Are we losing steam in finding cures?

Tar

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you need to understand . that if you have low glutathione and toxic in stuff. ( autistic)

of course lowering oxidation will help to feel better.

like going keto. like going low pufa.

like avoiding stress and EMS stress. etc.

I can also give you gaziillion supplements based on your hairtest which will make yu feel btter.

I can patch up your metabolism with drugs, and you will feel so much better it s not even funny.

this is a little different.. than what TEI is.

in fact it has nothing to do with it.


since TEI tries to fix the underlining problem, and that takes years.

of course it would be much easier for them to just patch people up.

but that is not what they are.

This is why for people who wnat to feel better. HTMA is not the way to go. at least for 2 years.

and autistic people like you ? that would take forever.

Thus I agree, you can patch yourself up by avoiding trouble knowing that your glutathione is down.

Sure I could do that too. I took Lisuride a couple times, felt amazing on it. I could load up and feel great, probably for a few years until I crashed.

You are missing my point though. Again, this is my opinion from my experience with this stuff. I am sure you could push my hormones and mood alllll around. I do not think the generalized direction you head in when you focus on HTMA is all that great. People improve, they get value, all that, yes. But there is so much better out there to prioritize. Life is short, and spending 15, 10, or even 5 years feeling bad with the hopes that you will detox enough to find some mythical cure...because that is really what HTMA is selling: detox long enough and you'll cure what was wrong with you as a child...it's deep man! I think it's a sales pitch.

After being in this industry for awhile, you see things that really work. Things that work really well do not stay secret for very long. Word travels FAST when things are effective. HTMA has been out for decades and its following has always been a small set of zealots and practitioners promising the world. Where are the forums full of cured people?

For example. If someone lives under a cell tower, or in an apartment with 12+ smart meters next to where they sleep...I bet you could take all the HTMA advice ever given on this forum, and every other forum, and it still would not give the same value as just moving out of that apartment into somewhere which was low EMF.

That is what happen to me. I was happy in my apartment and they installed 11 smart meters behind my kitchen and I went insane for a few months until I figured it out. Now I live in a low EMF area. Is that a patch? Yeah, but I say, bring on the patches. I am not autistic anymore...a low vitamin A diet gave me back the ability to think. A Patch? You bet, but I will happily eat that way forever to keep my brain. Patch people up so they can start living and not detoxing to live. Life is really awesome when you can live, an absolute adventure of struggle and triumph....and you CAN live, but not if you are following a 10 year plan that has chalked up the next 5 years to deep depression through "detox"
 

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I think it is good to hear other side stories from people who did HTMA. @Tar

TEI def got me out of a hole so it worked for me. After using AAS to try fix PFS it seems my mind became more unstable maybe from copper toxicity or something else. Also I got vaccinated in PFS when I fell on my head with tetanus which contains mercury. I am still fucked up to be honest. I just did not know how bad it was since I had so extreme brainfog it is a wonder I was still going to work and doing stuff.

The only bad thing on TEI is sometimes my libido is completely gone for days to weeks. It is scary. Then all of a sudden the next cycle it comes back. Or it comes back after stopping the supplements. This fucks with my head sometimes.

It is summer, tits are out and people get a bit impatient.

I am giving TEI a good chance. At least a year. Worth a shot. If I get good results (already pretty good up till now) I stay with it. If not then there are other options. I don't want to quit something knowing it could potentially fix the issues.

I think Dr. Wilson is a wacko and everybody here seems to agree on that. I think the problem with him is he developed a lifestyle and religion around it. Instead of just presenting it as a tool to use. The practitioners at least the Dutch ones here are also not very smart and don't know much about it.

That is pretty cool that it got you out of the shit. Right on.
 

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That is what happen to me. I was happy in my apartment and they installed 11 smart meters behind my kitchen and I went insane for a few months until I figured it out. Now I live in a low EMF area. Is that a patch? Yeah, but I say, bring on the patches. I am not autistic anymore...a low vitamin A diet gave me back the ability to think. A Patch? You bet, but I will happily eat that way forever to keep my brain. Patch people up so they can start living and not detoxing to live. Life is really awesome when you can live, an absolute adventure of struggle and triumph....and you CAN live, but not if you are following a 10 year plan that has chalked up the next 5 years to deep depression through "detox"

What you don’t realize is that HTMA can be utilized in this type of manner . As a patch. A patch that pushes you the right way.

Just feeding correct nutrients in correct direction. You don’t have to take bunch of pills everyday. You can eat towards your oxidation, supplement some minerals 2-3 times a week. And just push the body in the correct direction to optimize oxidation for a given person.

And then on the other side of spectrum- you utilize other forms of alternative health with it. For instance, organic acids testing is extremely valuable to look at for anyone with health issues. People can certainly utilize this type of testing to optimize health, microbiome.

And then there are the tricks to help you out of this scary world we live in. Like getting away from internet signals like you said. Like getting a lot of sunlight. Staying away from blue light at night. Like cold showers, like sauna, like exercise, like finding ways to balance immune system (TH1/TH2 balancing great), like making gut flora incredible with fasting and strategic ways of getting good flora to large intestine.

For instance, I’m a mercury case in the hair test world. Chelation will take a long time running minerals. And my immune system is going to be constantly off from the mercury. Well I’ve found ways to balance my immune system with herbals, transfer factors, probiotics and when in really bad spots or fasts maybe a little urine therapy (I use injection).

