Cant get magnesium levels up
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If Ca and Mg go up together this wouldnt explain the symptoms I got after magnesium supplementation.As I said I felt everything improving , and then I ended up with going back where I was.I have to mention also , that my heart used to race when I was at bed sometimes.This has seriously diminshed after the magnesium dosage and hasnt come back.
So obviously there is something that was depleted with the magnesium but also magnesium got first where it was most needed.I tried the potassium but it was not it.Neither the sodium.Also now when Im checking the taste of potassium chloride it tastes bad , indicating I dont have a potassium deficiency.
After I had severe insomnia , I tried supplementing with calcium(2-3 capsules of eggshell calcium per day which is around 400 mg of elemental calcium per capsule).The first time I took it , it knocked me out.Also felt some changes in my ear pressure(maybe indicating a change in blood pressure???).I was not taking it with magnesium.Now something strange happened.My sleep cycle is again ruined but in a different manner than before.I seem to get extremely sleepy around the evening and sleep till the night , and thats it for my sleep(still insomnia but not like before).From that maybe we can conclude that magnesium/calcium play a major role in our circadian rythm and defdiciencies can affect them greatly(????).
If calcium was what I was missing Im thinking again of supplementing with magnesium since Im getting my calcium.I ll report back.
Ay input will be greatly apreciated.
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Canari
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1) Find the topic about it, I think march posted it. I just repeat.
2) Some other metals can take place of the right one. It can be the case of aluminium taking place of Mg. I have some aluminium though not sky high, and I have quite high Mg though I needed supplementation! And my Ca is indeed high.... BUT it is not high in the test, it is correct.... This is my K which is too low compared to Ca...
With the domino method, you can turn around like in a labiryth for a long time...
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After trying magnesium and getting an ipromvemnt on all my symptoms I crashed with chest pain and insomnia.I came to the conclusion that I would need to work firstly on my sodium and potassium levels.So I did.I decided to supplement with sodium till it was no longer palatable and do the same with potassium after.(sodium chloride and potassium chloride)
After supplementing with sodium , I got bloating which persisted for two days and then the water came out(indicating that my aldosterone has been adjusted downwards).Also my sleep programm seemed to be amazing , I was very sleepy every day at around 23:00 and I was going to bed , waking up early.This didnt last long, my sleep shedule got out of wack soon.
Also potassium chloride started tasting very good after supplementing with sodium.So I started supplementing with a lot of potassium per day.I got detox symptoms from it(mailny flu like) and I kept till my sleep was good again.To be exact I have taken like 400 grams of potassium chloride(which is around 150 grams of elemental potassium) to reach to that point and it was still palatable and I was still getting some detox symptoms.
Now I started getting magnesium and I only saw some miniscule benefits(tiny improvement in libido and energy) , also simultaneous constipation and diarhea(maybe its adjusting my gut flora??)
So now I am wondering what is going on?
Does magnesium need potassium to be absorbed?This question is very important.
I have read somewhere that magnesium deficiency exacerbates potassium wasting , that would be a good explanation for potassium chloride still being palatable after so much I have taken.But I was still getting detox symtoms when I stopped it.
After trying magnesium and getting an ipromvemnt on all my symptoms I crashed with chest pain and insomnia.I came to the conclusion that I would need to work firstly on my sodium and potassium levels.So I did.I decided to supplement with sodium till it was no longer palatable and do the same with potassium after.(sodium chloride and potassium chloride)
After supplementing with sodium , I got bloating which persisted for two days and then the water came out(indicating that my aldosterone has been adjusted downwards).Also my sleep programm seemed to be amazing , I was very sleepy every day at around 23:00 and I was going to bed , waking up early.This didnt last long, my sleep shedule got out of wack soon.
Also potassium chloride started tasting very good after supplementing with sodium.So I started supplementing with a lot of potassium per day.I got detox symptoms from it(mailny flu like) and I kept till my sleep was good again.To be exact I have taken like 400 grams of potassium chloride(which is around 150 grams of elemental potassium) to reach to that point and it was still palatable and I was still getting some detox symptoms.
Now I started getting magnesium and I only saw some miniscule benefits(tiny improvement in libido and energy) , also simultaneous constipation and diarhea(maybe its adjusting my gut flora??)
So now I am wondering what is going on?
Does magnesium need potassium to be absorbed?This question is very important.
I have read somewhere that magnesium deficiency exacerbates potassium wasting , that would be a good explanation for potassium chloride still being palatable after so much I have taken.But I was still getting detox symtoms when I stopped it.
HerrFisch
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In what time period did you take 400 grams of potassium chloride?
And did you combine the electrolytes or just one after another?
I ingested 400 grams of potassium chloride in a period of two and a half weeks.
I took one after another.Before taking the sodium , potassium chloride would taste awfull and its supplementation would do nothing.
Yes of course I am sure.
