Cold Showers & Hair/Skin

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I can't say I have, as hot water is definitely calming for me and my muscles crave that.
However, I always wash my head in cold water (or lukewarm, if I'm freezing) and I always rinse it with cold table water in the 5.5-5,9 pH range. While the cold seems to help reduce sebum production, I'm convinced it's not ideal in terms of scalp tension. When I was younger, I remember my scalp was seemingly boiling and scratchy. I believe diet changes AND cold water have helped it soothe.
 

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Been doing cold showers for the past three days and my hair quality looks very good and my shedding decreased a lot. Anyone else notice this?
Do you mean general showers? Or as ivy?

Do you include cold water on your head?
 

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Been doing cold showers for the past three days and my hair quality looks very good and my shedding decreased a lot. Anyone else notice this?

@TubZy I'm a PSSD case and am not balding but I did used to shed a LOT of hair, cold showering definitely helped that, especially if I kept my head directly under the shower for a minute or more each cold shower.
 

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I can't say I have, as hot water is definitely calming for me and my muscles crave that.
However, I always wash my head in cold water (or lukewarm, if I'm freezing) and I always rinse it with cold table water in the 5.5-5,9 pH range. While the cold seems to help reduce sebum production, I'm convinced it's not ideal in terms of scalp tension. When I was younger, I remember my scalp was seemingly boiling and scratchy. I believe diet changes AND cold water have helped it soothe.

I've been doing full body cold showers but the water is still hitting the head a lot. You are right it defintely does something with sebum prodcuction, I think it "seals" in the sebum. It's not just decreased shedding but hair is much better quality, skin is way less dry too.
 

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@TubZy I'm a PSSD case and am not balding but I did used to shed a LOT of hair, cold showering definitely helped that, especially if I kept my head directly under the shower for a minute or more each cold shower.

Yes, towards the end I have it set on coldest it could go and let it pound my head for like a minute or so, defintely makes an immediate difference, I can tell as soon as I dry my hair when I get out. I do "mildly" cold majority of the shower and the last few minutes I go as cold as it goes basically to the point where I turn off the shower I'm shivering. It actually has been getting easier as time goes on as well.
 
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I finish every shower with a cold rinse. So much better for the skin, really helps lock in the moisture. Otherwise my skin and hair just feel dry.
 

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I can only cold shower in the summer unfortunately because they reduce sweating a lot, and for some reason if I don't sweat regularly I get an extremely painful rash. I feel like doing things that we've been doing for our whole evolutionary history e.g. bathing in cold lakes and spending a lot of time in nature has to be good for us.
 

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I finish every shower with a cold rinse. So much better for the skin, really helps lock in the moisture. Otherwise my skin and hair just feel dry.

Yeah, I did that at first, now I just straight cold and the coldest setting it goes for the last few minutes, I like it better that way now that I'm adjusted. Zero dry skin even during winter months, pretty solid.
 

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Yeah, I did that at first, now I just straight cold and the coldest setting it goes for the last few minutes, I like it better that way now that I'm adjusted. Zero dry skin even during winter months, pretty solid.

Yeah, that's what I do in summer, but in winter I just can't bring myself to do it.
 

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Hey TubZy

Here is some info that supports what you are suggesting, I think you are onto something - FDA clears expanded use of cooling cap to reduce hair loss during chemotherapy:

https://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm565599.htm

I just gave my hair doctor a call and he told me about a new product that works on the wnt pathway. Going to pick some up soon and will report back on any results.

Wnt Pathway Confirmed to Play Critical Role in Hair Growth

Good find! I did some preliminary research, but didn't find this good stuff man. Definitely makes sense

I did hear about the WNT pathway in regards to hair, however I have tried nothing to address it directly. I am familiar with both of those Japanese companies though (I used adenogen in the past). Which product are you trying out?
 

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Good find! I did some preliminary research, but didn't find this good stuff man. Definitely makes sense

I did hear about the WNT pathway in regards to hair, however I have tried nothing to address it directly. I am familiar with both of those Japanese companies though (I used adenogen in the past). Which product are you trying out?

Thanks TubZy. My hair doc has experimental things compounded for him so this product isn't branded or anything. I can mention his details on here if permitted? He is based in Cape Town, SA. I'm waiting on the ingredient list from him and will report back. It also looks like a few scientists are going after that wnt pathway.

