Cant get magnesium levels up
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B6 or P5P? Only taking the P5P form stopped my eyelid from spasming...
Then I have actually quite high Mg, in blood AND in hair test, and it might be for me that I have high Aluminum, that can take its place, thus high Mg but not working....
Then, for Mg that cannot go up, 2 things come to my mind: lack of absorption, then use topically, like Mg oil on the skin.
Or it comes from your body regulating ratios for an unknown reason that only your body knows now...
I am using b6 not p5p.I have also tried magnesium oil but it doesnt work.It is like my body homeastiatic mechanisms seits mg low.When I supplement , my mg level comes up but its lost the next day.Like my body cant hold on to it.
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The original cause was also taking zinc. I remind you he good answer of gbol that is in your log:
"Zinc lowers magnesium which makes copper biounavailable. This will lower your serum manganese. Calcium magnesium copper zinc manganese supplement will fix you up. Copper alone 25mg will increase sodium too much and that will lower magnesium. Bottom line, copper when you take it , it tanks potassium and puts pressure on magnesium. Since you dont have enough magnesium , you taking copper is doing nothing.
This is the biggest mistake of people taking copper. Copper only should be taken with potassium and magnesium and sometimes manganese. Otherwise taking copper will never raise your ceruloplasmin. For your body to retain copper you need to support potassium level with potassium and magnesium.
In any case, try supplement magnesium, calcium, d3, zinc, copper , manganese, boron"
As you asked for the dose... who can say exactly... just try to buy the supp and take 1 of each, as they are supposed to be made to take as they are sold... Boron might not be about guessing you are low, but it is meant to support the action of the rest. I can suggest you look in a big website like iherb.
Thus you can look for a supp that gives you both Mg and Calcium together, I am sure this exists. Maybe you find one that also has the D3 in it!
Then try to find one that gives you both zinc and copper together, this combo exists too. Maybe they have one with manganese as well?
Then D3 on its own, if not with Ca and Mg, and boron on its own. Be open to look at the combo that exist and we are not aware of. I can save you buy more boxes if you find several in the same pill!
I still think you can get benefit from adding p5p...
"Zinc lowers magnesium which makes copper biounavailable. This will lower your serum manganese. Calcium magnesium copper zinc manganese supplement will fix you up. Copper alone 25mg will increase sodium too much and that will lower magnesium. Bottom line, copper when you take it , it tanks potassium and puts pressure on magnesium. Since you dont have enough magnesium , you taking copper is doing nothing.
This is the biggest mistake of people taking copper. Copper only should be taken with potassium and magnesium and sometimes manganese. Otherwise taking copper will never raise your ceruloplasmin. For your body to retain copper you need to support potassium level with potassium and magnesium.
In any case, try supplement magnesium, calcium, d3, zinc, copper , manganese, boron"
As you asked for the dose... who can say exactly... just try to buy the supp and take 1 of each, as they are supposed to be made to take as they are sold... Boron might not be about guessing you are low, but it is meant to support the action of the rest. I can suggest you look in a big website like iherb.
Thus you can look for a supp that gives you both Mg and Calcium together, I am sure this exists. Maybe you find one that also has the D3 in it!
Then try to find one that gives you both zinc and copper together, this combo exists too. Maybe they have one with manganese as well?
Then D3 on its own, if not with Ca and Mg, and boron on its own. Be open to look at the combo that exist and we are not aware of. I can save you buy more boxes if you find several in the same pill!
I still think you can get benefit from adding p5p...
Do you think that I have a deficiency in vitamin b6 and b6 supplements are not succesfull in raising b6 so I need p5p to fix this deficiency in order for magnesium to be absorbed?Does zinc deplete vitamin b6?You say that p5p supplements made you have high mg but blood levels are not usually good for those kinds of tests.How about you do a taste test?Dissolve arpund 1/8 tsp of epsom salts in 250 ml of water.If this tastes sweet or ''thick'' you are deficienct.If it tastes bitter you are good.I consider this to be a better method of testing.When I supplement with mg , after a few hours the tastes test tastes bitter , but the next day it tastes again sweet.Possibly indicating that my body cant hold mg.
I dont think that calcium supplements are a good idea since I used to supplement with high doses vitamin d and my calcium levels on a blood tests come on the high end.I think that magnesium is key in this one.
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J4son, even if I know little, there are things lacking in what you say. It is not true that we supplement because there is a deficiency, or not always true. You do not need to fix deficiencies but balance the minerals, and when some goes up, it makes some others go up at the same time, while it makes others go down. This is what gbol told you with zinc: it lowers magnesium = even if you take magnesium!
