Decalcifying agents

[Legna88]

Actually uncompensated respiratory acidosis would be helpful, since this would acidify things and make calcium ionizable and ready for excretion. Compensated respiratory acidosis would be bad though. Metabolic acidosis will dramatically increase osteoclast activity, so that would be good.

This makes me think that building up to running +100km per week may be another strategy. The heavy breathing from running would mobilize the rib cartilage and the acidosis from exercise would help pull calcium from the rib cage. If I supplement with collagen during this, it may also help rebuild that cartilage without calcium deposition.



Why do you say lowering copper? What's the reasoning behind this?

Having low RQ would make sense, since this would mean blood is high in fatty and keto acids.



I had access to an HR-pQCT when I worked in a bone research lab. I got a bone analysis that you can't get anywhere else, it looks not just superficially at the bone, but actually shows you a cross-section of the bone. I had one of the highest trabecular densities anyone had seen there.

Yes, my teeth have always been very good. Never required any dental work, no cavities, no gum disease, etc.

@mattyb what is ur daily dental hygiene routine? why do u think u have excellent dental health?

regarding the body puling out minerals from bone to keep the blood supplied... could this be that when we test blood sodium levels, the sodium always seems to be at an (false) optimal range/level? you might think you have enough sodium but in reality the body is compensating from the bones and in reality your are severely sodium (and/or other electrolyte) deficient..

 

[mattyb]

@mattyb what is ur daily dental hygiene routine? why do u think u have excellent dental health?

regarding the body puling out minerals from bone to keep the blood supplied... could this be that when we test blood sodium levels, the sodium always seems to be at an (false) optimal range/level? you might think you have enough sodium but in reality the body is compensating from the bones and in reality your are severely sodium (and/or other electrolyte) deficient..

Yes, athletes with low sodium intake have accelerated bone loss because the body will break down bone to supply sodium into the blood stream. I have read studies on this in the past back when I worked in bone research.

My good teeth are purely genetic. Everyone in my family has great teeth. I never did anything special teeth wise, other than brush 1-2 times a day, and brush lightly with a soft brush. Since going on a low calcium diet I've begun using xylitol mints with calcium lactate after most meals (I never swallow the juices though, I swish it around and spit them up because I don't want the calcium, and the xylitol can be hard on the stomach too). My teeth have whitened significantly since then. I really recommend using xylitol for teeth, it's great.

 

[Paymanz]

I wondering why no one mentioned magnesium and vitamin A(high retinol lowers calcium absorption from food)

Also sodium thiosulfate is a standard treatment for cleaning calcium deposits.
And Furosemide also can help.

Thyroid also increases bone turnover rate.

Relying on inflammation, phosphorus and few other things mattyb mentioned doesnt sound really wise. You may increase your soft tissue calcium levels.

 

[mattyb]

I wondering why no one mentioned magnesium and vitamin A.

Also thiosulfate is a standard treatment for cleaning calcium deposits.
And Furosemide also can help.

Thyroid also increases bone turnover rate.

Relying on inflammation, phosphorus and few other things mattyb mentioned doesnt sound really wise. You may increase your soft tissue calcium levels.

I'm not worried about calcium deposits, calcium deposits are not my issue - my problem is that calcium was deposited too much into the tissues that it's supposed to go into as you age (bone and hyaline cartilage).

The main way to chelate calcium is just to go low calcium/D/K with your diet. Absorption of calcium is so poor (and it's winter here) that this is relatively easy. Acidification of blood via exercise and low-calcium diet are my main tools right now, and they are doing the trick. I'm also supplementing with collagen as well, so when my cartilage loses calcium the space can be refilled with collagen, like it's supposed to be.

I'm not taking excessive amounts of phosphorous or anything like that. Those were just brainstorming ideas. The things I listed were essentially ways to cause osteoporosis, obviously this is not great long term. Anything I do is just temporary to get calcium out so my chest isn't in pain and I can regain the ability to open up and breath through my chest at rest again without pain.

 

[Legna88]

Yes, athletes with low sodium intake have accelerated bone loss because the body will break down bone to supply sodium into the blood stream. I have read studies on this in the past back when I worked in bone research.

