merebalacy
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How is one meant to distinguish whether you are copper toxic or deficient? Copper on hair is in range, same with zinc, ceruloplasmin is borderline low.
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Copper deficiency vs toxicity
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@merebalacy If you are not taking high dose copper antagonists like zinc, molybdenum for long period of the time and you still experience copper deficiency that means most likely that you have issues with copper metabolism - the body has hard time making ceruloplasmin.
That can be due to many reasons..
But true copper deficiency meaning your liver and tissues in general are low in copper is basically impossible IF like I said you eat somewhat normal diet(even standart american diet) and you don't take copper antagonists in large doses..
So it is not about low intake. We need very little and in fact the more you have the more likely it will disturb adrenal function and your body will have harder time to use it properly. People have hard time understand this even doctors.. Just look at facebook groups about copper deficiency.
They all take copper and none of them get better actually most of them get worse and worse.. It's because they are not deficient. Their adrenals, liver has hard time make that copper work... Just look at promoters of copper. They all have grey hair. From low bioavailable copper and/or from oxidative stress from that copper...
It is tricky to deal with excess copper once the body lost control over it due to chronic stress and depletion of key cofactors like zinc, B vits, amino acids etc.. or due to exposure to hormones especially estrogen or toxic metals etc.. Taking more copper is not the answer that's for sure..
That can be due to many reasons..
But true copper deficiency meaning your liver and tissues in general are low in copper is basically impossible IF like I said you eat somewhat normal diet(even standart american diet) and you don't take copper antagonists in large doses..
So it is not about low intake. We need very little and in fact the more you have the more likely it will disturb adrenal function and your body will have harder time to use it properly. People have hard time understand this even doctors.. Just look at facebook groups about copper deficiency.
They all take copper and none of them get better actually most of them get worse and worse.. It's because they are not deficient. Their adrenals, liver has hard time make that copper work... Just look at promoters of copper. They all have grey hair. From low bioavailable copper and/or from oxidative stress from that copper...
It is tricky to deal with excess copper once the body lost control over it due to chronic stress and depletion of key cofactors like zinc, B vits, amino acids etc.. or due to exposure to hormones especially estrogen or toxic metals etc.. Taking more copper is not the answer that's for sure..
merebalacy
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I sometimes take molybdenum NAC, and zinc. It’s not a regular thing and they’re at moderate doses. that’s why I was worried tbh, I do get all my RDA for copper and zinc so I should be okay.@merebalacy If you are not taking high dose copper antagonists like zinc, molybdenum for long period of the time and you still experience copper deficiency that means most likely that you have issues with copper metabolism - the body has hard time making ceruloplasmin.
That can be due to many reasons..
But true copper deficiency meaning your liver and tissues in general are low in copper is basically impossible IF like I said you eat somewhat normal diet(even standart american diet) and you don't take copper antagonists in large doses..
So it is not about low intake. We need very little and in fact the more you have the more likely it will disturb adrenal function and your body will have harder time to use it properly. People have hard time understand this even doctors.. Just look at facebook groups about copper deficiency.
They all take copper and none of them get better actually most of them get worse and worse.. It's because they are not deficient. Their adrenals, liver has hard time make that copper work... Just look at promoters of copper. They all have grey hair. From low bioavailable copper and/or from oxidative stress from that copper...
It is tricky to deal with excess copper once the body lost control over it due to chronic stress and depletion of key cofactors like zinc, B vits, amino acids etc.. or due to exposure to hormones especially estrogen or toxic metals etc.. Taking more copper is not the answer that's for sure..
Yea, the ceruloplasmin stuff I have to read into a lot more, do you have any resources or is this site the best place I’ve got?
@merebalacy be careful with Morley Robbins and his "root cause protocol".. His idea is to rise ceruloplasmin, but in most people it does exact opposite.
I don't think you need to worry about this stuff. Just eat balanced diet and live life that will keep your chemistry balanced.
Because I am now convinced after 10+years of testing and doing stupid stuff that if you live in chronic stress, fear, worry. Simply if your body thinks you are in survival situation all the time you will not balance, detox properly no matter what you do.. Vise versa if your body feels good and "safe" you can have pretty bad diet and everything, but the body will be able to balance pretty easily.. You see it all the time. People who don't worry about anything, eat garbage and are doing great. People who have everything perfect and worry about having everything perfect nothing works as it should..
I am trying to change that mindset, but it is hard.. As they say "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" so true(at least for humans hehe)
I don't think you need to worry about this stuff. Just eat balanced diet and live life that will keep your chemistry balanced.
Because I am now convinced after 10+years of testing and doing stupid stuff that if you live in chronic stress, fear, worry. Simply if your body thinks you are in survival situation all the time you will not balance, detox properly no matter what you do.. Vise versa if your body feels good and "safe" you can have pretty bad diet and everything, but the body will be able to balance pretty easily.. You see it all the time. People who don't worry about anything, eat garbage and are doing great. People who have everything perfect and worry about having everything perfect nothing works as it should..
I am trying to change that mindset, but it is hard.. As they say "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" so true(at least for humans hehe)