Brainstorming & Ideas (PFS - Gbol)

[wuf]

from my understanding the high prog, high cort and low 5AR locks potassium in the cell and feeds alkalosis. the body is stuck and should NEVER be in a high prog, high cort and low 5AR state. Ru will forcefully drop progesterone and tank potassium in doing so should disrupt the alkalosis process.

in my own personal theory one should take 5 to 10mg of ru for 3 days to tank progesterone and potassium and keep from ru486 building up to an amount that will become a weak antiandrogen.
RU will help control cort in high doses BUT technically this cort problem should solve its self once 5 alpha reductase comes back as this enzyme breaks down cortisol into weaker or inactive metabolites.

Thank you so much for the explanation guys..!!
I got everything, but I still don't get why Gbold didn't use RU to recover from PFS but only cofactors...?
Did you get the reason? If he recovered in 1 week just by using cofactors, why should we stil run RU?

this is just another way to do it. they are many ways to do the same thing. I chose this route. I outlined this route from the very beginning, read my posts. You can chose out of many routes. Ru was just one experimental route.

Got it man!!
Thank you so much!
Do you think it could have sense to outline a protocol for us about how to use cofactors and dosages?
It could be a trial for many of us..
Please Gbold let us know!!!)))
Thank you man!

 

[expendable]

Little update for you all. I was one of the first to do the ru trial on gbold’s advice but saw no dramatic improvements.

Last 4 days:
Copper + potassium + magnesium + aspirin (coz I couldn’t find acetazolamide - no idea if I should stop it, he hasn’t said).

Sexual function last couple of days best it has been for a long time. Libido up, erections better, morning wood consistently there, mood great, energy great, hair shithouse.

Plan is another couple of weeks minimum depending on how it’s going, then zinc + manganese to fix hair issues and rebalance by getting zinc back in the cell.

Where does potassium fit into the equation again? I browsed the thread but couldn't find anything about it.

 

[wuf]

I seriously don't get why gbold can not give us a cofactor protocol to follow...
I think it's easy for you to put it out.. so we can try to follow it...
[mention]gbolduev[/mention]

 

[IHateFin]

Guys, I am sorry but this last week I was too busy to read the forum, so I think I am missing something.Gbold claims that alkalosis is the main thing that keep PFS suffers stucked right?
So, cleaning alkalosis could be the cure...so, why still running RU or whatelse if Gbold got rid just by using cofactors?
Could anyone explaine if what I am saying is right?
Thanks

from my understanding the high prog, high cort and low 5AR locks potassium in the cell and feeds alkalosis. the body is stuck and should NEVER be in a high prog, high cort and low 5AR state. Ru will forcefully drop progesterone and tank potassium in doing so should disrupt the alkalosis process.

in my own personal theory one should take 5 to 10mg of ru for 3 days to tank progesterone and potassium and keep from ru486 building up to an amount that will become a weak antiandrogen.
RU will help control cort in high doses BUT technically this cort problem should solve its self once 5 alpha reductase comes back as this enzyme breaks down cortisol into weaker or inactive metabolites.

Thank you so much for the explanation guys..!!
I got everything, but I still don't get why Gbold didn't use RU to recover from PFS but only cofactors...?
Did you get the reason? If he recovered in 1 week just by using cofactors, why should we stil run RU?

he didn't recover with just cofactors he used ACE which is a diuretic that will tank both potassium and sodium in the cell. he also used licorice root. he is hitting the root cause of PFS from a different angle than RU.
RU will hit it at the root cause through progesterone and potassium and estrogen, while his stack seems to hit the root at every single angle including more so of the mineral imbalance. co factors can be used for both methods too to increase recovery time so im told.

 

[IHateFin]

Gbolduev what form of zinc, copper, potassium, magnesium, etc, did you use? how much of each? And which thorne supplement?

he is taking thorne extra. I have it and I take it here n there on my current cycle. its pretty amazing stuff.

Thank you Ihatefin. The thorne extra has a ratio zinc-copper of 15:1. There is a supplement, the jarrows zinc balance, that has this same ratio. Do you think this is the best or something like optizinc with 100:1 ratio is better?

