An old recovery story. Do we have histamine problems

[joekool]

Estrogen sensitizes the androgen receptors. It's needed for libido And erections. It's why, when taking a strong anti estrogen like Letrozole, you usually end up killing your libido.

L'histidine and it's relationship with that hormone is very eye opening as well as @Helen talk of B vitamins issues in PFS.

 

[bruschi11]

I take about 500mcg of both histidine and serine once or twice a day with meals @Sunny .

 

[Helen]

Estrogen sensitizes the androgen receptors. It's needed for libido And erections. It's why, when taking a strong anti estrogen like Letrozole, you usually end up killing your libido.

L'histidine and it's relationship with that hormone is very eye opening as well as @Helen talk of B vitamins issues in PFS.

YOu should look at this differently. first of all there are 2 types of PFS where one type has tons of estrogen and actually overboard estrogen, which causes high prolactin.

Second type of PFS has low estrogen, since LH is shut down.


If you have low estrogen, taking estrogen will shut you down even more. Estrogen is low since the body shut down the LH< since AR is too sensitive.

This is why for those with low estrogen, you decrease the AR sensitivity and that will TURN on LH and you will get estrogen.

For those with high prolactin. you increase AR sensitivity and this will turn off the LH and this will lower estrogen and thus prolactin.




This is why when receptors are upregulated. taking letro cured people. And those are the only cases when I actually saw adiol go back to normal.


A person took letro for half a year. Felt like shit on it. this downregulated AR> he came off and boom cured.


This is why zinc and manganese cured Raincoast. you feel like shit on it at first. Same as on AI. but after a while this downregulates the AR. and estrogen starts pouring in


I dont know why people try to simplify things and go high and low histamines)) high and low histamines= high and low copper.

And you cant regulates histamines without regulating copper.

Slow oxidizers have high histamine since their copper is not available.

fast oxidizers have low histamine since their copper is availlable and SOD and DAO are overexpressed.



Thing that you feel good on, will always go backwards when you get off. So people are harming themselves by going on things taht they are feeling good on.

 

[Helen]

I take about 500mcg of both histidine and serine once or twice a day with meals @Sunny .

I thought I asked you to take nothing with TEI. Histidine retains calcium in the body))

 

[Area-1255]

I have high histamines most likely and taking cypro makes me depressed and have 0 libido. What’s a better alternative to balancing histamines? @Area-1255

Balancing inflammation?

 

[bruschi11]

I thought I asked you to take nothing with TEI. Histidine retains calcium in the body))

Told you I started working with that woman whose balancing with me with more foods powders (slow oxidizer formula), IVs, colonics these next 4 weeks to get me out of that stuck place. Also Rifing with calcification setting on my own as she says is great idea. Lol I get libido when I use that setting. So it’s obvious calcium huge concern here.

With all the glutathione (IVs) and liposomal- I’ve done a little bit of histidine, serine, tyrosine to keep myself getting depleted of these aminos from the glutathione for the last 6 days.

I could stop the aminos if you’d like.

I’m on a 3 day juice fast with her (so no aminos now, but still colonics and IVs) and after my appointment yesterday I was in sea water for 3-4 hours. Felt great last night and now waking up good. Libido, etc.

After coming up with plan with her, I saw it as essentially “detox for dummies” so I went over that and tried to follow. I know this is what you wanted originally for me, but this time we are doing it without h2 so let’s give it an honest shot I’d say.

Will be done with the heavy detox in 2.5 weeks on 9/1. Again, I can stop those aminos during this time period, but with all glutathione just thought it was best to fill those amino pathways with small amounts.

Your call on what I do with aminos thEse next 2.5 weeks from here.

