Anything that’s effective for reducing anger?

[Nobody]

I was just wondering if anybody would be willing to share info with me about this.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Eat enough food. Quality food. For me diet high in red meat (fat+protein) w/ some salt and low-medium carbs (rice) on non workout days make me calm and satisfied. Steady energy all day. Do not eat too much simple sugar. It never makes me feel good. Maybe a piece of fruit or two.

I am angry when I eat shit food or not enough food.

Caffeine also makes me more aggressive and quick to anger. Cutting it out helps.

Seeing how most people eat grains all day with very little protein and fat I can see how this affects your mental wellbeing and cause anger. You are pretty much starving yourself at that point. Especially if you are young and active. Nutritious food = key to feeling good IMO.

Instead of eating food that contain little nutrients. Eat highly nutritious food. And you will be less hungry and less angry. That is my hypothesis.

Get good sleep.

Stop reading negative shit like mainstream news.

Good luck.

 

[MNK99]

-Not sure, for me... gotta be alone for a bit, then return calm.
-Working on it. Some things kind of help but exacerbate other problems at least in the immediate few hours following them.
-Also, I'm in a house rite now and usually I'm downtown in a bigger city (which is also agitating, but far preferred), and that pisses me off.
-News is on all the time, I usually play my music to help concentrate/ work.... but I keep forgetting lately.
-I'm hypersensitive to literally almost any noise lately, especially after taking some cbd/thc. An hour later, mostly relaxed but it's bad for focus, so sometimes, I take alpha-gpc, or a tiny dose of lithium 0.2-0.4 mg, I'm not proposing that for the vast majority of people, I'm just saying. Coffee... small doses seem fine, but I habitually would drink it, if I didn't have better stimulants... it doesnt really cut it for me, anyways but does help my standard routine.
-I eat nearly zero grains ever (once in a while get super hungry and eat whatever I see), or lactose etc. But finding other ways to add carbs to bring up total calories, and I believe help serotonin, helps my mood a bit, but not a ton. Usually low carbs, med hi fat, hi protein... sometime I lower fat and have low-med carbs, med fat, med-hi protein.... and I am not sure if either change mood a lot....... Eating crap would def make it worse, as having bad digestion and wasting time in the morning will be irritating for me.
-walking, music, stuff like that. Working out a bit. BUT, I'm aggressive pre and most of gym, then nicer/calmer after.... BUt I'm not certain, bc I worked out like every day, miss a day, and am agitated a bit... BUT* agitation comes and goes for me anyways.
-I tried some other nootropics, but I think most will be dangerous if used daily.... and you need to slowly load them and or cancel them out with racetams. That sounds like a mess.... Not for a lot of people, hence not mentioning it.

-I think in general I need like a perfect work space for me... and maybe tv on or music in the distance (white noise).... and a window open/ cool air ideally.
-When people come home, I \can literally hear the tv from outside and I'm paying attention to like multiple conversations and even noises outside it's worse with marijuana temporarily (only taking that for mood, but I see it's bad for racing thoughts, etc... so bare minimum for me). Also not suggesting that, I have comorbid things going on.

 

[aztec]

@Nobody hit a punching bag with gloves on daily for a few minutes at a time and problem solved. Plus it’s a great workout

 

[Area-1255]

Anger is based on Norepinephrine/Noradrenaline levels [Siegel and Victoroff, 2009] [Reference], lower Norepinephrine and you *SHOULD* be less Angry.
Focus on Magnesium intake. Also focus on inhibiting Dopamine-Beta-Hydroxylase; L-5-Methylfolate, Zinc, Vitamin C and in general, reducing STRESS.
1.) Brain Chemicals Involved In Aggression Identified: May Lead To New Treatments (Science Daily)
2.)Aggressive behavior and three neurotransmitters: dopamine, GABA, and serotonin–a review of the last 10 years. (APA PsychNet)
Rodrigo Narvaes, Rosa Maria Martins de Almeida
3.) ---Norepinephrine Overview---

 

[MNK99]

I was going to mention this,
For sure more likely to be more angry
Irrationally (to a higher level than warranted), soon after marijuana kicks in, BC it increases serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine. Lithium if anything may make d2 agonists like Dexedrine more selective for Dopamine, as it takes off the edge of that norepinephrine. Or maybe it's something else (high doses would block most things, acc to people on prescription doses).

But probably I'd be angrier on Adderall than dex, and that makes sense as adderall's inclusion of l-ampetamine, stimulates norepinephrine and therefore it's less of a pure (mostly) dopamine releaser when compared to d-amp. The norepinephrine aids more agitation, just like with other things. But also, can help be more motivational (like Adderall is less chilled and laid back, more forceful to GTD right now). So some need to play around with other things like nicotine (which most hyperactives use anyways), or something else keeping neurotransmitters in the synapse (and not letting them clear), longer. Some do this with pseudofed /ephedrine, etc. Not recommending, just mentioning.


