Cant get magnesium levels up

[Canari]

No mater how much I supplement( I also supplement with boron and vitamin b6) , my magnesium cant come up.What could be causing this?

I had done a blood test recently and it came up Mg:2.06 normal range(1.58-2.55)

I think this is what matyb wanted to know!
So how do you know your Mg can't come up?

p5p , what dosage did you take and for how long to see results?

I just bought the supp over the counter and took 1 per day... Then I do not remember in how long my eye lid tremors went away, but not long, a few days. Before this I was taking Mg alone and had no result.
The dosage of p5p is not high, each pill have less than what they put as b6, just because p5p is the active form and it needs little.

 

[J4son]

I think this is what matyb wanted to know!
So how do you know your Mg can't come up?


I just bought the supp over the counter and took 1 per day... Then I do not remember in how long my eye lid tremors went away, but not long, a few days. Before this I was taking Mg alone and had no result.
The dosage of p5p is not high, each pill have less than what they put as b6, just because p5p is the active form and it needs little.

I know my mg cant come up because if my levels were sufficient it would taste bitter.My body can only hold it for a short time.

I tried taking it with p5p before an hour or so , let see how it goes.

 

[Canari]

I know my mg cant come up because if my levels were sufficient it would taste bitter.My body can only hold it for a short time.

You are mislead here.... I tolf you this was normal, as we need to take some every day, so your test is correct and we would all have the same result. Your results are normal in blood and your body has Mg, but you need to go on taking it every day, or eat it in food every day.

 

[mattyb]

Get a urine test for Mg to see if you are actually wasting Mg. At the very least get an RBC or hair test. This taste test isn't reliable, especially if you are drinking your mixture of epsom salts when you do it, because epsom salts are diuretic. Don't try and treat something you don't even know you have yet.

 

[galio23]

b1 and taurine keep magnesium in the cells i think

 

[johnsmith]

I just heard Dr. Garrett Smith express how remarkably less effective magnesium pills are at raising magnesium levels on hair tests.

I think Im going to get some magnesium chloride and make my own topical spray.

Are you still doing this @TubZy ?

 

[TubZy]

I just heard Dr. Garrett Smith express how remarkably less effective magnesium pills are at raising magnesium levels on hair tests.

I think Im going to get some magnesium chloride and make my own topical spray.

Are you still doing this @TubZy ?

No, I stopped using mag chloride a while ago, but out of all the magnesiums I tried it was the only one that I actually felt something from and actually felt good on it compared to bloated and tired/brain fog like the oral ones probably since PFS destroys your digestion so I doubt I was even properly absorbing it orally. So I think Dr. Smith is right, at least in my case for sure

 

[johnsmith]

@TubZy Hes pretty against vitamin D supplementation. Are you with him on that too?

 

[TubZy]

@TubZy Hes pretty against vitamin D supplementation. Are you with him on that too?

Haven't seen his thoughts on it but supplementing vitamin D alters so many other pathways like K2, calcium, magnesium etc. so unless you are supplementing with it all the other co-factors I wouldn't, even then the sun is better (but yeah the winter sucks). I have in the past and never noticed anything from it

 

[J4son]

magnesium lowers your breathing drive. you are not utilizing Co2 correctly. Thus magnesium is not allowed to rise.

b1 and taurine keep magnesium in the cells i think

Get a urine test for Mg to see if you are actually wasting Mg. At the very least get an RBC or hair test. This taste test isn't reliable, especially if you are drinking your mixture of epsom salts when you do it, because epsom salts are diuretic. Don't try and treat something you don't even know you have yet.

You are mislead here.... I tolf you this was normal, as we need to take some every day, so your test is correct and we would all have the same result. Your results are normal in blood and your body has Mg, but you need to go on taking it every day, or eat it in food every day.

After some trial I did in the last month with magnesium this is what happened

I tried solgar chelated magnesium large doses and magnesium oil spray.In around two days I had symptoms of copper dumping , and also my symptoms started getting immensly better and my situation improved drastically.After around 2 days I got pain in my chest(heart area) and everything went back down.No copper dumping(=no increase in ceruloplasim).Also I was feeling very lethargic , dont know if it was a healing reaction or a deficiency in sodium because when I took natural himalayan salt(for the sodium) I felt better.

After researching the heart pain I found out it could be from potassium deficiency.I started taking potassium(in the form of potassium chloride) and sodium and it wen completely away.Could magnesium be causing a deficiency in potassium , or does magnesium needs to be absorbed?I also took potassium chloride(put the potassium chloride in capsules and swallow it) but this caused some stomach pain and no aleviation after I tried magnesium supplements(like they dont work again).

I know it is magnesium because when I took it all my symptoms started disapearing but then it stopped working again.I know Im very close but I just cant figure out this final part.If any of you guys are still reading this Im very curious if you know something.

 

[tanedout]

After some trial I did in the last month with magnesium this is what happened

I tried solgar chelated magnesium large doses and magnesium oil spray.In around two days I had symptoms of copper dumping , and also my symptoms started getting immensly better and my situation improved drastically.After around 2 days I got pain in my chest(heart area) and everything went back down.No copper dumping(=no increase in ceruloplasim).Also I was feeling very lethargic , dont know if it was a healing reaction or a deficiency in sodium because when I took natural himalayan salt(for the sodium) I felt better.