Rife machines, laser therapy, coffee enemas, sauna, liver flushes... all other great things to push body right way. Short fasts or long. Heck, nutmilk fasts for a fast oxidizer lol.

There are so many ways to further your health in the year 2019... but HTMA can be utilized incredible in the midst of all this. If it’s not #1, it’s up there in the top 5 in the toolbox in how to evaluate fixing a human being.
 
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That is pretty cool that it got you out of the shit. Right on.
Tei has helped me so much also. I have never tried arl but tei seems stronger and faster than arl. Also tei focus on supps and diet were arl want you to also focus on detoxing ( coffee enamas, saunas, ect..). Iny opinion this is to much and messes with your hair test.

When you were on nutritional balancing did you take the recommended supps or run your own program?

We have two protocols that we have proven cures from, which is cdnuts and nutritional balancing ( tei and arl). The point of this forum now is to speed up the process and learn the root cause of all illnesses.

if we can understand how to get anyone out of pfs that basically means we understand the true cause or causes of all illnesses.
 

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What you don’t realize is that HTMA can be utilized in this type of manner . As a patch. A patch that pushes you the right way.

Just feeding correct nutrients in correct direction. You don’t have to take bunch of pills everyday. You can eat towards your oxidation, supplement some minerals 2-3 times a week. And just push the body in the correct direction to optimize oxidation for a given person.

And then on the other side of spectrum- you utilize other forms of alternative health with it. For instance, organic acids testing is extremely valuable to look at for anyone with health issues. People can certainly utilize this type of testing to optimize health, microbiome.

And then there are the tricks to help you out of this scary world we live in. Like getting away from internet signals like you said. Like getting a lot of sunlight. Staying away from blue light at night. Like cold showers, like sauna, like exercise, like finding ways to balance immune system (TH1/TH2 balancing great), like making gut flora incredible with fasting and strategic ways of getting good flora to large intestine.

For instance, I’m a mercury case in the hair test world. Chelation will take a long time running minerals. And my immune system is going to be constantly off from the mercury. Well I’ve found ways to balance my immune system with herbals, transfer factors, probiotics and when in really bad spots or fasts maybe a little urine therapy (I use injection).

Rife machines, laser therapy, coffee enemas, sauna, liver flushes... all other great things to push body right way. Short fasts or long. Heck, nutmilk fasts for a fast oxidizer lol.

There are so many ways to further your health in the year 2019... but HTMA can be utilized incredible in the midst of all this. If it’s not #1, it’s up there in the top 5 in the toolbox in how to evaluate fixing a human being.

No I do get it. I hear ya that HTMA is a tool and you can use it to change things for yourself. I just think its a crappy tool compared to what else is out there. I keep emphasizing that this is my opinion based on my 8 years of experience. Really tough to transfer to you what I have seen. It is okay if you like it. Stick with it and in 10 years maybe you'll be showing me how wrong I was, I would love that. I like the idea of TEI and ARL. I wish they worked well and I could tinker with it every couple months, maybe get some patients who I advise on their hair tests and bring the gift of health to them. I think that would be great. I have not seen the results though, and until I do, I go by my experience and what I have seen.

Tei has helped me so much also. I have never tried arl but tei seems stronger and faster than arl. Also tei focus on supps and diet were arl want you to also focus on detoxing ( coffee enamas, saunas, ect..). Iny opinion this is to much and messes with your hair test.

When you were on nutritional balancing did you take the recommended supps or run your own program?

We have two protocols that we have proven cures from, which is cdnuts and nutritional balancing ( tei and arl). The point of this forum now is to speed up the process and learn the root cause of all illnesses.

if we can understand how to get anyone out of pfs that basically means we understand the true cause or causes of all illnesses.
It does seem like TEI works better then ARL. I did take the recommended supplements although at that time I was quite sensitive so often when it would say to take 6 pills of something a day I might take 2. I still got my ratios looking good and was detoxing mercury and arsenic out on my last few tests. I really wish you the best of luck on finding the root cause of things. I read posts here from time to time to see what people are excited about.
 

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No I do get it. I hear ya that HTMA is a tool and you can use it to change things for yourself. I just think its a crappy tool compared to what else is out there. I keep emphasizing that this is my opinion based on my 8 years of experience. Really tough to transfer to you what I have seen. It is okay if you like it. Stick with it and in 10 years maybe you'll be showing me how wrong I was, I would love that. I like the idea of TEI and ARL. I wish they worked well and I could tinker with it every couple months, maybe get some patients who I advise on their hair tests and bring the gift of health to them. I think that would be great. I have not seen the results though, and until I do, I go by my experience and what I have seen.

I’m about 8 years in too. It’s been an interesting journey and I’m glad you’ve found something that has made you go, because the ability to go we both know is just incredible really.

But I’m learning the failures and successes I had in the earlier years and how HTMA influenced them. It’s just very interesting to look back and have an understanding as to what happened from that biochemical perspective.

Ya know, something made my body work extremely well during my good times. Nutrition and balancing the (end product) hormones were a part of it, I was sure of that. My best of times were before HTMA and my worst.
But HTMA seems to give me an explanation for the many different ups and downs I’ve encountered.

It just gets more and more interesting really. Esspecially when it’s helping you get better and the body is changing pretty quickly. And you’re able to do the 2+2s to understand why it’s happening. That’s kind of where I’m at now.
 