More over, I know that Mg goes away easily in urine and sweat. So you are misled when you think your body cannot hold Mg! I would say that nobody does! We need to get some Mg every day, all of us. And if your body down regulate too much one mineral, it means there is something more complicated than a mere deficiency: a complicated relationship between all minerals.
Then B6 and p5p are the same stuff, just that p5p is the bioavailable form of B6, that is why it is more efficient. And you do not need to correct a deficiency, and I did not say it made me have high Mg! I said I felt that my symptoms of low Mg were going away. It is not about deficiency, it is about MAKING THE MINERAL WORK.
Then if you do not want to take calcium, well do not take it. But if your calcium is high in blood, it can very well mean that it does not do its job, and stays in blood instead of being in your tissues.
Having something high in blood can be a sign that it is not being used by the body. Even for thyroid hormones this can be the case! it can be the case for insuline too, people have it high in the blood when it does not go into the cells to do its job. Same for cortisol and everything, hormones or minerals...
So ok, Mg is key, but Mg alone does not help you and did not fix you, so try to modify your protocol, like replace B6 by the p5p which is the active form of the B6. And then, either you try the idea you were given, or you 1st do the hair test to know more. BUT, do not count on blood tests for mineral contents, and do not count on taking just what you miss alone. If it was working this way, we would all be fixed easily...
More over, I know that Mg goes away easily in urine and sweat. So you are misled when you think your body cannot hold Mg! I would say that nobody does! We need to get some Mg every day, all of us. And if your body down regulate too much one mineral, it means there is something more complicated than a mere deficiency: a complicated relationship between all minerals.
Then B6 and p5p are the same stuff, just that p5p is the bioavailable form of B6, that is why it is more efficient. And you do not need to correct a deficiency, and I did not say it made me have high Mg! I said I felt that my symptoms of low Mg were going away. It is not about deficiency, it is about MAKING THE MINERAL WORK.
Then if you do not want to take calcium, well do not take it. But if your calcium is high in blood, it can very well mean that it does not do its job, and stays in blood instead of being in your tissues.
Having something high in blood can be a sign that it is not being used by the body. Even for thyroid hormones this can be the case! it can be the case for insuline too, people have it high in the blood when it does not go into the cells to do its job. Same for cortisol and everything, hormones or minerals...
So ok, Mg is key, but Mg alone does not help you and did not fix you, so try to modify your protocol, like replace B6 by the p5p which is the active form of the B6. And then, either you try the idea you were given, or you 1st do the hair test to know more. BUT, do not count on blood tests for mineral contents, and do not count on taking just what you miss alone. If it was working this way, we would all be fixed easily...
In the case of aluminium replacing magnesium dont you Think magnesium supplementation is extra important?
I also have high magnesium on hair test and Got a vaccine with aluminium in it a few years ago...
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Yes I think it is important to take it. Some years ago I need to get injections! They are painful as intramuscular, and as nurses do not all know what slow injection means... but worth it. i had that twice and each time it helped.In the case of aluminium replacing magnesium dont you Think magnesium supplementation is extra important?
Anyway we loose Mg easily and need a regular intake. Kidneys will remove the extra anyway.
I hate aluminium taste since a child... also got vaccine, they all have Al I think.
Yes I agree - we must work on lowering aluminium (and other potential metals) otherwise magnesium Will never take its proper place.. the hard part is that there are many other interactions besides aluminium ......
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I understand that we produce enough or not enough or too much CO2... but I do not understand "utilizing CO2 correctly"! What does it mean?
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Are you testing hair, serum, RBC, or urinary magnesium?
So waht can I do?
I am ttesting via taste , as I described earlier
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This does not give mattyb what he wants to know. J4son, you have to go out of the thinking of Mg alone. You test with your taste, to know if you need Mg. BUT you loose Mg avery day and you need it every day. A problem such as yours is NOT only about Mg. It is about the ratio of Mg with other minerals, and with co-factors such as vitamines.
2"hair, serum, RBC, or urinary magnesium?"
What mattyb means by "testing" is ANALYSIS. Do you have analysis about your levels of Mg? If so, what sort of analysis is it ? "hair, serum, RBC, or urinary magnesium?"
If you have no analysis with numbers, and if you think you can't get your Mg up just because you test with your taste that you need it again and again, well, this is NOT a result, as it is NORMAL that you test/taste that you need Mg again and again!
I had done a blood test recently and it came up
Mg:2.06 normal range(1.58-2.55)
But this does not mean much.Even if mg is low then the body will draw mg from tissues and bones to keep serum level ''normal''
When you mentioned that you took p5p , what dosage did you take and for how long to see results?