Can we fast if hypothyroid?

[johnsmith]

My question is, if we are pretty horribly hypothyroid, and have been on thyroid for several years, would breuss fasting be a no go? Is fasting more so for people with healthy thyroids? I would have to stop thyroid for the fast, and might become even more hypothyroid then before.

 

[johnsmith]

If one is hypothyroid, and has been on thyroid medication for several years, I'm guessing breuss fasting is a no go? I would have to stop thyroid medication for the fast and would probably become extra hypothyroid.

 

[Helen]

If one is hypothyroid, and has been on thyroid medication for several years, I'm guessing breuss fasting is a no go? I would have to stop thyroid medication for the fast and would probably become extra hypothyroid.

If you feel good on the thyroid. and you actually had a problem with the actual thyroid gland, you cant go off the thyroid. WHY?

but if you are taking thyroid, just because tsh was low. but hormones were fine. Then it has nothing to do with the thyroid. rt3 is high for a reason. and the only thing you could have done is use t3 with AI for a while, hoping that your organism retains zinc finger. And then come off of it.

Honestly I did not see people succeed with this, and they had to take thyroid always once they started taking it. It does not seem that taking thyroid was enough on its own to stimulate gastrin. otherwise those people would have sky high ferritin on t3

 

[johnsmith]

@gbolduev Thanks!

I'm damaged from finasteride use, but got improvements from thyroid supplementation. When I started supplementing T3/T4, my TSH went up, and my T3 and T4 went down. This puzzled my endocrinologist... Sh-t, maybe I was an example of your second paragraph, my TSH was quite low prior to thyroid supplementation, and I probably had lots of rt3.

 

[Helen]

@gbolduev Thanks!

I'm damaged from finasteride use, but got improvements from thyroid supplementation. When I started supplementing T3/T4, my TSH went up, and my T3 and T4 went down. This puzzled my endocrinologist... Sh-t, maybe I was an example of your second paragraph, my TSH was quite low prior to thyroid supplementation, and I probably had lots of rt3.

SO you are on the thyroid for how long now? for years and still suffering from sides? What sides do you have?

When you started supplementing thyroid this increased your RT3 even higher at first since you supped T4, this is what happened, this is why TSH went up first. and then it went to zero probably. It should not have surprised your endo., , it is normal.


You see the problem of only taking t3 is that it increases your steroid axis first. and then when estrogen goes up, prolactin suppresses it again. This is why to cure anything with thyroid, you need to take it with AI. otherwise estrogen will be blocking thyroid effect, and cortisol will not be needed.

And by blocking estrogen , you basically lower conversion of dopamine to noadrenaline and adrenaline. And this forces the body to survive and to retain zinc finger along with iron.

I dont realy like this route. since I think in many cases iron was already retained by finasteride. SO in this case it would be like going back on nandrolone or finasteride.

this is why it is so hard to come off the thyroid meds. Once you go in , almost impossible to come off. Unless you chelate iron from the cell. since when you quit thyroid. Iron in the cell will keep cortisol secretion high. and you will be hypothyroid and have hypokalemia. which is super low thyroid effect.

 

[johnsmith]

@gbolduev
I try to mask my sides with neurosteroids. Pansterone and Androsterone masked my sides for a year, now Im experimenting with 5a-dhp. My most obvious side from fin was what seemed to be stress induced verbaltouretes. Maybe cortisol and the Zinc Finger Theory had something to do with this.

I was on fin for 5 years, and I quit it 5 years ago. I have been on thyroid for 3 years, along side with vitamin E. But I stopped using vitamin-E a year ago. So I took a similar rout as sladerunner (except he mostly steered clear of thyroid), and we have both been talking about trying out breuss fasting as of lately.

And no, I don't think I fixed my sides so much as slightly improved some, and fractionally masked others.

 

[JonnyCraig]

If you feel good on the thyroid. and you actually had a problem with the actual thyroid gland, you cant go off the thyroid. WHY?

but if you are taking thyroid, just because tsh was low. but hormones were fine. Then it has nothing to do with the thyroid. rt3 is high for a reason. and the only thing you could have done is use t3 with AI for a while, hoping that your organism retains zinc finger. And then come off of it.

Honestly I did not see people succeed with this, and they had to take thyroid always once they started taking it. It does not seem that taking thyroid was enough on its own to stimulate gastrin. otherwise those people would have sky high ferritin on t3

VERY INTERESTING! Thank you!

I need to get full thyroid hormone panel done.

 

[JonnyCraig]

SO you are on the thyroid for how long now? for years and still suffering from sides? What sides do you have?

When you started supplementing thyroid this increased your RT3 even higher at first since you supped T4, this is what happened, this is why TSH went up first. and then it went to zero probably. It should not have surprised your endo., , it is normal.


You see the problem of only taking t3 is that it increases your steroid axis first. and then when estrogen goes up, prolactin suppresses it again. This is why to cure anything with thyroid, you need to take it with AI. otherwise estrogen will be blocking thyroid effect, and cortisol will not be needed.

And by blocking estrogen , you basically lower conversion of dopamine to noadrenaline and adrenaline. And this forces the body to survive and to retain zinc finger along with iron.