After researching the heart pain I found out it could be from potassium deficiency.I started taking potassium(in the form of potassium chloride) and sodium and it wen completely away.Could magnesium be causing a deficiency in potassium , or does magnesium needs to be absorbed?I also took potassium chloride(put the potassium chloride in capsules and swallow it) but this caused some stomach pain and no aleviation after I tried magnesium supplements(like they dont work again).

I know it is magnesium because when I took it all my symptoms started disapearing but then it stopped working again.I know Im very close but I just cant figure out this final part.If any of you guys are still reading this Im very curious if you know something.

Sounds very similar to what I have with the chest pains. I've had low potassium on blood tests and also low phosphates. Supplementing with potassium definitely helps, and drinking lots of coconut water (very high in potassium) and eating foods which are a good source go phosphorous, I tend to try and eat lots of cottage cheese. Also found vitamin d helps.

 

[Canari]

It is incredible how fast you react to taking something! I have low potssium but have none of this. It is not very low, but the ratio to calcium is not correct. Also low phosphorus but Mg ok in hair and blood, maybe from all those supps!

 

[J4son]

It is incredible how fast you react to taking something! I have low potssium but have none of this. It is not very low, but the ratio to calcium is not correct. Also low phosphorus but Mg ok in hair and blood, maybe from all those supps!

Hey I dont think it is just me that reacts so fast.When the body gets what it needs it can return to homeostasis pretty fast I think.

Could a deficiency in phosphorus be causing this?In my previous test I got blood levels for phosphorus 3.0 mg/dl normal range-> 2.5-5 mg/dl

Also could a deficiency in sodium have something to do with it? (sodium levels were 138 normal range->135-147 mg/dl)

 

[Canari]

Hey I dont think it is just me that reacts so fast.When the body gets what it needs it can return to homeostasis pretty fast I think.

Right, I reacted over night, and super well, the 1st time I took methyl-B12. But it was not enough on its own.
I also reacted good to zinc, and lastly I reacted bad to it. Then saw I lack bioavailable copper...

When trying high carb, I never felt anything from taking progesterone, I could have taken pure oil it was the same.

I don't know how to interpret fast or slow reactions to supps, but I find it interesting topic....

I think that when something works fast, then we are at risk to get the opposite unbalance afterward! I mean we can reach the "too much of a good thing" quicker...

 

[J4son]

Right, I reacted over night, and super well, the 1st time I took methyl-B12. But it was not enough on its own.
I also reacted good to zinc, and lastly I reacted bad to it. Then saw I lack bioavailable copper...

When trying high carb, I never felt anything from taking progesterone, I could have taken pure oil it was the same.

I don't know how to interpret fast or slow reactions to supps, but I find it interesting topic....

I think that when something works fast, then we are at risk to get the opposite unbalance afterward! I mean we can reach the "too much of a good thing" quicker...

I have an other theory.In order for a supplement to work you need to have enough of another cofactor.If you have little of this cofactor , the supplement will work but it will deplete the cofactor also.Thats why you may feel bad afterwards.The supplement did its job but it depleted the other cofactor.The depletion of the other cofactor led to some symptoms but also to the same supplement you were taking to stop its effect since it cant work wwihout the cofactor.

 

[Canari]

Intellectually i think it is a good idea!
I took zinc and depleted copper, or else i would have been bad on zinc from the start.
With methyl, there are I suppose many things that can get depeted... acutally i do not know enough to know what is a co-factor for what!

Do you think for example in case such as B6 going with Mg?

 

[J4son]

Intellectually i think it is a good idea!
I took zinc and depleted copper, or else i would have been bad on zinc from the start.
With methyl, there are I suppose many things that can get depeted... acutally i do not know enough to know what is a co-factor for what!

Do you think for example in case such as B6 going with Mg?

b12 depletes potassium and jumpstarts methylation.But this is not the only way you can jumpstart methylation.It can also happen from large doses of vitamin b2 , I had to find that the hard way.Methylation depletes potassium , when potassium goes low , other minerals will get depleted also so the body can stay in homeostasis.

I have experimented with b6 and p5p.I find p5p to be superior to b6 but I dont get as intense dreams as with b6.I think that it is a cofactor but not a critical one , as the one I am trying to find.

 

[Canari]

Great, thanks, you found for me.... B12, and then I am too low in potassium...
What I have learned last year is that too long of a good thing is too long!
lol when it is long enough...?

 

[J4son]

Great, thanks, you found for me.... B12, and then I am too low in potassium...
What I have learned last year is that too long of a good thing is too long!
lol when it is long enough...?

I dont know , it depends on your body.You probably have different problems than me.I dont think that b12 alone is enough to solve any problem though.

 

[J4son]

What is the relationship between calcium and magnesium?Could magnesium deplete calcium?After supplementing with magnesium I got some bad symptoms(including insomnia) which did not respond to potassium supplementation so maybe its calcium(???)

Does magnesium need calcium to be absorbed?

How much calcium should one be taking per day?I made eggshell calcium and put it in capsules.After my meal I took 2 capsules and slept like a rock for like 7 hours.No increase in libido though.

Could this be what I misinterpreted as magnesium lowering potassium?