Barbaar Hair Analysis (PSSD)

[Helen]

Im pretty sure many people are following TEI here, perhaps goose is doing it most consistingly or the longest, idk. But also for goose it does not seem to fix libido, or at least so far.
I was healthy pre ssri, or at least felt i was.
Ill be the first to be convinced about hair tests when it cures pssd, im less interested in optimizing hair, skin or overall health.
Pssd cures ive seen so-far are connected to dopamine/serotonine meds somehow. I know these are connected to minerals, but i havent seen similar results, making me wonder if this is the right route. Hormone route is obviously also doing something. I know you said this is cutting corners, perhaps not safe, but it is also the only other route that had some cures imho.

NO body did TEI. they only know your body chemistry after round 3

anavar did absolutely nothing so far. I am in the heart of the trials of it and I suggested it here.. What hormonal route had cures?

 

[Helen]

And oh, i love your posts about interactions and possible routes. This has more potential then TEI i believe, something to think about. Barbaar is testing sodium now, which gives us more insights than 3 months of TEI probably would

You need to understand that all hair, skin etc all connected .

it is all about sugar and metabolism. you cant cure something with something

And also I dont beileve any of those people got cured from dopamine or serotonin things. NONE. just increased the stilt that is all


You need to understand that in PSSD, since adrenaline is what you run on , you get dopamine into noradrenaline into adrenaline conversion increased.

this decreases dopamine breakdown which increases prolactin.. SO by upregulating its receptors, people just increase the most idiotic stilt without fixing the metabolism

And in most people it cant even work how? Since it is very hard to upregulate dopamine in the pathway which is being run down at higher speeds.

 

[Jaxx]

You need to understand that all hair, skin etc all connected .

it is all about sugar and metabolism. you cant cure something with something

And also I dont beileve any of those people got cured from dopamine or serotonin things. NONE. just increased the stilt that is all

Well it is just based on posts, but these people clearly report being back pre-ssri. Yes this can also mean they get their anxiety back as it was pre-ssri. Not all these people have this however and it wasnt a real issue for me. I rather use tei to balance health/energy/anxiety when i get my libido back, rather than focussing on health while my libido is still zero.

 

[supernature]

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[Helen]

Well it is just based on posts, but these people clearly report being back pre-ssri. Yes this can also mean they get their anxiety back as it was pre-ssri. Not all these people have this however and it wasnt a real issue for me. I rather use tei to balance health/energy/anxiety when i get my libido back, rather than focussing on health while my libido is still zero.

You can get to the libido effect with many different things, some of those things will be stilts that will make you deteorate in other side of the body.

it is silly to have a goal libido)) the goal is to get libido in a proper way.

Not using some weird shit.

 

[barbaar]

Below range sodium in serum 133.75mmol/l (135 - 145) and bottom range whole blood 80.16 mmol/l (79.16 - 89.40), just looked at the labs. Cant remm if seen that low sodium in serum so far.
And SSRI's cause this to sodium !? Elevated BCAA in urine, histidine, taurine. @Helen

@barbaar Do you see below range sodium for 1st time in your labs or is been that low in prev tests as well ?
Its probably very good if you run an OAT test, then you will see which exact vits are affected but even with the levels of amino acids in urine could get a clue of the actual metabolites. ELN offer OAT test as well i think.

I've never tested sodium before so I don't know man sorry. I'll look into the OAT test

 

[supernature]

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[Helen]

@Jaxx On the second look you can get fixed from SSRI using serotonin and dopamine

Just block serotonin and take sodium and take dopamine agonist.

There are many things to do the same thing


Anything that will require more sodium to come in.

 

[Jaxx]

@Jaxx On the second look you can get fixed from SSRI using serotonin and dopamine

Just block serotonin and take sodium and take dopamine agonist.

There are many things to do the same thing


Anything that will require more sodium to come in.

Well that could explain why it works with some people while not in others. Ive been looking into the combo of a serotonin antagonist in combination with a dopamine agonist already, so this could make sense

 

[Helen]

Well that could explain why it works with some people while not in others. Ive been looking into the combo of a serotonin antagonist in combination with a dopamine agonist already, so this could make sense

this is because increasing dopamine increases adrenaline even more. That is why it did not work for anyone expect some one person. which could be not true anyway.