Strong NRi and Norepinephrine Releasers do make my agitation worse. Probably to very dangerous lvls on and off effexor -when it was ceased.(snri at higher doses, but supposedly that is only an SSRI, acc. To some research/annecdotes, on H/S).


Possibly why first pdoc put me on Seroquel, tho her notes indicate "manic SX", so something obvious to her,at some point was amiss. Perhaps why Zoloft/other drugs were trialled (quit all cold turkey / forgot to take em, also not recommended).


Several things mentioned are likely thought to be biphasic in response to dosing.

For sure, norepinephrine plays a major role in agitation/anger.


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Sidenotes:

-Bad with Ritalin. Tried again, not sure.... maybe not as bad but useless or not as useful as it should be.
-Felt like I was dying / something bad on vyvanse,
-Fine with Dexedrine - BUT better with something else in conjunction with it... what that is, varies.... and I try and keep it safe.
-Fine with C17H21NO4, this is a horrible drug for hard classes though. AND obviously addictive. And never the same again. And I'm over it since early 20's.
-Adderall, AMAZING day 1 or so. Day 2 major shed (NE, higher peripheral nervous system effects as I said tons here). -Not that useful later.

-Makes sense considering which of these are NRI and DRI, vs. D-agonists, and which stimulate other neurotransmitters. Ritalin (DA and NE reuptake inhibitor?), Ethylphenidate more selective for DA than NE vs. Ritalin? ANd C17H21NO4 is a DRI with other Reinforcement properties. Also preferred by rats over D1 and D2 agonists.
-need to plan what to do before I take any stimulant and follow a rigid routine for at least 21 days. Mostly I do, but tinest other thing/ change in schedule upsets it a bit.
-with deadlines, self-enforced and mandatory, better.

 

[Area-1255]

I was going to mention this,
For sure more likely to be more angry
Irrationally (to a higher level than warranted), soon after marijuana kicks in, BC it increases serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine. Lithium if anything may make d2 agonists like Dexedrine more selective for Dopamine, as it takes off the edge of that norepinephrine. Or maybe it's something else (high doses would block most things, acc to people on prescription doses).

But probably I'd be angrier on Adderall than dex, and that makes sense as adderall's inclusion of l-ampetamine, stimulates norepinephrine and therefore it's less of a pure (mostly) dopamine releaser when compared to d-amp. The norepinephrine aids more agitation, just like with other things. But also, can help be more motivational (like Adderall is less chilled and laid back, more forceful to GTD right now). So some need to play around with other things like nicotine (which most hyperactives use anyways), or something else keeping neurotransmitters in the synapse (and not letting them clear), longer. Some do this with pseudofed /ephedrine, etc. Not recommending, just mentioning.


Strong NRi and Norepinephrine Releasers do make my agitation worse. Probably to very dangerous lvls on and off effexor -when it was ceased.(snri at higher doses, but supposedly that is only an SSRI, acc. To some research/annecdotes, on H/S).


Possibly why first pdoc put me on Seroquel, tho her notes indicate "manic SX", so something obvious to her,at some point was amiss. Perhaps why Zoloft/other drugs were trialled (quit all cold turkey / forgot to take em, also not recommended).


Several things mentioned are likely thought to be biphasic in response to dosing.

Yes, Intermittent Explosive Disorder [IED] is characterized by ELEVATED Norepinephrine[1][2] [3] and low Serotonin [4]. Its one of the worst Anger disorders.
High levels of inflammation leads to Aggressive Behavior in some individuals [SOURCE].
When you "fly into a Rage" that's Norepinephrine talking, and that beat-red face you might get and swelling Anger is pretty much all Norepinephrine [5] and that is evidenced by the Heightened heart rate and environmental stimulation and constant arousal produced by Anger [6].

 

[Nobody]

@Nobody hit a punching bag with gloves on daily for a few minutes at a time and problem solved. Plus it’s a great workout

unfortunately this will not work, I have extreme anger that is likely due to some sort of mental issue

I'm going to start meditating soon, hopefully that will help t some degree.

Anger is based on Norepinephrine/Noradrenaline levels [Siegel and Victoroff, 2009] [Reference], lower Norepinephrine and you *SHOULD* be less Angry.
Focus on Magnesium intake. Also focus on inhibiting Dopamine-Beta-Hydroxylase; L-5-Methylfolate, Zinc, Vitamin C and in general, reducing STRESS.
1.)Brain Chemicals Involved In Aggression Identified: May Lead To New Treatments (Science Daily)
2.)Aggressive behavior and three neurotransmitters: dopamine, GABA, and serotonin–a review of the last 10 years. (APA PsychNet)
Rodrigo Narvaes, Rosa Maria Martins de Almeida
3.)---Norepinephrine Overview---

Thanks, I've heard things about norepinephrine before.