Check this out "South Korean scientists found that CXXC-type zinc finger protein 5 (CXXC5) is a negative regulator of the Wnt/β-catenin pathway." - https://www.hairlosscure2020.com/category/wntbeta-catenin/

Amazon has got a product that uses uses Methyl Vanillate as the wnt activator https://www.amazon.com/Spray-Hair-Regrowth-Combat-Baldness/dp/B0725K4CQ9 Topical application of the Wnt/β-catenin activator methyl vanillate increases hair count and hair mass index in women with androgenetic alopecia. - PubMed - NCBI
 

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Thanks TubZy. My hair doc has experimental things compounded for him so this product isn't branded or anything. I can mention his details on here if permitted? He is based in Cape Town, SA. I'm waiting on the ingredient list from him and will report back. It also looks like a few scientists are going after that wnt pathway.

Check this out "South Korean scientists found that CXXC-type zinc finger protein 5 (CXXC5) is a negative regulator of the Wnt/β-catenin pathway." - https://www.hairlosscure2020.com/category/wntbeta-catenin/

Amazon has got a product that uses uses Methyl Vanillate as the wnt activator https://www.amazon.com/Spray-Hair-Regrowth-Combat-Baldness/dp/B0725K4CQ9 Topical application of the Wnt/β-catenin activator methyl vanillate increases hair count and hair mass index in women with androgenetic alopecia. - PubMed - NCBI

Man, that spray on amazon is step, but I might try it. Finasteride and Minoxidil left me with little choice.
 

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Man, that spray on amazon is step, but I might try it. Finasteride and Minoxidil left me with little choice.

@M_Mitchell08, I hear you, going to look for the wnt activators that work and are safe and see if there are other products out there. Methyl Vanillate seems safe and has been used in food stuffs for years methyl vanillate, 3943-74-6 There is also Hovenia dulcis Thunb Extract Hovenia dulcis Thunb Extract and Its Ingredient Methyl Vanillate Activate Wnt/β-Catenin Pathway and Increase Bone Mass in Growing or Ovariectomized Mice

Trying to find a decent coldcap as per TubZy's idea to use at home. Ice cream headaches for some extra hair! It's worth a shot.
 

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Thanks TubZy. My hair doc has experimental things compounded for him so this product isn't branded or anything. I can mention his details on here if permitted? He is based in Cape Town, SA. I'm waiting on the ingredient list from him and will report back. It also looks like a few scientists are going after that wnt pathway.

Check this out "South Korean scientists found that CXXC-type zinc finger protein 5 (CXXC5) is a negative regulator of the Wnt/β-catenin pathway." - https://www.hairlosscure2020.com/category/wntbeta-catenin/

Amazon has got a product that uses uses Methyl Vanillate as the wnt activator https://www.amazon.com/Spray-Hair-Regrowth-Combat-Baldness/dp/B0725K4CQ9 Topical application of the Wnt/β-catenin activator methyl vanillate increases hair count and hair mass index in women with androgenetic alopecia. - PubMed - NCBI

Wow, interesting. Did you see the zinc finger thread in here yet? There are multiple patents for it in terms of hair regrowth.
 

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@TubZy, that's what caught the eye too. I'm giving the electrolytes protocol a try at the moment and feeling a bit better on it. I keep wondering about the hair, people say it has high metabolic requirements but it seems we can't feed our hair well enough from the inside of the body in many people. Do you think in theory we could feed our hair follicles the materials and energy source they need externally? Instead of trying the chemicals approach, doctors sometimes get a result by injecting plasma rich platelets (patients own centrifuged blood). I've tried it and it helps for a while and thickens hair slightly. Imagine a home use derma-roller that could inject minuscule amounts of PRP into your scalp once a week or so. No side effects and lots of hair gains. Anyone know how to design something like this, I would try build it for sure :)
 

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@TubZy, that's what caught the eye too. I'm giving the electrolytes protocol a try at the moment and feeling a bit better on it. I keep wondering about the hair, people say it has high metabolic requirements but it seems we can't feed our hair well enough from the inside of the body in many people. Do you think in theory we could feed our hair follicles the materials and energy source they need externally? Instead of trying the chemicals approach, doctors sometimes get a result by injecting plasma rich platelets (patients own centrifuged blood). I've tried it and it helps for a while and thickens hair slightly. Imagine a home use derma-roller that could inject minuscule amounts of PRP into your scalp once a week or so. No side effects and lots of hair gains. Anyone know how to design something like this, I would try build it for sure :)

Check out this thread, you are down the right path and do control + F and type "hairloss" and you can see all the research. Gbol's PFS Theory (quotes)

For me personally, I think my hair loss may be due to mainly protein wasting since I'm a fast oxidizer. When I take things like castor oil which slows down metabolism, my hair thickens and hair loss stops dramatically, but I definitely feel the slow down in metabolism. In the past, I tried high dose MSM and that made a big difference in my hair and MSM is know for tissue repair.