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No I do get it. I hear ya that HTMA is a tool and you can use it to change things for yourself. I just think its a crappy tool compared to what else is out there. I keep emphasizing that this is my opinion based on my 8 years of experience. Really tough to transfer to you what I have seen. It is okay if you like it. Stick with it and in 10 years maybe you'll be showing me how wrong I was, I would love that. I like the idea of TEI and ARL. I wish they worked well and I could tinker with it every couple months, maybe get some patients who I advise on their hair tests and bring the gift of health to them. I think that would be great. I have not seen the results though, and until I do, I go by my experience and what I have seen.


It does seem like TEI works better then ARL. I did take the recommended supplements although at that time I was quite sensitive so often when it would say to take 6 pills of something a day I might take 2. I still got my ratios looking good and was detoxing mercury and arsenic out on my last few tests. I really wish you the best of luck on finding the root cause of things. I read posts here from time to time to see what people are excited about.

There's so many things to take into consideration here. How old are you? What were your reasons for doing ARL in the first place? Were you active before during and after ARL? Most guys I find who aren't pleased with HTMA are guys who don't follow the program correctly.
I see guys jumping from ARL to TEI which dr eck said not to do. I see guys not taking the supps or adding in random things or not taking part of the supp program all of which he also said not to do.

You know he even says how you need to work past your traumas internally on your own or you won't work past certain mineral patterns which is something I haven't even seen talked about on the forum yet so...gotta develop some sort of self awareness ya know.

As for myself I am only 1 month into my first hairtest and my sleep has dramatically improved like I'm almost lucid in every dream I have my sleep is so deep. For the first time in current memory I am actually waking up refreshed. My ability to socialize comfortably has improved although I always had a I don't give a fcuk attitude but oh well. My hard on's have come back and length has returned to normal. My desire to go out and chase pussy is already coming back. Other mental aspects have improved for me as well and continue to do so.

But at the same time I am taking full dosages everyday and I have yet to jump to another program which I'm not going to do. Also being in the military I have to work out 2+ times a day everyday so that might have something to do with it. Also I practice tantra so I haven't had an ejaculatory orgasm in a year almost so that might have something to do with my positives too. I've also been stone cold sober for three years since drug addiction and Zoloft.

But who knows it could be placebo at this point also there's just so many variables to consider with each Individuals experience.
 

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Also another thing to consider about TEI is the fact that you can down 100mg+ Of zinc daily and be good to go. Go ahead and take just 100mg of zinc daily without anything else... You'll probably develope some sort of psychosis lol atleast I know before TEI I was very sensitive to that sort of stuff. Was very mentally fragile. Couldn't leave my house most days. Not anymore though. I'm looking back and wondering what the hell was my problem now.
 

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Sure I could do that too. I took Lisuride a couple times, felt amazing on it. I could load up and feel great, probably for a few years until I crashed.

You are missing my point though. Again, this is my opinion from my experience with this stuff. I am sure you could push my hormones and mood alllll around. I do not think the generalized direction you head in when you focus on HTMA is all that great. People improve, they get value, all that, yes. But there is so much better out there to prioritize. Life is short, and spending 15, 10, or even 5 years feeling bad with the hopes that you will detox enough to find some mythical cure...because that is really what HTMA is selling: detox long enough and you'll cure what was wrong with you as a child...it's deep man! I think it's a sales pitch.

After being in this industry for awhile, you see things that really work. Things that work really well do not stay secret for very long. Word travels FAST when things are effective. HTMA has been out for decades and its following has always been a small set of zealots and practitioners promising the world. Where are the forums full of cured people?

For example. If someone lives under a cell tower, or in an apartment with 12+ smart meters next to where they sleep...I bet you could take all the HTMA advice ever given on this forum, and every other forum, and it still would not give the same value as just moving out of that apartment into somewhere which was low EMF.

That is what happen to me. I was happy in my apartment and they installed 11 smart meters behind my kitchen and I went insane for a few months until I figured it out. Now I live in a low EMF area. Is that a patch? Yeah, but I say, bring on the patches. I am not autistic anymore...a low vitamin A diet gave me back the ability to think. A Patch? You bet, but I will happily eat that way forever to keep my brain. Patch people up so they can start living and not detoxing to live. Life is really awesome when you can live, an absolute adventure of struggle and triumph....and you CAN live, but not if you are following a 10 year plan that has chalked up the next 5 years to deep depression through "detox"



what are you even talking about. this forum is not about TEI or ARL( is not rec'd here at all and especially Dr Wilson) . it is about trying things.

We are doing low vitamin A and all other stuff here. that you are talking about. People go on raw meat high meat and keto. to kill oxidation

As far as TEI is concerned I have 20 people in my skype who are on it for more than 5 years. and they are cured, so I talk from experience, you talk from misunderstanding what HTMA is since you still dont get what they are.


I use HTMA to see body chemistry, that is what I use it for. It is like a comprehensive bloodtest, what do you mean it is not a tool.

It is the best tool I found for myself to see what is going with me and help me during detox and chelation.

it is the tool that shows you where your stress is coming from, but you need to know how to read it.

People are different and their metabolism and toxicities are different. they are not helped by one thing, so secrets travelling in health industry make no sense.

first it was everyone got vegan. and cured their health issues, then people got carnivore and cured their health issues. then it will be this and that.

any extreme diet has problems. eventually




I was toxic in lead. I got lead poisoning, my wife died because of this. and I got lymphoma

now 7 years later after heavy chelation, I can say that I am healthier than 95% of people around me. and my mom always says that I look not older than my son who is 19. and I am in my mid 40s.


chelation of the toxicity which I had fixed a lot of things for me.

And for the first year I was patching things up also.