 

[noprop]

people want to balance histamines in the state with unbalanced redox LOL

It is worthless to raise histamines lower histamines. you need to fix the redox. And then h2 receptors can work. YOu need FAD. without fad DAO does not work. so histamine is NOT ALLOWED

And to get FAD working they need to fix potassium problem. )) since FAD makes NAD which makes progesterone )) and with high progesterone FAD is prohibited

Okay, here we are: getting potassium problem solved. I order to get FAD working and with it other things.
How to solve pot problem?

 

[Troy]

Okay, here we are: getting potassium problem solved. I order to get FAD working and with it other things.
How to solve pot problem?

I think aminos plus potassium @Helen ?

 

[TubZy]

so it looks like the guy took histidine and b6 and then added zinc in later, but many benefits were from histidine and b6, didn't list dosages though for those wondering

 

[Helen]

I think most people recover from PFS never recover from PFS

YOu need to understand that the TURN on in sex can be different . The healthy normal turn on is when you get turned on and you get a buzz going , like a little engine working. And you get a drunk like feeling and time flies. Like 5 min of sex will seem to you like 1 hour. this is what real normal sex is and the turn on. this sex gives the satisfaction which is very healthy and you dont want more. You release full energy . You sleep and you are very healthy.

Histamine sex, is a constant itch and you dont get satisfaction . When you finish, you are ready to start again and again.

this is what PFS people were before FIN. This is already very un balanced state. with very little satisfaction in sex. that is why a lot of these people use sexual enhancers like pot like alchocol to get that feeling of satisfaction . and they all burn out , with FIN or not.

Oversexed people all get PFS and POIS without ever taking finasteride. And the symptoms are identical.

In PFS we know that the body loses zinc and b6 , it is same as pyroluria. And in many cases histidine is very high in blood and in the urine.


The body downregulates B6, and pisses zinc out. And when people take those for pyroluria, it can increase histamines, but it always backfires. since the problem is not there.

I assume the problem is with the FAD or Nadph systems.

I think people with PFS all had very low FAD system before taking FIn, and after taking fin, FIN just completely killed that system. this is why we see on tests 10 out 10 people with low glutathione reductase. This means that FAD is simply not working at all.

Without FAD you cant turn vitamin b6 into active form. And the active form converts histidine into histamine.

This is why all this increasing histamines , doing that doing that. is just worthless.



I think electrolytes protocol run for a while with increased bs and aminos and electrolytes, has a change to restore. this.

 

[Niles]

I think most people recover from PFS never recover from PFS

YOu need to understand that the TURN on in sex can be different . The healthy normal turn on is when you get turned on and you get a buzz going , like a little engine working. And you get a drunk like feeling and time flies. Like 5 min of sex will seem to you like 1 hour. this is what real normal sex is and the turn on. this sex gives the satisfaction which is very healthy and you dont want more. You release full energy . You sleep and you are very healthy.

Histamine sex, is a constant itch and you dont get satisfaction . When you finish, you are ready to start again and again.

this is what PFS people were before FIN. This is already very un balanced state. with very little satisfaction in sex. that is why a lot of these people use sexual enhancers like pot like alchocol to get that feeling of satisfaction . and they all burn out , with FIN or not.

Oversexed people all get PFS and POIS without ever taking finasteride. And the symptoms are identical.

In PFS we know that the body loses zinc and b6 , it is same as pyroluria. And in many cases histidine is very high in blood and in the urine.


The body downregulates B6, and pisses zinc out. And when people take those for pyroluria, it can increase histamines, but it always backfires. since the problem is not there.

I assume the problem is with the FAD or Nadph systems.

I think people with PFS all had very low FAD system before taking FIn, and after taking fin, FIN just completely killed that system. this is why we see on tests 10 out 10 people with low glutathione reductase. This means that FAD is simply not working at all.

Without FAD you cant turn vitamin b6 into active form. And the active form converts histidine into histamine.

This is why all this increasing histamines , doing that doing that. is just worthless.



I think electrolytes protocol run for a while with increased bs and aminos and electrolytes, has a change to restore. this.

