Copper question

[Admiral]

I am currently taking some time off from these boards just to really rest and focuss on getting better. I think I am on the right track with mineral balancing.

I am 100% certain that I have build up copper in my system that my body is trying to eliminate for weeks now. Some aggrevated and new symptoms, but some plusses as well.

My question however is a big one of which I have yet to get a clear answer on. Even contacted arltma about it. I am hoping @TubZy @gbolduev or @mattyb could help provide answers. My holistic therapist doesn’t seem very confident in his answers about it, either.

I have low (available) copper on my hair test, but I am definitely copper toxic. Cu/Zn ratio is a bit off as well. Now that my body is getting rid of build up copper, is it wise to start supplementing with copper to increase it’s levels? Because it’s only getting lower. Or is that useless?

Really appreciated!

 

[mattyb]

Don't supplement with copper. You will get everything you need from a good diet.

 

[Yura]

Never ever take metals like iron or copper in supplements. If you eat something like paleo you will get probably too much copper.. We don't need much. Same for iron. It is all about cofactors to make copper work.. You need regular blood test of ceruloplasmin, copper and zinc. So you can calculate how much free copper you have and how much bound copper you have. Also don't take ascorbic acid. It inhibits ceruloplasmin production. Same with citric acid(not form fruit but synthetic). Lemon juice is excelent source of natural vit C.. If you have low zinz than take 15-30mg of zinc, but most importantly you need molybdenum, B vitamins especially B6 and vitC from natural sources like lemons, kiwi, camu camu powder etc.. It conteins also enzymatic form of copper. Which is very helpfull.. If you have copper issues then you have adrenal issues. So no sugar(complex carbs low in copper like white basmati rice are ok, but always with some fat, protein and fiber.) no stimulants(coffee etc..) and also no excesive exercise. Especially no long cardio like runing or bicycle.. Some yoga, walking etc.. is benefitinal.. Also dry brushing for lymph cyrculation is great.. There you have how to calculate from blood work. Every 4-6 months is enough. Changes are relatively slow..
How to calculate ratios of Zinc, Copper and Ceruloplasmin from blood tests - A Healthy Meal

 

[Admiral]

Bloodwork is fine for both zinc or copper. Ceruloplasmin is low though. I value my hair levels much more.

I am currently on the electrolyte protocol and some minerals (molybdenum, silica and boron). Build up copper is definitely coming out, but I reckon my lowish copper needs to be upped somehow.

 

[Yura]

I wouldn't take boron if you have copper issues. Boron is very estrogenic. That is the last thing you want right now.. How is your bile flow? Can you digest fatty foods and is yor poop brown color? I have very rarely dark color poop..

 

[Admiral]

My estrogen is ridiculously low, so that’s not an issue. Boron is also very low on my hair test.

Stools are fine, especially with digestive enzyms and HCL. Shit twice a day.

 

[supernature]

I have low (available) copper on my hair test, but I am definitely copper toxic. Cu/Zn ratio is a bit off as well. Now that my body is getting rid of build up copper, is it wise to start supplementing with copper to increase it’s levels?

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[Yura]

From your hair test looks like you are in slow oxidation (at least from this test alone): TEI Slow (PD)- Parasympathetic Dominance, ARL Slow (Thyroid and Adrenals). You might exacerbate the thyroid and adrenals function if extra copper is taken, but can always give it a try and feel it.

Yes so does sugar, stimulants, exercise. But trust me. You will just dig deeper into troubles.. Where this idea comes from. That if you have slow metabolism, slow oxidation, hypothyroidsm etc.. That you will fix this with basically stress?? This is nothing but recipe for disaster. The body is screaming " I am tired". So you go and deplete him even more. Very smart idea.. Something like Ray Peat. Coffee, sugar and even better T3.. You will burn out so quickly, that it is not even funny.. I know this very well after many years of misery..

 

[supernature]

Yes so does sugar, stimulants, exercise....That you will fix this with basically stress??

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[Yura]

I am talking about excessive exercise. Like I was doing with cycling and I could not recover. Exercise is stimulant. It gives you sense of euphoria, but at the end of the day it just make everything worse and it is very hard to stop. Because your body needs dose of this boost, stimul. It is strong like sugar cravings etc.. You feel little better and then you feel even more tired and exhausted. Masturbation exactly the same thing. Stimul, you feel for a minute good and then like complete shit.. You need to move, but not to the point of exhaustion like many people with chronic fatigue are doing ironically..

 

[J4son]

I wouldn't take boron if you have copper issues. Boron is very estrogenic. That is the last thing you want right now.. How is your bile flow? Can you digest fatty foods and is yor poop brown color? I have very rarely dark color poop..

Boron is estrogenic?Where did you get that from?I thought it increased testosterone

 

[Yura]

and estrogen as well..

 

[TubZy]

Boron is estrogenic?Where did you get that from?I thought it increased testosterone

I believe this may be the study, if a remember right..
Effect of dietary boron on mineral, estrogen, and testosterone metabolism in postmenopausal women. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[jacknap]

I believe this may be the study, if a remember right..
Effect of dietary boron on mineral, estrogen, and testosterone metabolism in postmenopausal women. - PubMed - NCBI

studies that chris walker sites show different raises T, DHT, lowers estrogen and lowers SHBG. Seems almost too good to be true.

 

[Nina]

Copper will become available to you when your metabolism improves. Dont supplement, will just build up in your body.

 

[A98648]

Look into Mitosynergy. It's bioavailable copper for people that have low ceruloplasmin and low bioavailable copper but are also copper toxic. It's meant to help the good copper 1 go where it has to without needing ceruloplasmin and also push out the toxic copper 2. Ceruloplasmin is meant to rise over time when using it. MitoActivator has been working the best for me so far. The other ones with glycine in didn't work well for me personally. The symptoms it seems to have eliminated for me so far is anxiety, bad sleep, tremors and yellow stool. I also take a salt from the grocery store called "Lite Salt" which is sodium chloride and potassium chloride. Out of everything I've tried so far these have worked the best for me.