"Caffeine turns hard workers into slackers" Study finds

[5 alpha]

Lets see how many people have the guts to admit they were literally abusing on diff kinds of substances for years and all that tanked their immune system to the point where even tiny dose of particular drug at particular moment throw their metabolism in the cabbage !?

Count me in. I was twenty six when I took my first round of Saw P. I was working a full time job night shift plus another job during the day. I would sleep 4 hrs in between jobs. I would drink an energy drink every night.

I still worked out every day, was in good shape, did not smoke or take drugs and did not eat fast food. Other than exercise and not eating fast food though I lived an unhealthy life style drank and eat what ever I wanted as long as it was not fast food and drank as much as I wanted every weekend.

Looking back it, it was not too far long into working two jobs, staying up all night and having an energy drink every night that I crashed on the Saw P. Even before that my health was probable not in the best shape. I over trained, under slept and when I started sleeping 4 hrs a day in between jobs relying on an energy drink to get me through my stress hormones probable shot through the roof setting up that perfect storm environment.

 

[5 alpha]

What a useless “study”. And who gives a fuck if it makes workers less “productive”. As if the only goal is to make better slaves.

I know this will not make you feel any better but they are not slaves in the Netherlands. We are though. Modern day slaves.

About half our country is. You have the super wealthy. (“the one percent or three percent or what ever it actually is”) The other half has a good enough job where they are not killing them selves taken care of off of a 40 hr work week to the extent that they can maintain a middle class lifestyle and have health care that does not cost them 600 per month. The rest of us are modern day slaves fighting to survive. We can’t accumulate wealth and it’s by design. For a few to be rich many must be poor. It’s basic US economics.

When I can sit here and honestly say that I’m living all around a better and happier lifestyle on 40 thousand per year of untaxed disability with state health insurance then I was working 65 hrs per week you know we are slaves. I’m almost positive PFS is responsible for my three bad disks in my lumber spine and I can honestly say I’m glad. I sleep 9hrs a day and my stress level is cut in half. I also have better health care now. All around I have a better shot at recovery now because I’m no longer a modern day slave.

 

[Canari]

I was just going to say it is about slavery even without reading this page! The funniest is that modern life was a way to escape the slavery of being attached to the land by crops and animals! They felt like being enslaved! I know this too as I have always had animals, but they give freedom. Now I eat my eggs and meat for example.

Our so called freedom is actually all about slavery, and it is not easy to come out. Whatever idea you find to come out of it is great, except that most people have zero ability to live outside the city! For those who have children or nephews etc, try to let children developp their natural capacities! I have worked at this with children in holiday camps, and there is nothing better for happiness than to develop your sensing capacities.

When I see how people see.... I am afraid for our species. Tunnel view and no side seeing. Hearing sounds and not noticing them, smelling and not knowing what it is. I have heard a child smelling a flower and saying that it smelled as good as the toilet spray at home! Even if you cannot move, exercise your senses, they are atrophiated in a way we do not even notice, by definition as we cannot notice what we do not notice!

 

[mbax44]

I think you’re misinterpreting the word “slave” in this context I don’t think it’s meant literally. I actually agree with most of what you say @Boris. However , the word “freedom” gets thrown around too carelessly as well especially in this culture where it’s something you have to “fight for”(think of the the ramifications of this ridiculous but widely held dogma). Also if you’re paying taxes and other stuff like that you are not technically “free” in any shape or form. We are just so numb to some of these things that we don’t realize how impinged our lives can be.

 

[mbax44]

man you guys cherrypick one example and just go with it lol. How about we even break it down further than taxes or any arbitrary thing.m regardless how “free” this culture purports to be,(which it is not) , most people internally are cage up by addictions or habits which severely limit them. Most of these things that are horrible for them are celebrated by the society at large. You’re free to do what you have to do. That’s as far as freedoms goes here mostly.

 

[Nina]

Interesting how your experience is the opposite of mine @Nina
I always assumed one was better off without coffee but I decided to give it a try about three months ago and I have nothing but benefits to report from several cups of coffee daily

Something was uncomfortable the first week I introduced coffee to my diet, It felt as though my liver was in a "detox process" for lack of a better term but there's also that study showing that ingestion of caffeine is followed by a spike of cortisol until... about a week after of daily coffee when the cortisol spike basically becomes non-existent.

So what I describe as a "liver detoxing effect" could have been a spike of cortisol that vanished after a week


Still, after that week I became in love with coffee. My baseline is quite high recently but coffee definitely added value to it and I use it as a tool just like I use cold showers and HIIT

It keeps me full of energy and focused all day long while I'd usually feel tired after a few hours of work, plus it's definite cognitive and mood-enhancing effects.

I did the experience of four days without coffee last week and except the lack of its boosting effect, I did not notice any withdrawal symptoms, headaches or dramatic drop in energy


Does anyone has a suggestion for a coffee maker? Plan on upgrading and let go of my Espresso machine

Maybe if you keep the same intake up for a few days till your body adjusts then it works, no stress response just energy. My intake hovered around a lot though, some days none some days 400mg. Body didn't really have time to adjust.

 

[Nina]

I've the same as Nina. Coffee makes me more tired, I love it cuz I relate to coffee as chillout moment. But it leaves me.worse off.
Interesting tho is that I'm reacting extreme to anything else stimulating. Microdoses of amphetamines or energy drinks like RedBull/Rockstar make me feel absolutely amazing(am avoiding them).

Like i just said in another post, i think if you keep the same caffeine intake up for a few days your body might adjust to it and you'll feel only benefits but tbh it's not worth getting addicted to.

Edit: it's not worth getting addicted to bc the benefits aren't that great. They are nice but not impressive, unlike amphetamines but thats also more risky ofcourse.

 

[supernature]

Edit: it's not worth getting addicted to bc the benefits aren't that great. They are nice but not impressive, unlike amphetamines but thats also more risky ofcourse.

Boys it seems there might be a winner, at least someone nailed it, benefits, addiction, caffeine, amphetamine, ephedrine, what a perfect fail, thumbS down.

 

[Nina]

Boys it seems there might be a winner, at least someone nailed it, benefits, addiction, caffeine, amphetamine, ephedrine, what a perfect fail, thumbS down.

You don't make any sense, what are you trying to say here?

 

[Nina]

I've the same as Nina. Coffee makes me more tired, I love it cuz I relate to coffee as chillout moment. But it leaves me.worse off.
Interesting tho is that I'm reacting extreme to anything else stimulating. Microdoses of amphetamines or energy drinks like RedBull/Rockstar make me feel absolutely amazing(am avoiding them).

Actually might also be because caffeine = adrenaline thus dopamine goes down, sodium goes down, prolactin goes up

 

[Bankai900]

Actually might also be because caffeine = adrenaline thus dopamine goes down, sodium goes down, prolactin goes up

When I think about it with PFS I feel kinda like on a steady small dose of amphetamines. Not sleepy, but able to sleep if neccessary. Full day alert and awake, stronger immersion into stuff, but same time more aware and easier distracted. I can stay up till 5am and not notice real fatigue, it's the same as my fatigue during the day. There, but not bothering. Been doing some drugs during studies recreationally cuz my roommates were living on them. 1/20 of their dose would be enough to let me study the whole night, or get distracted the whole night xd. Now I feel very similar lol

 

[5 alpha]

Another indicator pointing towards stress hormone/receptor regulation issue with PFS. I can honestly relate to this. Not the feeling like I’m on drugs. But the always just feeling like my whole stress response is just off.