I moved from a big city to Cyprus, I threw away my cell phone. etc.

of course those things helped me to survive. and not die from lymphoma.and melanoma.

but they did not fix my problem. not even close and I wanted to be 100% not like a handicap, walking around which I did first year.

I avoided so many things, that people around me thought I was fcking retarded.

if you were detoxing mercury and arsenic, and you had your ratios good, that must be the first time I saw anything like that.))

I get hemolytic anemia when I detox things. like that and feel like total garbage and ratios can't not be balanced, not even close when you have those in.

the most important ones are copper zinc, copper iron. until you get those balance, you will always feel like total garbage.

since zinc copper= viral ratio. copper iron = infection ratio.


but you need to understand, it has nothing to do with any ratios. the program is chelation program, and it is like a diet. a perfect diet.

you need to take the program forever. it is like a diet. you can call it TEI diet and not the program, diet which is constanly adjustable for you.

first 2 years on the diet you detox. and then you just get balanced, according to your life style.


My program that I do is fasting, swimming in the ocean and low grade chelating. low grade chelation now. like tiny amounts daily. so I never get toxic in stuff again.

once a year I do big very large dose chelation, and it usually screws me up for about 3-4 months. I can easily choose not to do this at this point. and just stay with low grade and feel 100%, but I just want that stuff out of me. since I see after each one large chelation my health improves insanely.

I use HTMA and find it so much easier to see where chelation takes me and which minerals I need.


but this forum is not about TEI , we try all kinds of things and move forward.


this is why this forum was started. to find best solutions, as oppose to ray peat forum where people were following one dogma. One thing works for everyone.

obviously it does not. Some people did good on Peat , some did terrible on Peat. since people are different. and have different problems.
 
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what are you even talking about. this forum is not about TEI or ARL( is not rec'd here at all and especially Dr Wilson) . it is about trying things.

We are doing low vitamin A and all other stuff here. that you are talking about. People go on raw meat high meat and keto. to kill oxidation

As far as TEI is concerned I have 20 people in my skype who are on it for more than 5 years. and they are cured, so I talk from experience, you talk from misunderstanding what HTMA is since you still dont get what they are.


I use HTMA to see body chemistry, that is what I use it for. It is like a comprehensive bloodtest, what do you mean it is not a tool.

It is the best tool I found for myself to see what is going with me and help me during detox and chelation.

it is the tool that shows you where your stress is coming from, but you need to know how to read it.

People are different and their metabolism and toxicities are different. they are not helped by one thing, so secrets travelling in health industry make no sense.

first it was everyone got vegan. and cured their health issues, then people got carnivore and cured their health issues. then it will be this and that.

any extreme diet has problems. eventually




I was toxic in lead. I got lead poisoning, my wife died because of this. and I got lymphoma

now 7 years later after heavy chelation, I can say that I am healthier than 95% of people around me. and my mom always says that I look not older than my son who is 19. and I am in my mid 40s.


chelation of the toxicity which I had fixed a lot of things for me.

And for the first year I was patching things up also.

I moved from a big city to Cyprus, I threw away my cell phone. etc.

of course those things helped me to survive. and not die from lymphoma.and melanoma.

but they did not fix my problem. not even close and I wanted to be 100% not like a handicap, walking around which I did first year.

I avoided so many things, that people around me thought I was fcking retarded.

if you were detoxing mercury and arsenic, and you had your ratios good, that must be the first time I saw anything like that.))

I get hemolytic anemia when I detox things. like that and feel like total garbage and ratios can't not be balanced, not even close when you have those in.

the most important ones are copper zinc, copper iron. until you get those balance, you will always feel like total garbage.

since zinc copper= viral ratio. copper iron = infection ratio.


but you need to understand, it has nothing to do with any ratios. the program is chelation program, and it is like a diet. a perfect diet.

you need to take the program forever. it is like a diet. you can call it TEI diet and not the program, diet which is constanly adjustable for you.

first 2 years on the diet you detox. and then you just get balanced, according to your life style.


My program that I do is fasting, swimming in the ocean and low grade chelating. low grade chelation now. like tiny amounts daily. so I never get toxic in stuff again.

once a year I do big very large dose chelation, and it usually screws me up for about 3-4 months. I can easily choose not to do this at this point. and just stay with low grade and feel 100%, but I just want that stuff out of me. since I see after each one large chelation my health improves insanely.

I use HTMA and find it so much easier to see where chelation takes me and which minerals I need.


but this forum is not about TEI , we try all kinds of things and move forward.


this is why this forum was started. to find best solutions, as oppose to ray peat forum where people were following one dogma. One thing works for everyone.

obviously it does not. Some people did good on Peat , some did terrible on Peat. since people are different. and have different problems.

Why do you pick Cyprus? And do you still live without cell phone?

since zinc copper= viral ratio. copper iron = infection ratio......can you explain this?
 

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@Tar I think you are a little confused. HTMA is not selling anything, HTMA is a test. I have my own hair device now. which I dont even need to pay for my hairtest or nail tests.

IF the programs of TEI or ARL are correct we don't lknow. but it has nothing to do with HTMA as a tool. HTMA is just a test.


As an example. I told Ray Peat forum people years ago that eating liver drinking orange juice, eating milk non stop. for people in slow oxidation is like killing yourself slowly.

since all that copper , vitamin A, calcium.