You need to stop adrenaline conversions, so there is more noradrenaline and dopamine available. so lower conversions, not increase dopamine or its receptors.




I think if person increases MAO A , then feeds sodium. then stop increasing MAO. that will fix things.

Since that will stop conversions into adrenaline.




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[Jaxx]

this is because increasing dopamine increases adrenaline even more. That is why it did not work for anyone expect some one person. which could be not true anyway.

You need to stop adrenaline conversions, so there is more noradrenaline and dopamine available. so lower conversions, not increase dopamine or its receptors.

In the case of prami, it cured one bit helped others to a lesser extend. Caber has been used by several docs becuase it helps with some symptoms



I think if person increases MAO A , then feeds sodium. then stop increasing MAO. that will fix things.

Since that will stop conversions into adrenaline.




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I had one of my few windows ON moclobemide (reversible maoi). I also clearly remembered i felt a bit om edge just before it happened, with a feeling coming from my throat. I figured it was putting pressure on my tyroid at the time.
All my windows were on stuff that works partly on dopamine and to lesser extend serotonin (moclobemide, sjw and muira puama). Only lasted 3-5 days, perhaps due to sodium losses..

 

[Helen]

I had one of my few windows ON moclobemide (reversible maoi). I also clearly remembered i felt a bit om edge just before it happened, with a feeling coming from my throat. I figured it was putting pressure on my tyroid at the time.
All my windows were on stuff that works partly on dopamine and to lesser extend serotonin (moclobemide, sjw and muira puama). Only lasted 3-5 days, perhaps due to sodium losses..

Obviously, since if you increase dopamine the body asks for more serotonin. and thus increases sodium uptake))

|but to increase dopamine, you need to decrease its conversion into adrenaline.

You cant increase serotonin in the cell by stopping its breakdown.

 

[Helen]

@Jaxx moclobemide blocks decomposition of serotonin and noradrenaline and to lesser extent dopamine

You wrote the opposite for some reason.

 

[Jaxx]

Yeah i know thats the conclusion in some research, but as with most maoi’s there isnt great consensus. But it is also a med that has one of the fewest occurances of sexual side effects, making me lean towards a lower or selective serotonin effect, countered by dopamine.

 

[Jaxx]

Same applies to sjw, they say its mainly serotonin, but experiences are quite the opposite for many. As soon as something is less selective research becomes tricky, as they are focussing on smaller effects instead of the whole picture

 

[Helen]

@Jaxx This is because when you take substances it upregulates the opposite side

you take serotonin it will upregulate dopamine. Since you dont have constant serotonin release , you just release it while you take stuff.

 

[Jaxx]

this is because increasing dopamine increases adrenaline even more. That is why it did not work for anyone expect some one person. which could be not true anyway.

You need to stop adrenaline conversions, so there is more noradrenaline and dopamine available. so lower conversions, not increase dopamine or its receptors.




I think if person increases MAO A , then feeds sodium. then stop increasing MAO. that will fix things.

Since that will stop conversions into adrenaline.




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I like this idea, 2 things come to mind though.
- People tend to feel better with things that are lowering MAO-A, like Rhodiola, Curcumin, Ayahuasca etc. But i guess thats what you are saying, you will bouce back coming off, not on.
- I only know one case with PSSD, that got cured by feeling worse (on low dose paxil) and then waiting to bounce back. And do this for a month or so. The rest of the bunch were feeling better on something and then slowly tapered off. This also seems less risky, as you dont have to feel bad on something i would guess.,

 

[Helen]

@Jaxx


Curcumin, is MAO B inhibitor, since it is iron chelator.. None of these things are mao a inhibitors.

MAO A is copper enzyme. MAO B is iron.


People tend to feel better when they inhibit MAO B , since that increases dopamine and allows more sodium in .

 

[HerrFisch]

So in Parkinsons pro dopamine drugs are stilts for MAO B / too much Iron.
Probably gets worse when stopping.

 

[Helen]

So in Parkinsons pro dopamine drugs are stilts for MAO B / too much Iron.
Probably gets worse when stopping.

yeah, that is why they use b2 now, or b1 for parkinsons, as a real cures, not some bullshit drugs.