Intake of b6 and histadine are both also increased under electrolyte protocol, so wouldn't the electrolyte protocol increase histamine as well? So maybe increasing histamine is not a bad thing, so long as other cofactors for FAD or NADPH systems are covered along with it so that histamine rises as FAD or NADPH balances out?

 

[Helen]

Intake of b6 and histadine are both also increased under electrolyte protocol, so wouldn't the electrolyte protocol increase histamine as well? So maybe increasing histamine is not a bad thing, so long as other cofactors for FAD or NADPH systems are covered along with it so that histamine rises as FAD or NADPH balances out?

histamines will rise or fall depending on your body chemistry.

Slow oxidizier is not the same as fast oxidizer.

Without FAD you cant make methylfolate, without methyfolate you cant break down histamines inside of the cell

DAO is also b6 based along with copper. So without B6 ( FAD ) you wont be able to break down histamine out side of the cell

So when these systems work properly you create histamine and break it down. properly. If these dont work. then your receptors adjust and this is where the problems come.

You can have high histamine symptoms with very low histamine production. and vice versa.


Electrolytes protocol tends to give you everything so you can get out of some problems with redox. And then the concert of potassium histamine NO and androgens glucosteroids starts working

but people want to just give some histidine or b6. It does not work this way. the body could have absorbed it 2o times if it wanted it.

WE see very high histidine values on bloods and urine analysis. ( check out talkingant and barbarr tests)

B6 is very high in blood also. I have tested it and since I am in PFS state now, mine is 2.5 times over the limit. It is simply not working. and not being coverted to active forms/

 

[barbaar]

I think most people recover from PFS never recover from PFS

YOu need to understand that the TURN on in sex can be different . The healthy normal turn on is when you get turned on and you get a buzz going , like a little engine working. And you get a drunk like feeling and time flies. Like 5 min of sex will seem to you like 1 hour. this is what real normal sex is and the turn on. this sex gives the satisfaction which is very healthy and you dont want more. You release full energy . You sleep and you are very healthy.

Histamine sex, is a constant itch and you dont get satisfaction . When you finish, you are ready to start again and again.

this is what PFS people were before FIN. This is already very un balanced state. with very little satisfaction in sex. that is why a lot of these people use sexual enhancers like pot like alchocol to get that feeling of satisfaction . and they all burn out , with FIN or not.

That first part sounds like me before my fatigue/lethargy problems kicked in (way before PSSD). The second part is me right before PSSD. I think this theory holds for PSSD too.

 

[Niles]

That first part sounds like me before my fatigue/lethargy problems kicked in (way before PSSD). The second part is me right before PSSD. I think this theory holds for PSSD too.

Before PFS I was also one of those people for whom sex had become less fulfilling - orgasms weren't as intense, I was no longer losing myself in it, and I was abusing it as a quick fix for boredom, anxiety, depression, etc.

Weirdly, now that I have PFS with ED and very low libido, orgasms feel like they did when I was 17. VERY intense, and afterwards I have almost an opiate type feeling that lasts maybe 15min (happy, relaxed, buzzing all over, completely stress-free, and sleepy). It's strange, because a lot of people with PFS report feeling less pleasurable orgasms, but for me it's the exact opposite.

 

[noprop]

histamines will rise or fall depending on your body chemistry.

Slow oxidizier is not the same as fast oxidizer.

Without FAD you cant make methylfolate, without methyfolate you cant break down histamines inside of the cell

DAO is also b6 based along with copper. So without B6 ( FAD ) you wont be able to break down histamine out side of the cell

So when these systems work properly you create histamine and break it down. properly. If these dont work. then your receptors adjust and this is where the problems come.

You can have high histamine symptoms with very low histamine production. and vice versa.


Electrolytes protocol tends to give you everything so you can get out of some problems with redox. And then the concert of potassium histamine NO and androgens glucosteroids starts working

but people want to just give some histidine or b6. It does not work this way. the body could have absorbed it 2o times if it wanted it.