When people go on vitamin A diet @Orion that is also going on very high zinc diet , and almost very low copper and vitamin A. since almost every food which has vitamin A has copper in it. even natural vitamin C like acerola cherry. I hope you get that it is copper vitamin A and C in it.


and going on vitamin Bs , C and \zinc and low copper diet , that is a TEI program. for slow oxidizers. ))


I agree that when you take the liver from human or animal. on average that liver has high copper iron and vitamin A content.


So thru their life they are accumulating this stuff. In some cases. not all.

for instance alcoholics have zero vitamin A in their liver. since alcohol increases break down of vitamin A in the liver.


So on average vitamin A copper and iron are high in the livers of animals and humans. Why is that?

since people have problems, metabolizing and raising ths stuff, since most run low on magnesium and potassium. zinc, b2 etc.

without magnesium and potassium |COPPER| is prohibited to rise.

and zinc and copper both rise in blood with ACTH. only when metabolism is HIGH. since ACTH rises only when there is potassium in the cell, and there is thyroid action going.

when you have enough potassium, since otherwise it will slow metabolism

this is the reason why in the liver of animals usually iron copper and vitamin A accumulate. since body cant use them . and copper accumulates in the brain,

especially in autistic people since most of them are unable to clear it. their metalothionine is taxed.


retinoic acid is made from retinol. it is not just oxidized. with oxygen, you need 2 enzymes to get to it. or even 3. ADH RDH and ALDH.


why do you think people take accutane and it gets rid of their acne. since accutane is retinoic acid. and obviously those people were not making retinoic acid.

since if they were they wold have super dry skin and not oily skin.


but retinoic acid should rise only when the body asks for zinc and copper. which is in faster metabolism. when zinc rises in serum with rising ACTH. this increases retinoid binding protein, and vitamin A comes out from the liver. then this zinc oxidizes it into retinal, then aldh gets into retinoic acid and then this retinoic acid increases ceruloplasmin and copper comes out from the liver . SO folks who take accutane, just bypass all regulations and end up at the last one the copper one which then just kills their metabolism. since copper binds thyroid hormone and increases vitamin D conversion into vitamin D active. conversion. which tells your body to take calcium from bone.



this is why feeding end product of the pathway which should exist only if other minerals are in blood like zinc and copper and potassium and thyroid is simply stupid.

and causes toxicities of certain minerals.



Do I agree with low copper and vitamin A diet and high zinc diet for slow oxidizers. Of course.
 
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When people go on vitamin A diet @Orion that is also going on very high zinc diet , and almost very low copper and vitamin A. since almost every food which has vitamin A has copper in it. even natural vitamin C like acerola cherry. I hope you get that it is copper vitamin A and C in it.

Do I agree with low copper and vitamin A diet and high zinc diet for slow oxidizers. Of course.


I am almost 9 months now zero vitamin A intake and using the TEI recs which include some zinc, things keep steadily improving in all my issues.
 

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what are you even talking about. this forum is not about TEI or ARL( is not rec'd here at all and especially Dr Wilson) . it is about trying things.

We are doing low vitamin A and all other stuff here. that you are talking about. People go on raw meat high meat and keto. to kill oxidation

As far as TEI is concerned I have 20 people in my skype who are on it for more than 5 years. and they are cured, so I talk from experience, you talk from misunderstanding what HTMA is since you still dont get what they are.


I use HTMA to see body chemistry, that is what I use it for. It is like a comprehensive bloodtest, what do you mean it is not a tool.

It is the best tool I found for myself to see what is going with me and help me during detox and chelation.

it is the tool that shows you where your stress is coming from, but you need to know how to read it.

People are different and their metabolism and toxicities are different. they are not helped by one thing, so secrets travelling in health industry make no sense.

first it was everyone got vegan. and cured their health issues, then people got carnivore and cured their health issues. then it will be this and that.

any extreme diet has problems. eventually




I was toxic in lead. I got lead poisoning, my wife died because of this. and I got lymphoma

now 7 years later after heavy chelation, I can say that I am healthier than 95% of people around me. and my mom always says that I look not older than my son who is 19. and I am in my mid 40s.


chelation of the toxicity which I had fixed a lot of things for me.

And for the first year I was patching things up also.

I moved from a big city to Cyprus, I threw away my cell phone. etc.

of course those things helped me to survive. and not die from lymphoma.and melanoma.

but they did not fix my problem. not even close and I wanted to be 100% not like a handicap, walking around which I did first year.

I avoided so many things, that people around me thought I was fcking retarded.

if you were detoxing mercury and arsenic, and you had your ratios good, that must be the first time I saw anything like that.))

I get hemolytic anemia when I detox things. like that and feel like total garbage and ratios can't not be balanced, not even close when you have those in.

the most important ones are copper zinc, copper iron. until you get those balance, you will always feel like total garbage.

since zinc copper= viral ratio. copper iron = infection ratio.


but you need to understand, it has nothing to do with any ratios. the program is chelation program, and it is like a diet. a perfect diet.

you need to take the program forever. it is like a diet. you can call it TEI diet and not the program, diet which is constanly adjustable for you.

first 2 years on the diet you detox. and then you just get balanced, according to your life style.


My program that I do is fasting, swimming in the ocean and low grade chelating. low grade chelation now. like tiny amounts daily. so I never get toxic in stuff again.

once a year I do big very large dose chelation, and it usually screws me up for about 3-4 months. I can easily choose not to do this at this point. and just stay with low grade and feel 100%, but I just want that stuff out of me. since I see after each one large chelation my health improves insanely.