I dont realy like this route. since I think in many cases iron was already retained by finasteride. SO in this case it would be like going back on nandrolone or finasteride.

this is why it is so hard to come off the thyroid meds. Once you go in , almost impossible to come off. Unless you chelate iron from the cell. since when you quit thyroid. Iron in the cell will keep cortisol secretion high. and you will be hypothyroid and have hypokalemia. which is super low thyroid effect.

WOW.

This is a gem of a post, too.

 

[IHateFin]

Check this out:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5331475/#!po=44.5205

Inositol and selenium can cure hypo and hyperthyroid while reinstating normal insulin resistance

 

[JonnyCraig]

Check this out:

Treatment with Myo-Inositol and Selenium Ensures Euthyroidism in Patients with Autoimmune Thyroiditis

Inositol and selenium can cure hypo and hyperthyroid while reinstating normal insulin resistance

Hrmmmmmmmmmm.

@gbolduev what do you think of this?

Adding this for someone doing zing finger protocol? (I have notoriously low body temp upon waking, 96 or low 97F) usually I am cold in general. Felt great and warm on Tyromix(t3,t4). TSH is 4.23, but did not have t4/t3/rt3 levels checked.

 

[joekool]

Just want to add my experience thus far... I'm using T3 at 25mcg twice daily... with intents to increase if necessary... I'm looking to flush RT3 and improve blood flow overall, but especially to genitals... I"m also using .62Mg of Letrozole every 3 days, as well as a standard round of aminos & very few herbs.

To explain my results thus far, my biggest side effect leftover from fin was a turtling of my penis and constant tightness of my testicles... and, of course, complete ED and lack of erection... since starting T3... thus far, my testicles hang fuller, lower much more of the day... up to 95% of the day with very little tightening (and when it happens, it's a result of true coldness and doesn't come with pain)... during these very few examples of tightening , my penis does NOT turtle up... again, hanging fuller & warmer 99% of the day (I still notice some differences from my pre-fin penis from my memory)

I've had a few random erections throughout the last few days (my 3rd full week on T3)... actual erections from libido & sexual interest, with measured increased in size (nearing back to my original size)... and have had full intercourse more in the last week than previous 6 months (overall suffering dropping dramatically)

I'm sure you've seen the side affects of RT3, and what causes it... but they all match up... and the cycle is vicious... For example, many guys state waist weight gain from fin... this is due to unopposed estrogen... well... that = Weight gain = high estrogen = high prolactin = low thyroid = low testosterone = low dht = erectile dysfunction. Add stress in there and you see the cycle is horrible... @gbolduev has been instrumental in pointing many in the right direction and has offered many recovery options... he's truly a genius on all of these topics... I'm speaking from my experience and my own research, which I always tell everyone to do their own (Trust but verify)

So for right now, since I'm not off T3 yet, I can't say if i'm cured... or what a cure will look like... but the symptoms have improved dramatically... I'm praying they stick... only time will tell...

@johnsmith can you share your dosages? Have you tried to ever cycle down and off thyroid completely in these 3 years ??

 

[johnsmith]

@johnsmith can you share your dosages? Have you tried to ever cycle down and off thyroid completely in these 3 years ??

I take 6-8 drops of Tyromix (T3/T4) throughout the day. Sometimes orally, topically or scrotumly. I always monitor my temperature and dose accordingly. I never tried to get off of it because it helped lower stress, and boost energy levels, greatly. They say thyroid health tends to decline anyways with age. I thought it was like a bandaid that one would have to wear for the rest of their life, and it looks like gbolduev is saying its very hard to get off the stuff once your on.

I think Danny Roddy said he has started and stopped thyroid many times, but I think it was mostly just T3 that he has used, sparingly, just before bed, as an example.

Any suggestions if or how I could incorporate pure T3 dosing into my days? E.g. Would it be better if I was doing T3 during the day and T3/T4 before bed?

 

[Minime]

Check this out:

Treatment with Myo-Inositol and Selenium Ensures Euthyroidism in Patients with Autoimmune Thyroiditis

Inositol and selenium can cure hypo and hyperthyroid while reinstating normal insulin resistance

This is REALLY interesting @IHateFin Do you know if anyone has tried this route yet?

 

[joekool]

I take 6-8 drops of Tyromix (T3/T4) throughout the day. Sometimes orally, topically or scrotumly. I always monitor my temperature and dose accordingly. I never tried to get off of it because it helped lower stress, and boost energy levels, greatly. They say thyroid health tends to decline anyways with age. I thought it was like a bandaid that one would have to wear for the rest of their life, and it looks like gbolduev is saying its very hard to get off the stuff once your on.

I think Danny Roddy said he has started and stopped thyroid many times, but I think it was mostly just T3 that he has used, sparingly, just before bed, as an example.

Any suggestions if or how I could incorporate pure T3 dosing into my days? E.g. Would it be better if I was doing T3 during the day and T3/T4 before bed?

I hear Gbolduev's concern that it's hard to get off, and perhaps PFS sufferers have a different fate... we don't know... but bodybuilders that I know, personally, use T3 regularly at extremely high dosages in cycles and have no issues cycling off... I can't say if that'll be the same for us yet but I'm hoping my body's T4 production simply starts back up when I stop my T3...