WE see very high histidine values on bloods and urine analysis. ( check out talkingant and barbarr tests)

B6 is very high in blood also. I have tested it and since I am in PFS state now, mine is 2.5 times over the limit. It is simply not working. and not being coverted to active forms/

Okay, so FAD can be restored through the electrolyte protocol. Checking that.

 

[tonysoprano]

Before PFS I was also one of those people for whom sex had become less fulfilling - orgasms weren't as intense, I was no longer losing myself in it, and I was abusing it as a quick fix for boredom, anxiety, depression, etc.

Weirdly, now that I have PFS with ED and very low libido, orgasms feel like they did when I was 17. VERY intense, and afterwards I have almost an opiate type feeling that lasts maybe 15min (happy, relaxed, buzzing all over, completely stress-free, and sleepy). It's strange, because a lot of people with PFS report feeling less pleasurable orgasms, but for me it's the exact opposite.

Same!

 

[Helen]

Before PFS I was also one of those people for whom sex had become less fulfilling - orgasms weren't as intense, I was no longer losing myself in it, and I was abusing it as a quick fix for boredom, anxiety, depression, etc.

Weirdly, now that I have PFS with ED and very low libido, orgasms feel like they did when I was 17. VERY intense, and afterwards I have almost an opiate type feeling that lasts maybe 15min (happy, relaxed, buzzing all over, completely stress-free, and sleepy). It's strange, because a lot of people with PFS report feeling less pleasurable orgasms, but for me it's the exact opposite.

the funny part is how do you orgasm with low libido and ED? LOL

this is what I am talking bout. people talking about low libido but manage to orgasm with the ED and low libido.)) daily))

I know one guy , who is sick with POIS for 15 years. He does it 5-8 times a day, he cant stop. he never took any drug, and he has PFS symptoms.

He has total ED, and his nitric oxide is not working already. And his hair is falling out like crazy, but he is still going at it. He has severe histamine reactions and crazy POIS

This guy simply cant stop. He tells me he orgasms even without an erection.

Nothing will help this guy. Since the body is not made to do it 8 times a day or 5 for long periods of times. No minerals and nothing will help.

This is why most people want to recover to get back to the same state as before. All of you should realize that you would crash with FIN or not in that state. if you keep overdoing it.

 

[noprop]

the funny part is how do you orgasm with low libido and ED? LOL

this is what I am talking bout. people talking about low libido but manage to orgasm with the ED and low libido.)) daily))

Sorry, what? Permanent stimulation is something else than being aroused other ways. The crazy thing is obviously not having libido but getting erections. We also must outline that guys can gave pudendal nerve issues. Then it is also about nerve repairing supps. How do you explain pudendal nerve issues?

 

[Stud]

@Area-1255 can DHT increase histamine. because ever since I take it exept for the beginning i feel euphoric, hypersexual, and a workoholic (now not doing labour jobs but having a big drive to de research and shit. i gues it can trough raising insulin or lowering serotonin maybe? any other mechanisms?

 

[Nina]

the funny part is how do you orgasm with low libido and ED? LOL

this is what I am talking bout. people talking about low libido but manage to orgasm with the ED and low libido.)) daily))

I know one guy , who is sick with POIS for 15 years. He does it 5-8 times a day, he cant stop. he never took any drug, and he has PFS symptoms.

He has total ED, and his nitric oxide is not working already. And his hair is falling out like crazy, but he is still going at it. He has severe histamine reactions and crazy POIS

This guy simply cant stop. He tells me he orgasms even without an erection.

Nothing will help this guy. Since the body is not made to do it 8 times a day or 5 for long periods of times. No minerals and nothing will help.

This is why most people want to recover to get back to the same state as before. All of you should realize that you would crash with FIN or not in that state. if you keep overdoing it.

How much sex do you think is OK when in relationship?