I think the 15 to one is better especially for us whom are sensitive to zinc and have minerals being depleted from us in an unusual way to keep this messed up homeostasis.

 

[Jaxx]

we are all speculating basically. What happened to the clean trial approach with a proper protocol and logs?

 

[Helen]

I seriously don't get why gbold can not give us a cofactor protocol to follow...
I think it's easy for you to put it out.. so we can try to follow it...
@gbolduev

I already outlined what I am taking. Read my messages. I will post everything next week after I am of the supplements again. No there is no reason to post yet since I am still taking stuff

 

[Namelk]

In the clomid protocol,i continue taking zinc, vitamin E + NAD and dostinex when I stop taking the clomid? or do I stop taking all of them too?

[mention]gbolduev[/mention]

 

[Aleksandr]

I am at 90% , and back to work. Dont know how valid my experiment was . But this is what it is. I am still taking ace, potassium magnesium copper zinc etc. and thorne . Pretty much dont feel any different than before fin

Does ace need to be cycled or can be taken consistently? Which method is better?

Also, where did you get it from?

Whats the theory behind ace - it fixes alkalosis in the cell or alkalosos in the blood?

Edit: from wikipedia "In the treatment of mountain sickness, acetazolamide forces the kidneys to excrete bicarbonate, the conjugate base of carbonic acid. By increasing the amount of bicarbonate excreted in the urine, the blood becomes more acidic.[12] As the body equates acidity of the blood to its CO2 concentration, artificially acidifying the blood fools the body into thinking it has an excess of CO2, and it excretes this imaginary excess CO2 by deeper and faster breathing, which in turn increases the amount of oxygen in the blood.[17][18] Acetazolamide is not an immediate cure for acute mountain sickness; rather, it speeds up part of the acclimatization process which in turn helps to relieve symptoms.[19]"

So it sounds like it makes acidic blood alkaline (thus making the cell acidic). Then does it snap back to even more acidic??? Or do all the cofactors means it works at face value i.e. there is no snap back?

I wonder how this works in relation to taking sodim bicarb as well. Or baking soda. Ace dumps bicarb which increases breathing rate making you more alkaline (sounds similar to the exercise and adrenaline route) but taking bicarb makes you more alkaline to help buffer acidity also. Does this then lead to reduced breAthing rate???
So ace is for long term improvements making an acidic person more alkaline, but may feel worse on it... but bicarb is for short term improvements making an acidic person more alike, feeling better just after taking it, but worse in the long run? (When the baking soda leaves your breathing rate is slower and youre more acidic than you origionally were)???

For ultimate athletic performance theoretically you take ace for a few days, dump your bicarb and breath more, then stop it a day or two before your event, then just befoe your event take bicarb (so you have an increased breathing rate + plenty of bicarb, thus staying alkaline even when exercising hard? )

Do i have that right? @mattyb @gbolduev

Do you take this stuff if youre high venous co2 or low venous co2?

Papi gbold; "took ace plus magnesium potassium copper , zinc, b2 some iron , plus calcium
Yesterday I took thorne and above at different time"

By ace he means 250mg diamox
Thorne he means thorne extra
Im assuming doses of the other minerals is just whats listed on the bottle

Guys any comments on this post of mine?

 

[expendable]

Guys any comments on this post of mine?

Not sure if I can help, but I will say that the one thing I'm not sure of is his dosages of mineral cofactors. His original protocols called for like 10mg copper, 100mg zinc, 1000mg magnesium and stuff. So I'm really not sure what he's taking. I guess we'll find out later this week.

This whole turn of events is really hard to believe, to be honest...

 

[wuf]

Guys any comments on this post of mine?

Not sure if I can help, but I will say that the one thing I'm not sure of is his dosages of mineral cofactors. His original protocols called for like 10mg copper, 100mg zinc, 1000mg magnesium and stuff. So I'm really not sure what he's taking. I guess we'll find out later this week.

This whole turn of events is really hard to believe, to be honest...

What do you mean "hard to believe"?