 

[MNK99]

And yes, Mg helps a ton.
But I lose some wakefulness (often a good thing for me health wise but not feeling as sharp/awake).

Meditating, going late to events in which there will be annoying people helps too.

 

[Area-1255]

Also one of the ways antipsychotics like Risperidone and Haloperidol reduce Aggression in Psychotic patients is via Strong Alpha-1-adrenergic Blockade...although 5-HT2A and D2 blockade also plays a role.

 

[pedal]

Daily exercise especially a punching bag helps. It's not athletes who are angry people it's students and office dorks.

 

[Area-1255]

Daily exercise especially a punching bag helps. It's not athletes who are angry people it's students and office dorks.

CEO's are too Rich to be Angry.

 

[IHateFin]

Honestly man I have been having mad anger issues (pun intended) I think it's just due to lack of conversion of or insensativity to dht. I never used to be like this :/

 

[pedal]

CEO's are too Rich to be Angry.

Yep but it depends because bosses who aren't rich are some of the angriest people. The smug bosses know better than to damage their health by stressing out for something of no importance, when life is good you want to stay young you don't want to shorten it. Did you notice they are only in their office a few hours day and at their desk less than 1 hour, their secretary always says they're out to lunch or out on "business", which means at the gym or going on vacation to get a tan, while the people under them are stuck watching their lives go by through a window.

 

[Aleksandr]

Have you done a hair test? I imagine anger could be associated with fast oxidation. When i take ginseng or licorice root i get insane anger and it raises sodium

 

[pedal]

Honestly man I have been having mad anger issues (pun intended) I think it's just due to lack of conversion of or insensativity to dht. I never used to be like this :/

I had a big personality change when I crashed. I was very grumpy and angry around the clock for no reason, and I lost any ability to be happy. I used to be kind and wouldn't get angry over anything. I also noticed I was experiencing hormonal changes which were causing emotionality like a PMS'ing woman and getting annoyed easily was part of that but I'm not sure what the anger is caused by, probably brain chemistry.

To this day I get the urge to punch people for no reason, and I get the urge to walk with my fists closed like an angry gorilla. I think in part this has to do with being drained sexually (like the reduction of semen) because my symptoms are the same as chronic masturbators except even more extreme, and I'm sure not having real sex with a woman also prevents me from getting some positive energy which would cut down on the anger.

 

[Canari]

Anger is based on Norepinephrine/Noradrenaline levels [Siegel and Victoroff, 2009] [Reference], lower Norepinephrine and you *SHOULD* be less Angry.
Focus on Magnesium intake. Also focus on inhibiting Dopamine-Beta-Hydroxylase; L-5-Methylfolate, Zinc, Vitamin C and in general, reducing STRESS.
1.)Brain Chemicals Involved In Aggression Identified: May Lead To New Treatments (Science Daily)
2.)Aggressive behavior and three neurotransmitters: dopamine, GABA, and serotonin–a review of the last 10 years. (APA PsychNet)
Rodrigo Narvaes, Rosa Maria Martins de Almeida
3.)---Norepinephrine Overview---

Right, then what causes the endocrine system to get fired? The autonomic nervous system! This is the electric wiring sytem of our body.

 

[Canari]

All that has been said in this thread is focusing on the triggers and there is a deeper cause. They do not want to let you know about the nervous system because that would give you freedom! How else do you explain that the chief system of the body is dismissed that much?

If somebody tells you that his house gets wet when it rains.... and you kindly answer that he should repair the roof.... what do you think if the person answer to you: "it is not the roof, it is the rain! When it does not rain, there is no problem." ...

Our body has ways to hide the fight responses that are at the root of anger, so of course you notice anger when something is triggering. If you punch, yes it releases some steam and pressure, but the pressure comes back.

I have written about this in the stress management forum... and shared videos from Irene Lyon. I admit that if you do not spend some time to understand the science behind this, you will find hard to apply the practical tips, as this is all about HOW you do it.

 

[Canari]

Have you done a hair test? I imagine anger could be associated with fast oxidation. When i take ginseng or licorice root i get insane anger and it raises sodium

I thank you for having indicated to me the nutritionnal balance group... have you read a recent topic where we shared about working with those 3 pilars at the same time : NB + bodywork + Somatic Experiencing?

Several members of this group have done Irene Lyon's program. It does not work overnight, but I have seen some very bog shifts, and everybody gets better. Many have resistances and procrastination about the program, because it sucks to have to do it alone, as human support is the best help (we would not be in forums if we did not know this! Or if we could get enough support around us!)

The admin of the group told me that she started to have results with NB when she also started to have regular SE sessions. And she is a htma practitionner!

 

[noprop]

I got a very practical hint as the guys before killed it with immense know-how power. Go for Bob Ross on ytube. Incredibly relaxing.
If there is no other way, play some drums for 20-60 min.and kill it. Or go to a death metal band. I am sure the actual singer will be replaced...