I use HTMA and find it so much easier to see where chelation takes me and which minerals I need.


but this forum is not about TEI , we try all kinds of things and move forward.


this is why this forum was started. to find best solutions, as oppose to ray peat forum where people were following one dogma. One thing works for everyone.

obviously it does not. Some people did good on Peat , some did terrible on Peat. since people are different. and have different problems.
@Helen this is a great point. I think we need to change our thinking. Don’t look at TEI etc as THe CURE, but it is of an absolute necessity. It is a non negotiable and for the rest of your life maybe. Maybe it helps to cure you, but at minimal it keeps the body in the best state, which is of paramount importance
 

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@Helen this is a great point. I think we need to change our thinking. Don’t look at TEI etc as THe CURE, but it is of an absolute necessity. It is a non negotiable and for the rest of your life maybe. Maybe it helps to cure you, but at minimal it keeps the body in the best state, which is of paramount importance

Read Chi's recovery. Guy lived a clean life and supported it with minerals and probiotics. He was probably a slow oxidizer and got out of PFS by speeding up his metabolism and chelating copper and other toxic metals with zinc, vitamin C (chelate copper), iron (raise Na/K? or maybe kill bacteria?), trace minerals. He also ate a lower fat diet (speeds up metabolism) it seems. He got cured.

He did this without HTMA. Pretty impressive.

Read what he said:

"To add weight to this, 6 months before full recovery I was still having massive set-backs and terrible episodes of awfulness. However when you’ve cracked the code it doesn’t matter – everything is in your favour to recover."

I don't think it will be a fun ride no matter what you do. For most people. If you really want to heal deep and not be in another form of body chemistry.

Only thing we can do is try it out. I am trying out TEI. Other people may try something else.
 
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@Helen this is a great point. I think we need to change our thinking. Don’t look at TEI etc as THe CURE, but it is of an absolute necessity. It is a non negotiable and for the rest of your life maybe. Maybe it helps to cure you, but at minimal it keeps the body in the best state, which is of paramount importance

Not TEI exactly.

Use of HTMA is the absolute necessity to put one’s plan together in fixing oneself.

I don’t use tei. I use HTMA to help guide myself on my way forward.

Lol I’ve been trying to stress this and the gut since last summer really. Seems like this forum is finally there! Look at @tonysoprano ’s last post, @Aleksandr too. Both HTMA guys now going after the gut with it.
 

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what are you even talking about. this forum is not about TEI or ARL( is not rec'd here at all and especially Dr Wilson) . it is about trying things.

We are doing low vitamin A and all other stuff here. that you are talking about. People go on raw meat high meat and keto. to kill oxidation

As far as TEI is concerned I have 20 people in my skype who are on it for more than 5 years. and they are cured, so I talk from experience, you talk from misunderstanding what HTMA is since you still dont get what they are.


I use HTMA to see body chemistry, that is what I use it for. It is like a comprehensive bloodtest, what do you mean it is not a tool.

It is the best tool I found for myself to see what is going with me and help me during detox and chelation.

it is the tool that shows you where your stress is coming from, but you need to know how to read it.

People are different and their metabolism and toxicities are different. they are not helped by one thing, so secrets travelling in health industry make no sense.

first it was everyone got vegan. and cured their health issues, then people got carnivore and cured their health issues. then it will be this and that.

any extreme diet has problems. eventually




I was toxic in lead. I got lead poisoning, my wife died because of this. and I got lymphoma

now 7 years later after heavy chelation, I can say that I am healthier than 95% of people around me. and my mom always says that I look not older than my son who is 19. and I am in my mid 40s.


chelation of the toxicity which I had fixed a lot of things for me.

And for the first year I was patching things up also.

I moved from a big city to Cyprus, I threw away my cell phone. etc.

of course those things helped me to survive. and not die from lymphoma.and melanoma.

but they did not fix my problem. not even close and I wanted to be 100% not like a handicap, walking around which I did first year.

I avoided so many things, that people around me thought I was fcking retarded.

if you were detoxing mercury and arsenic, and you had your ratios good, that must be the first time I saw anything like that.))

I get hemolytic anemia when I detox things. like that and feel like total garbage and ratios can't not be balanced, not even close when you have those in.

the most important ones are copper zinc, copper iron. until you get those balance, you will always feel like total garbage.

since zinc copper= viral ratio. copper iron = infection ratio.


but you need to understand, it has nothing to do with any ratios. the program is chelation program, and it is like a diet. a perfect diet.

you need to take the program forever. it is like a diet. you can call it TEI diet and not the program, diet which is constanly adjustable for you.

first 2 years on the diet you detox. and then you just get balanced, according to your life style.


My program that I do is fasting, swimming in the ocean and low grade chelating. low grade chelation now. like tiny amounts daily. so I never get toxic in stuff again.

once a year I do big very large dose chelation, and it usually screws me up for about 3-4 months. I can easily choose not to do this at this point. and just stay with low grade and feel 100%, but I just want that stuff out of me. since I see after each one large chelation my health improves insanely.

I use HTMA and find it so much easier to see where chelation takes me and which minerals I need.


but this forum is not about TEI , we try all kinds of things and move forward.


this is why this forum was started. to find best solutions, as oppose to ray peat forum where people were following one dogma. One thing works for everyone.

obviously it does not. Some people did good on Peat , some did terrible on Peat. since people are different. and have different problems.
@Tar I think you are a little confused. HTMA is not selling anything, HTMA is a test. I have my own hair device now. which I dont even need to pay for my hairtest or nail tests.