But here are some excerpts:

Actually, 80 10 10 diet, caused a hairloss for me. HUGE ONE. I almost lost half of my hair on that stupid diet 6 years ag0 when I tried it. Sugar wastes zinc and manganese , needed for insulin, thus you get hairloss. Half of people on Peats diet lose the hell out of their hair. Like all of it. Since CO2 and sugar lowers your CO2 in the cell. You drink bubble water, that is a lot of CO2, body will compensate by lower your potassium in the cell. less potassium= less thyroid effect. Less CO2 produced in the cell. HAIRLOSS cure is to produce CO2 in the cell = high thyroid action. But this can be done only if you utilize your CO2 correctly. Lets say if you are missing adrenaline from undermethylation or your have problems with breathing and gas exchange. Taking in more CO2 as a gas and eating more sugar,, will lower your thyroid action in the cell. This should be understood. and I think this is the main misconcept in Ray Peat's theory.

One more time, for your thyroid to work and for you to produce high CO2 INSIDE OF THE CELL. You need to utilize this CO2 well, breathing it out or converting it to bicarbonate with zinc based enzyme. This is why the worst thing you can do is sit on your ass and eat a lot of carbs. This way, your sympathetic nervous system is not active and you don't breathe out CO2 properly , you sit at your computer all day. And if you eat a lot of sugars in this body chemistry, you will lose your hair, and you will get fat since your body will try to control the CO2 production inside of the cell by lowering potassium which switches off your thyroid action and this lowers your CO2 production inside of the cell.

Now for someone very active and with amazing sympathetic activity and methylation and good levels of zinc ( which converts that extra C02 into bicarbonate) your CO2 production will be high inside of the cell since you can utilize this CO2 properly . That is why cure for hairloss is zinc and manganese, these are 2 minerals which are low in it. This should be used instead of finasteride.

Mineral metabolism of 19 patients with hair loss was examined. The analysis showed manganese deficiency in all 19. Eighteen patients showed considerable problems with calcium absorption, and twelve patients had problems with their zinc metabolism. Specific nutritional and mineral therapy resulted in improved hair growth after 2-3 months of treatment. [Blaurock-Busch, E. Wichtige Nahrstoffe fur Gesunde Haut und Haare, Kosmetik Internat. 3/87]


Of course you can take thyroid hormone and that will produce high CO2 in the cell at first, but then your body will just kill your potassium inside of the cell in an attempt to lower your CO2 production.

Raising metabolic rate increases CO2 production inside of the cell. If you don;t have the ways to get rid of this CO2 later on, body will fight raising the metabolic rate, with everythying it has. It will lower potassium inside of your cell and that will turn off your thyroid even if you are taking T3

In most cases , it is zinc and manganese deficiences , and in some cases it is adrenaline deficiency is what causes your body to keep the low metabolic rate. Thus for people with adrenaline problems( methylation block, lack of cofactors for conversion lets say from noradrenaline to adrenaline, ) when you take thyroid, you feel like crap and you will lose hair.


Basically the idea is to substitute opposition of estrogen by progesterone to opposition of estrogen by DHT.( that is another way to look at it, may be it will be easier to understand) Only in this case DHT receptors will be upregulated to normal. They are very sensitive to estrogen. You increase estrogen and estrogen receptors with clomid and and then when you start getting off clomid . it will be leaving your system with estrogen receptors and estrogen high . This is a good thing. you also use dostinex . In this moment you take zinc not to allow progesterone receptors to upregulate. This will make your CNS upregulate DHT receptors. and increase steroid sensitivity and steroid levels for those who have them low.

This is why some people have sensitivity to DHT which causes hairloss., since receptors are upregulated. usually happens with high copper status and goes away with zinc and manganese treatment not finasteride. This should be the hairloss cure instead of finasteride. And metabolism of manganese and zinc is what is impaired in hairloss.

Manganese blocks 3b hsd, zinc upregulates it, but manganese increases prolactin lowering estrogen receptors and thus DHT sensitivity, but zinc increases DHT levels. This should be the pathway of decreasing DHT sensitivity, not thru progesterone receptors.

Any way out of 3 will work. Then if you experience hairloss after you recover, you can add zinc manganese