I personally can't say if adding pure T3 with Tyromix is helpful... Since I'm trying to limit / lower my T4 for 120 total days to flush RT3... Since T3 is the active hormone... I believe the T4 from tyromix could go unused or worse, convert to RT3 which we don't want... wish I had better answers but I will soon...

 

[Minime]

I hear Gbolduev's concern that it's hard to get off, and perhaps PFS sufferers have a different fate... we don't know... but bodybuilders that I know, personally, use T3 regularly at extremely high dosages in cycles and have no issues cycling off... I can't say if that'll be the same for us yet but I'm hoping my body's T4 production simply starts back up when I stop my T3...

I personally can't say if adding pure T3 with Tyromix is helpful... Since I'm trying to limit / lower my T4 for 120 total days to flush RT3... Since T3 is the active hormone... I believe the T4 from tyromix could go unused or worse, convert to RT3 which we don't want... wish I had better answers but I will soon...

I think I recall @gbolduev saying Thyroid meds lead to clogged arteries but I could be wrong. It was back in the RPF posts, not on this board. I’m sure my memory is wrong on this...maybe he can clarify for us.

 

[JonnyCraig]

I take 6-8 drops of Tyromix (T3/T4) throughout the day. Sometimes orally, topically or scrotumly. I always monitor my temperature and dose accordingly. I never tried to get off of it because it helped lower stress, and boost energy levels, greatly. They say thyroid health tends to decline anyways with age. I thought it was like a bandaid that one would have to wear for the rest of their life, and it looks like gbolduev is saying its very hard to get off the stuff once your on.

I think Danny Roddy said he has started and stopped thyroid many times, but I think it was mostly just T3 that he has used, sparingly, just before bed, as an example.

Any suggestions if or how I could incorporate pure T3 dosing into my days? E.g. Would it be better if I was doing T3 during the day and T3/T4 before bed?

Thanks johnsmith.

I was using upwards of 10 drops a day at one point when I get on Tyromix. But I had started with 1 drop a day, and that was fine too.

I stopped using thyroid after actually now I think 5-6 months of being on it, not 3. It was OK, I did miss it though. Then days after, the cold intolerance came back.

BTW, have you noticed thyroid really makes your face look better??? My face looked so good and chiseled on tyromix (no water weight).

I seemed to be able to put on muscle mass easier too.

Anyways, you've been on it for 3 years. If you're doing good on it.. why get off?

I am sort of considering going back on it at some point, but I really should have thyroid levels checked first.

As far as I know, the thyroid recovers once you get off of it, it may take like 3 weeks max.

 

[JonnyCraig]

I hear Gbolduev's concern that it's hard to get off, and perhaps PFS sufferers have a different fate... we don't know... but bodybuilders that I know, personally, use T3 regularly at extremely high dosages in cycles and have no issues cycling off... I can't say if that'll be the same for us yet but I'm hoping my body's T4 production simply starts back up when I stop my T3...

I personally can't say if adding pure T3 with Tyromix is helpful... Since I'm trying to limit / lower my T4 for 120 total days to flush RT3... Since T3 is the active hormone... I believe the T4 from tyromix could go unused or worse, convert to RT3 which we don't want... wish I had better answers but I will soon...

This is confirmed science?

If I remember correctly, I remember hearing that T3-only can increase RT3, too.

 

[Helen]

If you take t4 and you have underlining issue why it converts to rt3, it will convert into rt3. So you need to use t3. Cortisol and iron problems are 2 things why it converts into rt3.

Both of those problems are cortisol problems, since iron is needed to convert progesterone into cortisol if there is no iron , conversion is not possible. and t4 converts into rt3.

 

[Vida]

SO you are on the thyroid for how long now? for years and still suffering from sides? What sides do you have?

When you started supplementing thyroid this increased your RT3 even higher at first since you supped T4, this is what happened, this is why TSH went up first. and then it went to zero probably. It should not have surprised your endo., , it is normal.


You see the problem of only taking t3 is that it increases your steroid axis first. and then when estrogen goes up, prolactin suppresses it again. This is why to cure anything with thyroid, you need to take it with AI. otherwise estrogen will be blocking thyroid effect, and cortisol will not be needed.

And by blocking estrogen , you basically lower conversion of dopamine to noadrenaline and adrenaline. And this forces the body to survive and to retain zinc finger along with iron.

I dont realy like this route. since I think in many cases iron was already retained by finasteride. SO in this case it would be like going back on nandrolone or finasteride.

this is why it is so hard to come off the thyroid meds. Once you go in , almost impossible to come off. Unless you chelate iron from the cell. since when you quit thyroid. Iron in the cell will keep cortisol secretion high. and you will be hypothyroid and have hypokalemia. which is super low thyroid effect.

@gbolduev I have managed to come off thyroid meds. Still not feeling 100% well, I have hashimotos. Will write a post about my issues.

 

[Helen]

I don't like forcing thyroid. I does not end well. avoidance of Oxidative damage is why rt3 is raised in the first place.