Clomid protocol

[Namelk]

Could someone tell me if I start taking zinc on the first day that I decrease the clomid to 50 mg or in the second week taking 50 mg of clomid? one post says to take when you start to decrease the clomid and another says to start 2 weeks after starting the protocol, so I have that doubt now.

one post says :

"From week 2 on Clomid, you need to start taking Zinc with vitamin E. Don't take Zinc before that. Zinc needs to be taken since if not taken while you lower Clomid it won't cure you.

but also have another post saying that you should start taking zinc 2 weeks after starting the protocol, this one.

Clomiphene ED 150mg 3 days, 100mg 4 days, 50mg 2 weeks, 25mg 4 weeks; cabergoline 0.25mg E4D; 2 WEEKS AFTER START, begin taking Zinc gluconate 20-50mg + NAD 500mg + vitamin E
*can substitute Enclomiphene for clomiphene at half the dose
*can substitute dexamethasone for clomiphene as well
*key is to slowly reduce the dose of clomiphene or substitute

Do I need to know if I start taking zinc at the beginning of the second week when I decrease the dose of clomid to 50 mg or 2 weeks after the start of the protocol that would be in the second week taking the clomid 50 mg?
that is why I have this doubt.

or to answer me better, tell me if I start with zinc after 7 days of protocol or after 14 days?

[mention]gbolduev[/mention]


I'm on the sixth day of the protocol and tomorrow is the last one with 100 mg, so I need to confirm this.

 

[Diesel]

You should start taking zinc whenever you start lowering your clomid dose. From what I can remember, the 2 week time frame is not that important. The key is to start taking zinc as clomid slowly begins to leave your system.

This is to prevent the prog receptors from upregulating again once clomid leaves your system.

 

[Scenes]

Personally I would do the second one as it’s more detailed and easy to follow.

Promise you there is no exact science to this just yet, you’ve written your question half a dozen times but no one can tell you the answer. Ultimately they will both do the same thing.

People are asking for exact protocols but surely you can see on this forum everyone is experimenting with doses and timing.

You’ll be fine either way...

 

[Namelk]

I'm sorry for my despair, lol. [mention]Scenes[/mention]

I will wait [mention]gbolduev[/mention] reply me

 

[Scenes]

I'm sorry for my despair, lol. @Scenes

I will wait @gbolduev reply me

Lol I’m not mocking your despair. I’m telling you exactly what he would tell you, given he wrote both of those protocols you keep mentioning.

I’ve also chatted to him several times and each time discovered, whilst he clearly knows what he is talking about, he is experimenting and going by our results/symptoms more than he is following strictly tested protocols.

 

[IHateFin]

i believe in his first post about this method he did add cofactors when he dropped to 50mg. [mention]joekool[/mention] can even chime in here as he did the exact protocol.

 

[joekool]

Definitely, I did the clomid protocol. I did 150mgs for about 10 days or two weeks, then dropped to 100 for 3 days. Then 50mgs for two weeks where I added 30mgs zinc and cabergoline. I'll find my exact data but saw repair in my genitals so it was pretty successful.

 

[brix]

Both protocols call for zinc at day 14 from my understanding. I am going to start this protocol. Taking cabergoline every fourth day from the start.

 

[Namelk]

[mention]gbolduev[/mention]

I need to confirm this: / Today is the first day of clomid 50 mg

 

[Namelk]

I am currently almost at the end of the protocol, Monday I start taking 25 mg of clomid, until then I am not feeling anything positive, I just noticed that my libido has decreased even more

 

[Jaxx]

Which was to be expected i guess? Thanks for the update!

 

[Namelk]

And I decided to start taking the zinc, NAD + vit E on the day I lowered the clomid to 50 mg on the eighth day, and I am keeping it

 

[Namelk]

Which was to be expected i guess? Thanks for the update!

I hoped that as soon as I decreased the dosage of clomid I would begin to feel something positive, but I am hopeful that this happens when I terminate the protocol

 

[Namelk]

I mean, I also smoke marijuana a few times a week, since I've been in this shit because of accutane, it's the only thing that gives me some sense of happiness and pleasure in some things I do, I do not know if that interferes with protocol, I think that not because I do not smoke much and not to be every day, only at night when I get from work sometimes and on weekends, I have no sense of pleasure in life and I have depersonalization, skin extremely dry, libido practically 0 and Sexual desire, I feel disconnected from my body all the time and I'm always tired: /

 

[Namelk]

I believe that I am a fast oxidizer, I practice bodybuilding almost every day to about 5 years (even though I am always tired and without motivation, I do not stop because I think this is one of the few things that helps me), I have a good diet, I fast also for 14 to 16 hours a few times a week, I tried many and many things in those 3 years since I took accutane and nothing improved me, it seems that every month I am getting worse and feeling more still out of my body and my feelings

 

[Namelk]

I'm waiting for [mention]gbolduev[/mention] to tell me what you think,
and thank you for helping me and everyone here

 

[Namelk]

And I decided to start taking the zinc, NAD + vit E on the day I lowered the clomid to 50 mg on the eighth day, and I am keeping it

 

[wuf]

I mean, I also smoke marijuana a few times a week, since I've been in this shit because of accutane, it's the only thing that gives me some sense of happiness and pleasure in some things I do, I do not know if that interferes with protocol, I think that not because I do not smoke much and not to be every day, only at night when I get from work sometimes and on weekends, I have no sense of pleasure in life and I have depersonalization, skin extremely dry, libido practically 0 and Sexual desire, I feel disconnected from my body all the time and I'm always tired: /

Do not smoke weed man, that interfere for sure.
On clomid you should not have libido at all.
Once you will stop the protocol, time should make you snap back..

 

[wuf]

I mean, I also smoke marijuana a few times a week, since I've been in this shit because of accutane, it's the only thing that gives me some sense of happiness and pleasure in some things I do, I do not know if that interferes with protocol, I think that not because I do not smoke much and not to be every day, only at night when I get from work sometimes and on weekends, I have no sense of pleasure in life and I have depersonalization, skin extremely dry, libido practically 0 and Sexual desire, I feel disconnected from my body all the time and I'm always tired: /

Same here man...
did you ever try to do not use any supplements/medication?
How long are you suffering?

 

[Namelk]

I mean, I also smoke marijuana a few times a week, since I've been in this shit because of accutane, it's the only thing that gives me some sense of happiness and pleasure in some things I do, I do not know if that interferes with protocol, I think that not because I do not smoke much and not to be every day, only at night when I get from work sometimes and on weekends, I have no sense of pleasure in life and I have depersonalization, skin extremely dry, libido practically 0 and Sexual desire, I feel disconnected from my body all the time and I'm always tired: /

Same here man...
did you ever try to do not use any supplements/medication?
How long are you suffering?

Already yes, before starting this protocol of clomid I was not taking anything, just caffeine for bodybuilding sometimes. I took accutane with 17 and I have these problems for 3 years, I'm 20 now