IF the programs of TEI or ARL are correct we don't lknow. but it has nothing to do with HTMA as a tool. HTMA is just a test.


As an example. I told Ray Peat forum people years ago that eating liver drinking orange juice, eating milk non stop. for people in slow oxidation is like killing yourself slowly.

since all that copper , vitamin A, calcium.

When people go on vitamin A diet @Orion that is also going on very high zinc diet , and almost very low copper and vitamin A. since almost every food which has vitamin A has copper in it. even natural vitamin C like acerola cherry. I hope you get that it is copper vitamin A and C in it.


and going on vitamin Bs , C and \zinc and low copper diet , that is a TEI program. for slow oxidizers. ))


I agree that when you take the liver from human or animal. on average that liver has high copper iron and vitamin A content.


So thru their life they are accumulating this stuff. In some cases. not all.

for instance alcoholics have zero vitamin A in their liver. since alcohol increases break down of vitamin A in the liver.


So on average vitamin A copper and iron are high in the livers of animals and humans. Why is that?

since people have problems, metabolizing and raising ths stuff, since most run low on magnesium and potassium. zinc, b2 etc.

without magnesium and potassium |COPPER| is prohibited to rise.

and zinc and copper both rise in blood with ACTH. only when metabolism is HIGH. since ACTH rises only when there is potassium in the cell, and there is thyroid action going.

when you have enough potassium, since otherwise it will slow metabolism

this is the reason why in the liver of animals usually iron copper and vitamin A accumulate. since body cant use them . and copper accumulates in the brain,

especially in autistic people since most of them are unable to clear it. their metalothionine is taxed.


retinoic acid is made from retinol. it is not just oxidized. with oxygen, you need 2 enzymes to get to it. or even 3. ADH RDH and ALDH.


why do you think people take accutane and it gets rid of their acne. since accutane is retinoic acid. and obviously those people were not making retinoic acid.

since if they were they wold have super dry skin and not oily skin.


but retinoic acid should rise only when the body asks for zinc and copper. which is in faster metabolism. when zinc rises in serum with rising ACTH. this increases retinoid binding protein, and vitamin A comes out from the liver. then this zinc oxidizes it into retinal, then aldh gets into retinoic acid and then this retinoic acid increases ceruloplasmin and copper comes out from the liver . SO folks who take accutane, just bypass all regulations and end up at the last one the copper one which then just kills their metabolism. since copper binds thyroid hormone and increases vitamin D conversion into vitamin D active. conversion. which tells your body to take calcium from bone.



this is why feeding end product of the pathway which should exist only if other minerals are in blood like zinc and copper and potassium and thyroid is simply stupid.

and causes toxicities of certain minerals.



Do I agree with low copper and vitamin A diet and high zinc diet for slow oxidizers. Of course.

HTMA is definitely selling something.

I was under the impression that TEI was the only approved protocol of the forum? Has that changed? Part of why I left a couple year ago and stopped posting is the forum went from this very dynamic place of different protocols (electrolyte, RU486, Finn cycles, etc) where a lot of experiments were tried and new knowledge was being generated...to deleting all those threads and saying just do TEI under "Catherine." (who never responded to my questioning emails) Everyone jumped on the bandwagon called "it is all heavy metals, detox and eventually you will be cured." Bad became good and good became bad. Almost like everyone left RPF to become...RPF of HTMA.

By the by, RPF is actually not that bad these days. With the low vit A diet gaining steam and it being in direct opposition to many of RP's ideas, things are much more out of the box over there then when you were posting a couple years ago.

Anyways, would you be willing to say that HTMA can address certain issues very well, such as zinc/copper, but not fully cure you of anything? Because I would be on board for that. I know HTMA has its uses, I do not deny that. It is the religion of HTMA that I am against: "You feel bad, that is good! Keep feeling bad and in 15 years you'll be cured!" I can see a place where someone uses HTMA to address something SPECIFIC and then moves on after that.

There's so many things to take into consideration here. How old are you? What were your reasons for doing ARL in the first place? Were you active before during and after ARL? Most guys I find who aren't pleased with HTMA are guys who don't follow the program correctly.
I see guys jumping from ARL to TEI which dr eck said not to do. I see guys not taking the supps or adding in random things or not taking part of the supp program all of which he also said not to do.

You know he even says how you need to work past your traumas internally on your own or you won't work past certain mineral patterns which is something I haven't even seen talked about on the forum yet so...gotta develop some sort of self awareness ya know.

As for myself I am only 1 month into my first hairtest and my sleep has dramatically improved like I'm almost lucid in every dream I have my sleep is so deep. For the first time in current memory I am actually waking up refreshed. My ability to socialize comfortably has improved although I always had a I don't give a fcuk attitude but oh well. My hard on's have come back and length has returned to normal. My desire to go out and chase pussy is already coming back. Other mental aspects have improved for me as well and continue to do so.

But at the same time I am taking full dosages everyday and I have yet to jump to another program which I'm not going to do. Also being in the military I have to work out 2+ times a day everyday so that might have something to do with it. Also I practice tantra so I haven't had an ejaculatory orgasm in a year almost so that might have something to do with my positives too. I've also been stone cold sober for three years since drug addiction and Zoloft.

But who knows it could be placebo at this point also there's just so many variables to consider with each Individuals experience.

