or am I getting mixed up?

Interesting article on gonadotropin receptors: http://www.glowm.com/section_view/heading/Gonadotropin-releasing%20Hormone%20(GnRH)%20and%20the%20GnRH%20Receptor%20(GnRHR)/item/284

 

[Anonymous]

(kinncrimson from pssdforum is austrian, maybe ha can help)

 

[Jaxx]

At pssd forum, Sulawesi is german, think North as well

 

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Just got another update from the guy on from the first post on this thread - was trying to get some more info from him in more detail (he's in Germany, and speaks pretty good enough, but not perfect enough for him to explain in full detail). Thought I'd post up anyway. He spoke to a doctor regards how he could've recovered from taking finasteride (based on a suggested method to follow);

Hey man sorry for not answering. It's hard for me to do that by writing honestly. If you know someone who speak german you can give him my number and I can explain what I have remembered better. Accually I think the most important things Ihave already written in my Posts. The main thing you have to do is to try to block dht for a longer period. In my Case 1 month was enough in other cases maybe its not. Both dr. Pezzi and thedoc Ispoke to told me the same. Try it NATURAL. They said dont just take finaszerid or other hard pharmas.
Thats only the last option. In my Case it was.
So while you do that and you feel bad like I did dont quit and go back on it thats important he said. If you stop treatment (natural or not) do it only by taper of slowly and if its not helping dont get back on it to soon. Dont forget to take it daily. The german Dr. told me that if you forget to take it 1 day it can fuck you up and he said this was maybe the reason it fucked my system when I took accutane.
Peace

 

[Shadow]

At pssd forum, Sulawesi is german, think North as well

Yes, as far as I know, Sulawesi is german.

 

[Namelk]

Just got another update from the guy on from the first post on this thread - was trying to get some more info from him in more detail (he's in Germany, and speaks pretty good enough, but not perfect enough for him to explain in full detail). Thought I'd post up anyway. He spoke to a doctor regards how he could've recovered from taking finasteride (based on a suggested method to follow);

Hey man sorry for not answering. It's hard for me to do that by writing honestly. If you know someone who speak german you can give him my number and I can explain what I have remembered better. Accually I think the most important things Ihave already written in my Posts. The main thing you have to do is to try to block dht for a longer period. In my Case 1 month was enough in other cases maybe its not. Both dr. Pezzi and thedoc Ispoke to told me the same. Try it NATURAL. They said dont just take finaszerid or other hard pharmas.
Thats only the last option. In my Case it was.
So while you do that and you feel bad like I did dont quit and go back on it thats important he said. If you stop treatment (natural or not) do it only by taper of slowly and if its not helping dont get back on it to soon. Dont forget to take it daily. The german Dr. told me that if you forget to take it 1 day it can fuck you up and he said this was maybe the reason it fucked my system when I took accutane.
Peace

I'm thinking of taking finasteride next month as soon as I get my salary, I'll take it just like this guy who recovered, I also saw him posting on the accutane forum "repairing the long term damage from accutane" when he decided to take it, I've been following the forum for almost 3 years already

 

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I'm thinking of taking finasteride next month as soon as I get my salary, I'll take it just like this guy who recovered, I also saw him posting on the accutane forum "repairing the long term damage from accutane" when he decided to take it, I've been following the forum for almost 3 years already

Yeah I'm pretty tempted to follow the same route, it's great to read that guys recovery! Keep a log on here if you decide to give it a run.

I'm pretty much done with that 'repairing accutane' thread. Too many people telling other people what to do and what not to do, even though they're completely clueless themselves.