Brainstorming & Ideas (PFS - Gbol)

[TubZy]

i tried licorice and felt nothing but i only used it in a tincture with other adaptagens that also had schizsndra, astragalus and one other thing. 5ML. I did it once a week at once point for 2-3 weeks and I did it for a week and one other point.

Aren't you also taking a boat load of supplements on top of that? If you are going to trial it literally stop everything except the licorice (no blended formulas) and replicate the exact protocol, otherwise it is pretty much irrelevant at this point.

Also, usually blends are weak, need to make sure it is 4:1 extract as well and get the pure powder.

champster was on cdnuts protocol though when he was using it so he was using the same stuff I was using. But yeah worth a shot trying it isolated as well.


I got me some phosphatidylcholine which i've read is good for dht from natural factors but it says it's derived from soy lecithin. Soy is highly estrogenic but would those estrogenic properties transfer to the isolated phosphatidylcholine supplement?

Yeah, that is why I said to take RU/ella/licorice root while cycling/taking herbs. Each one of those will raise unbounded estrogen levels since prog will drop and the herbs will help increase DHT quicker which would oppose it.

Yes, possibly.

 

[Aleksandr]

i tried licorice and felt nothing but i only used it in a tincture with other adaptagens that also had schizsndra, astragalus and one other thing. 5ML. I did it once a week at once point for 2-3 weeks and I did it for a week and one other point.

Aren't you also taking a boat load of supplements on top of that? If you are going to trial it literally stop everything except the licorice (no blended formulas) and replicate the exact protocol, otherwise it is pretty much irrelevant at this point.

Also, usually blends are weak, need to make sure it is 4:1 extract as well and get the pure powder.

champster was on cdnuts protocol though when he was using it so he was using the same stuff I was using. But yeah worth a shot trying it isolated as well.


I got me some phosphatidylcholine which i've read is good for dht from natural factors but it says it's derived from soy lecithin. Soy is highly estrogenic but would those estrogenic properties transfer to the isolated phosphatidylcholine supplement?

i might eventually try licorice isolated as well but i'm seeing good progress just doing cdnuts protocol to try something else yet. please keep us posted

Its funny because lecithin is what gbolds saying to put on our scalps! Also, i believe licorice is estrogenic too.
But gbolduev says estrogen isn't the bad guy peat made it out to be. All in balance.

 

[jacknap]

yeah i was seeing a functional medicine doctor and she was saying that u can't have libido with no estrogen. it's all about proper ratios for each individuall.

 

[wuf]

Aren't you also taking a boat load of supplements on top of that? If you are going to trial it literally stop everything except the licorice (no blended formulas) and replicate the exact protocol, otherwise it is pretty much irrelevant at this point.

Also, usually blends are weak, need to make sure it is 4:1 extract as well and get the pure powder.

champster was on cdnuts protocol though when he was using it so he was using the same stuff I was using. But yeah worth a shot trying it isolated as well.


I got me some phosphatidylcholine which i've read is good for dht from natural factors but it says it's derived from soy lecithin. Soy is highly estrogenic but would those estrogenic properties transfer to the isolated phosphatidylcholine supplement?

i might eventually try licorice isolated as well but i'm seeing good progress just doing cdnuts protocol to try something else yet. please keep us posted

Its funny because lecithin is what gbolds saying to put on our scalps! Also, i believe licorice is estrogenic too.
But gbolduev says estrogen isn't the bad guy peat made it out to be. All in balance.

Is gbolduev still alive? LOL
Never see him on the forum anymore.

 

[namaste]

Gbolduev browses almost every day. I'm sure he's extremely busy. He'll post when he has time.

 

[TubZy]

Yeah he is still here, I told him to post, but you know him he just randomly pops in and out.

On a separate topic, CDnuts will be joining and TYW too.

 

[Shadow]

Yeah he is still here, I told him to post, but you know him he just randomly pops in and out.

On a separate topic, CDnuts will be joining and TYW too.

Nice additions!! I wanted Ghost from PSSD to join too, but he is like gbolduev :lol: :lol:

 

[expendable]

Yeah he is still here, I told him to post, but you know him he just randomly pops in and out.

On a separate topic, CDnuts will be joining and TYW too.

Nice additions!! I wanted Ghost from PSSD to join too, but he is like gbolduev :lol: :lol:

Man, now that you mention it having Ghost here would be great.

 

[BeLikeWater]

Can somebody please post the COMPLETE list of tests(blood, urine etc.) gbolduev requires to see what is EXACTLY wrong with a person's health?

Yeah exactly, because the only true pfs marker so far is low 5ar metabolites in CNS.

 

[Shadow]

Can somebody please post the COMPLETE list of tests(blood, urine etc.) gbolduev requires to see what is EXACTLY wrong with a person's health?

How I wish that the things were that simple...

 

[vicecaz]

Can somebody please post the COMPLETE list of tests(blood, urine etc.) gbolduev requires to see what is EXACTLY wrong with a person's health?

From one of his post on Raypeatforum, he said:

sodium potassium calcium magnesium chloride, phosphorus, zinc , copper. TSH, free t3 , free t4, iron ferritin, ceruloplasmin, insulin, sugar, progesterone , estrogen, testosterone, cortisol.

 

[Orion]

Can somebody please post the COMPLETE list of tests(blood, urine etc.) gbolduev requires to see what is EXACTLY wrong with a person's health?

From one of his post on Raypeatforum, he said:

sodium potassium calcium magnesium chloride, phosphorus, zinc , copper. TSH, free t3 , free t4, iron ferritin, ceruloplasmin, insulin, sugar, progesterone , estrogen, testosterone, cortisol.

To clarify;

HAIR TEST: sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesium, manganese, chloride, phosphorus, zinc , copper, etc...

BLOOD TEST: TSH, free t3 , free t4, iron ferritin, ceruloplasmin, insulin, glucose, progesterone , estrogen, testosterone, cortisol.

 

[TubZy]

Update from Gbol:

I am testing RU and ella in the lab next week see what is going onalso will be testing finasteride.

He should be on tomm hopefully

 

[Canari]

Update from Gbol:

I am testing RU and ella in the lab next week see what is going onalso will be testing finasteride.

He should be on tomm hopefully

For those to ask where he is as he does not pop up so often.... He does what we cannot!
Thumb up! (limited smilies...)

 

[expendable]

Update from Gbol:

I am testing RU and ella in the lab next week see what is going onalso will be testing finasteride.

He should be on tomm hopefully

In the lab? shiiiiiet what? Where is he doing this and how is he testing them lol

 

[ruprmurdoch]

Every hormone mentioned above, is output. You have to evaluate input from your pituitary, to have full Picture(i will try show you my update version of hormone pathway this week) So in my opinion COMPLETE list of hormones is: lh, fsh,estradiol,testosterone, acth, cortisol, dheaso4,prolactin, aldosterone,TSH,ft3,ft4.
+ minerals mentioned in post above.

 

[wuf]

Every hormone mentioned above, is output. You have to evaluate input from your pituitary, to have full Picture(i will try show you my update version of hormone pathway this week) So in my opinion COMPLETE list of hormones is: lh, fsh,estradiol,testosterone, acth, cortisol, dheaso4,prolactin, aldosterone,TSH,ft3,ft4.
+ minerals mentioned in post above.

You are missing progesterone, shbg (just to be sure they're not too high), dht, free testosterone.

 

[ruprmurdoch]

wuf, you are right, thanks.

 

[snowball]

Hot do we know whether we suffer from agonized prog receptors vs antagonized receptors? Any tests or supplements that can give an idea?

 

[TubZy]

Trying to get him to post again, but here is an update from Gbol...