Shitty thing about the military is all the vaccines you have to get. Military used to be great at toughening you up, discipline, all that. But I think it is getting more and more end of roman empire mode. Not ejaculating can definitely be a great way to build up energy and motivation. I had a year awhile back where I orgasmed maybe 5 times total. Got so much done that year it was awesome. I did ARL because I got hooked on Wilson's posts. Guy was definitely a wack job but I was under his cult like sway for a couple years. Looking back I am amazed I believed all the crap he said with no sources, no basis for his knowledge...just...this is true because I know! Gotta be careful who you believe and err on skepticism.
 

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HTMA is definitely selling something.

I was under the impression that TEI was the only approved protocol of the forum? Has that changed? Part of why I left a couple year ago and stopped posting is the forum went from this very dynamic place of different protocols (electrolyte, RU486, Finn cycles, etc) where a lot of experiments were tried and new knowledge was being generated...to deleting all those threads and saying just do TEI under "Catherine." (who never responded to my questioning emails) Everyone jumped on the bandwagon called "it is all heavy metals, detox and eventually you will be cured." Bad became good and good became bad. Almost like everyone left RPF to become...RPF of HTMA.

By the by, RPF is actually not that bad these days. With the low vit A diet gaining steam and it being in direct opposition to many of RP's ideas, things are much more out of the box over there then when you were posting a couple years ago.

Anyways, would you be willing to say that HTMA can address certain issues very well, such as zinc/copper, but not fully cure you of anything? Because I would be on board for that. I know HTMA has its uses, I do not deny that. It is the religion of HTMA that I am against: "You feel bad, that is good! Keep feeling bad and in 15 years you'll be cured!" I can see a place where someone uses HTMA to address something SPECIFIC and then moves on after that.



Shitty thing about the military is all the vaccines you have to get. Military used to be great at toughening you up, discipline, all that. But I think it is getting more and more end of roman empire mode. Not ejaculating can definitely be a great way to build up energy and motivation. I had a year awhile back where I orgasmed maybe 5 times total. Got so much done that year it was awesome. I did ARL because I got hooked on Wilson's posts. Guy was definitely a wack job but I was under his cult like sway for a couple years. Looking back I am amazed I believed all the crap he said with no sources, no basis for his knowledge...just...this is true because I know! Gotta be careful who you believe and err on skepticism.


this forum has new ideas and protocols daily. this is why this forum was created. TEI and Cdnuts are approved protocols and there are tons of experimentals ones, posted daily.

I have no idea what you are even talking about. We dont talk about TEI here daily at all.


ray peat forum? lol you are getting little pieces of correct info, which TEI tells you right off the bat. just based on your oxidation rate

You still dont get the program. It is not the program to make you feel better, while you are on it. for the first many years.

since they use minerals to chelate other minerals. Just get it.

they don;t substitute minerals.


but if you dont want to chelate then you can easily use HTMA to makes yourself better. just by diet alone.

ray peat forumers were making themselves toxic in copper iron vitamin A. and all other crap. by eating tons of liver , drinking tons of milk.


of course those people now go on low vit A low copper high zinc diet, and feel better. this is what I told them 2 years ago.

it is the exact same thing, as vegans when crashed going on carnivore diet, and feel better. then they will stay on carnivore, crash and go vegan again.

I see this over and over and over again.


here we based on HTMA learn biochemistry. at least that is what I do and all regulations.

stop talking about TEI and ARL as HTMA. HTMA is just a test. it has nothing to do with ARL or TEI. it is like a blood test.


and based on that test you know what is going on.
 

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I have no clue on TEI itself, but I do agree with TAR that this forum is perceived to be focused mostly on TEI.

Tubz even has a link listed in his signature that states TEI is the only "appoved" hackstasis protocol for PFS. When i was informed of this site (when I was over at SwoleSource and SolvePFS), people told me to come over here to check out TEI. I have even seen a post or two on here inferring that TEI can fix any health issue. That seems a little far fetched to me, but I don't know shit about it.

This may not be the intent, but the perception for some is that hackstasis does in large part= TEI. Maybe that isn't true at this moment in time, but a few moths back it certainly was. I'm not trying to ruffle feathers, just saying the way it is.

For the record I am on CDs protocol, and making improvements, so I'm staying on that route.
 

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I have no clue on TEI itself, but I do agree with TAR that this forum is perceived to be focused mostly on TEI.

Tubz even has a link listed in his signature that states TEI is the only "appoved" hackstasis protocol for PFS. When i was informed of this site (when I was over at SwoleSource and SolvePFS), people told me to come over here to check out TEI. I have even seen a post or two on here inferring that TEI can fix any health issue. That seems a little far fetched to me, but I don't know shit about it.

This may not be the intent, but the perception for some is that hackstasis does in large part= TEI. Maybe that isn't true at this moment in time, but a few moths back it certainly was. I'm not trying to ruffle feathers, just saying the way it is.

For the record I am on CDs protocol, and making improvements, so I'm staying on that route.


I approved Cdnuts protocol the minute I got thru with it

then it was Electrolytes protocol. which I posted.

then it was TEI

and tons of other possible protocols.

We have anavar trials, hormone trials, low vitamin A trials. etc.

Sibo trials, antibacteral antiviral trials.

GABA overexpression, trial.

tribulus trials,

tons of stuff daily.
 

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I approved Cdnuts protocol the minute I got thru with it

then it was Electrolytes protocol. which I posted.

then it was TEI

and tons of other possible protocols.

We have anavar trials, hormone trials, low vitamin A trials. etc.

Sibo trials, antibacteral antiviral trials.

GABA overexpression, trial.

tribulus trials,

tons of stuff daily.
Trial trials, where you trial trials