 

[Helen]

Guys, Joekool is taking this protocol, Scenes is taking the same protocol. People already outlined what they are taking. Contact those forum members and ask them on their experience so far.I mentioned what I ' m taking also. I will post the final protocol within a week. Although it is pretty much outlined and already being used by people.

 

[jacknap]

[mention]gbolduev[/mention] you think it's possible to get pfs from other natural substances like krill oil, green tea, and/or kratom?

 

[Jaxx]

Guys, Joekool is taking this protocol, Scenes is taking the same protocol. People already outlined what they are taking. Contact those forum members and ask them on their experience so far.I mentioned what I ' m taking also. I will post the final protocol within a week. Although it is pretty much outlined and already being used by people.

Well Joe is also adding some other stuff in his stack and scenes is using asperin. Think most of us dont know what the exact protocol should be, including amounts.
Im a bit puzzled how this relates to all the previous suggestions that was mainly a hormone route.

 

[Helen]

Guys, Joekool is taking this protocol, Scenes is taking the same protocol. People already outlined what they are taking. Contact those forum members and ask them on their experience so far.I mentioned what I ' m taking also. I will post the final protocol within a week. Although it is pretty much outlined and already being used by people.

Well Joe is also adding some other stuff in his stack and scenes is using asperin. Think most of us dont know what the exact protocol should be, including amounts.
Im a bit puzzled how this relates to all the previous suggestions that was mainly a hormone route.

It was never hormone route. I outlined many ways to fix it. And after I tested it , i went mineral route, since it was clear to me
Read what I posted here after I tested FIN in the lab. Ace is just to speed up the recovery, I doubt it is even needed.

The additions that Joe and Scenes using dont matter. Since the protocol is working for both of them, and they are not taking the same additions.

 

[Helen]

@gbolduev you think it's possible to get pfs from other natural substances like krill oil, green tea, and/or kratom?

Hard to say. I guess it is possible if you cause iron deficiency

 

[wuf]

Guys, Joekool is taking this protocol, Scenes is taking the same protocol. People already outlined what they are taking. Contact those forum members and ask them on their experience so far.I mentioned what I ' m taking also. I will post the final protocol within a week. Although it is pretty much outlined and already being used by people.

Gbold. Thank you for your help but I don't understand what is the issue to text a clear protocol instead of texting other words telling us to contact other member's forum who probably even don't know what they are doing and they're just trying to puzzle all the info here and there.
You are the only one who can tell us and be clear.
So, I guess you would take less time texting a real protocol clear and with dosages once and forever.. you would not loose so much time and we would avoid hundred pages of useless writing.

 

[Helen]

Guys, Joekool is taking this protocol, Scenes is taking the same protocol. People already outlined what they are taking. Contact those forum members and ask them on their experience so far.I mentioned what I ' m taking also. I will post the final protocol within a week. Although it is pretty much outlined and already being used by people.

Gbold. Thank you for your help but I don't understand what is the issue to text a clear protocol instead of texting other words telling us to contact other member's forum who probably even don't know what they are doing and they're just trying to puzzle all the info here and there.
You are the only one who can tell us and be clear.
So, I guess you would take less time texting a real protocol clear and with dosages once and forever.. you would not loose so much time and we would avoid hundred pages of useless writing.

If someone already using the protocol and it is working for them / Why not take the same and use it. i am using regular dosages, same as them

I was going to post the end protocol after I test myself. so everything is fixed and balanced. thus I am holding off.

 

[TubZy]

I think you guys are missing the point. All of the things that have been suggested all do the SAME thing. They are snapping the body out of alkalosis. Google alkalosis and read about it, you will see. High cortisol and progesterone causes alkalosis.

RU, Ella, minerals, ACE, clomid protocol, fasting etc. etc. all help snap the body out of alkalosis, I mean that is the easiest way to put it.

Minerals over time can do it as well it just takes much longer, what [mention]gbolduev[/mention] is saying is that things like ACE do it much more efficiently and quicker with the right cofactors.

 

[Helen]

Minerals the ones I outlined are needed to go back to normal. ACE alone, will not do anything.