Its not dangerous.Same with sodium chloride.There exists a bowel tolerance with those salts.Once you had enough you get diarhea.
no calcium and magnesium do not go up together... dude don't post if you don't know what you are talking about, calcium can go up too high, and magnesium can drop too low, magnesium is a calcium blocker, it blocks from too much calcium being in the cell, so magnesium wouldn't go up with calcium, if anything, calcium will be too high and magnesium will be low, then as your magnesium increases, it should bring your calcium down to a better level, if your calcium is too high of course
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Taking a lot of K IS DANGEROUS.
What you are doing is like activating a pendulum, what you go on one side, same will go on the other side! Recipe for CRASH.
What you ask has no answer because it depends on your present minerals in your present body. That is why we do hair tests. The effects will be different for each person.
Ca and Mg are my highest minerals, and K is thus low, but also P! BUT YOU DO NOT CORRECT WHAT IS LOW BY GIVING MORE OF IT. Not always.
What I agree with, is palability. But if you take too much until you do not like the taste, it will already mean you have gone too far, as we humans are not enough abe to distinguish the slightest first sign of lowering the palability.... Please at least train this, and diminish when you notice the 1st slightest change. It is not easy to notice because we are not trained to notice. Nobody is better at this, orr nobody is good enough, no shame, lets not be presumptuous....
What you are doing is like activating a pendulum, what you go on one side, same will go on the other side! Recipe for CRASH.
What you ask has no answer because it depends on your present minerals in your present body. That is why we do hair tests. The effects will be different for each person.
Ca and Mg are my highest minerals, and K is thus low, but also P! BUT YOU DO NOT CORRECT WHAT IS LOW BY GIVING MORE OF IT. Not always.
What I agree with, is palability. But if you take too much until you do not like the taste, it will already mean you have gone too far, as we humans are not enough abe to distinguish the slightest first sign of lowering the palability.... Please at least train this, and diminish when you notice the 1st slightest change. It is not easy to notice because we are not trained to notice. Nobody is better at this, orr nobody is good enough, no shame, lets not be presumptuous....
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Yup! It also specifically "blocks" or rather, inhibits the Calcium in (N-Type) nerve terminals; leading to a reduction in central Norepinephrine and thus - decreased Blood Pressure.
--> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15477382
Hypertension. 2004 Dec;44(6):897-902. Epub 2004 Oct 11.
Magnesium inhibits norepinephrine release by blocking N-type calcium channels at peripheral sympathetic nerve endings.
Shimosawa T1, Takano K, Ando K, Fujita T.
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Although Mg2+ contributes to blood pressure regulation partly in terms of vasodilator action, its sympatholytic effect may also play an important role to control blood pressure. Thus, in the present study, we investigated the effect of Mg2+ on sympathetic tone and blood pressure. We studied its actions on the blood pressure response to hydralazine, a direct vasodilator, in conscious spontaneously hypertensive rats (SHRs), and to electrical stimulation in the pithed Sprague-Dawley rat; catecholamine release by peripheral sympathetic nerve endings; and the N-type Ca2+ channels of cultured neural cells. Intravenous Mg2+ infusion (MgSO4: 3x10(-6) mol/kg body weight/min) induced the greater hypotensive response to hydralazine with attenuated reflex tachycardia in SHRs. In pithed rats, Mg2+ infusion significantly attenuated the blood pressure elevation (2+/-2 mm Hg versus 27+/-6 mm Hg, P<0.01) in response to spinal electrical stimulation. In the perfused mesenteric arteries system, norepinephrine release was significantly attenuated (51+/-2%, P<0.01) by high Mg2+ concentration solution (4.8 mmol/L) compared with normal Mg2+ solution (1.2 mmol/L). When we applied the perforated whole-cell patch clamp method to nerve growth factor-treated PC12 cells, Mg2+ blocked voltage-gated Ca2+ currents in a concentration-dependent manner. The majority of the voltage-gated Ca2+ currents were carried through N-type channels, followed by L-type channels. Mg2+ blocked both of these channels. These findings suggest that Mg2+ blocks mainly N-type Ca2+ channels at nerve endings, and thus inhibits norepinephrine release, which decreases blood pressure independent of its direct vasodilating action.
PMID: 15477382 DOI: 10.1161/01.HYP.0000146536.68208.84
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Low intake or low absorption, maybe too much Iron or Manganese in your blood?
Could be Copper excess...could be not enough probiotics/enzymes in the gut...
Could be a lot of things!
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Other cofactors are bicarb, and i think vitamin E and chromium can also help.
Also keep in mind sugar, alcohol and too many carbs use up magnesium fast. What is your diet like?
Stress also uses up magnesium fast
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Sounds really dangerous. Why dont you do a hair test and follow a protocol?
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Magnesium isn't causing the Chest Pain.
Its either one of two things going on
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1.) You have incorrectly taken the pills and had reflux/coating is irritating your tract...causing hypersensitivity symptoms.
2.) You simply didn't have enough Potassium (K+) in Blood in the first place.
...Both should be considered carefully but based on what you have said you *probably* just have low Potassium.
Assuming you don't abuse drugs...even Albuterol inhalers lower Potassium levels if used too frequently. This creates a disturbed Heart Rhythm in sensitive individuals...low Potassium can cause Memory Problems and alter your Mood as well!!!