@mattyb In June-July 2017 (60 days) I eliminated completely salt from my diet while doing extremely intense workouts in extreme hot weather(6 days per week), losing up to 3- 5 kg of fluid during one training. Can we assume that I lost TONS of salt/sodium and other minerals from my bones during those 2 months of salt free diet and now my body does not accept salt/sodium(although my blood sodium is 141, which is ''normal'', probably false 'normal')?

this cardiologist mentions as well in this interview that those who eliminate salt will lose sodium from bones... i believe @gbolduev does not agree with this theory... I told him once this and he said it is impossible because the body is great at retaining sodium. youtube.com/watch?v=eTr3S2Bqlow&t=1955s

@gbolduev apparently losing sodium and other minerals from the bones on a salt free diet is not impossible.. or is it?

 

[Helen]

Vitamin K2 MK4 is literally what fucked me up in the first place. I took it in 2015 (testing out to see if it would help with hair loss) and I've had constochondritis since, likely because it calcified the hyaline cartilage in my rib cage. It massively upregulates Vitamin D, osteogenesis and calcium retention. It does the opposite of decalcification. It puts calcium into cells, doesn't take it out.

I feel like an idiot having taken it honestly. It's great for people who have problems retaining calcium though.

Yeah. People on RPF think that mitochondria is protected by k2 because k2 is a miraculous antioxidant. LOL k2 puts calcium in there, calcium blocks potassium and there is no oxygenation. LOL

I also found K2 one of the worst supplements for people in slower oxidation. those people are all in alkalosis , alkalosis has thick blood as it is. K2 makes it thicker.

To decalcify mito in slow oxidizer , you need manganese as this will protect mito from oxidation, and this will speed up metabolism , not slow it down like with k2. This is why when you speed up your metabolism , then the body will ask for fat solubles.

 

[mr_s81]

@gbolduev How do you quantify if you are a slow or fast oxidiser when in TEI I am a slow 4 but in ARL I would be a fast! Which one am I?! It's hard to know which supplements help or hinder when I cannot confirm my oxidisation type!

 

[Ivy]

This why when you speed up your metabolism , then the body will ask for fat solubles.

Could you please clarify? @gbolduev

 

[Nina]

@gbolduev How do you quantify if you are a slow or fast oxidiser when in TEI I am a slow 4 but in ARL I would be a fast! Which one am I?! It's hard to know which supplements help or hinder when I cannot confirm my oxidisation type!

Go with ARL. ARL : The Oxidation Types

 

[noprop]

I had IV NA EDTA - it is very good against calcification. I had calcification in my shoulders, no prob anymore. I you have a calcified prostate forex, you need NA EDTA and AB. Calcium helps bacterias to get a shield. Once the bacterias haven't it anymore, you kill them with a certain AB.

 

[mattyb]

I had IV NA EDTA - it is very good against calcification. I had calcification in my shoulders, no prob anymore. I you have a calcified prostate forex, you need NA EDTA and AB. Calcium helps bacterias to get a shield. Once the bacterias haven't it anymore, you kill them with a certain AB.

How many EDTA treatments did you go through before you noticed a difference?

 

[noprop]

In the first IV I already felt some pain in the right shoulder and even back, after the second IV it vanished.
Re prostatitis treatment (beside broccoli protocol) with EDTA, you need afterwords Tetracycline to destroy the bacterias.

I even wonder if some calcification in our body is due to bacterias shielding them with calcium. Calcium is not easy to withdraw...
Hope to have helped...

 

[mattyb]

In the first IV I already felt some pain in the right shoulder and even back, after the second IV it vanished.
Re prostatitis treatment (beside broccoli protocol) with EDTA, you need afterwords Tetracycline to destroy the bacterias.

I even wonder if some calcification in our body is due to bacterias shielding them with calcium. Calcium is not easy to withdraw...
Hope to have helped...

Very interesting! I think I have sternal calcification, and if I could improve it with only two IV rounds I might try and find a place to get this done. Thanks for the info, very helpful.

 

[noprop]

So, your breast bone is calcified? How did you find out?
Those IV take about 3hours each, just to say. I guess that 2 IV are already good, but 5 more effective.
Please, pay attention. EDTA is erasing heavy metals, too. So, you would need to have good amino acid and Vit. levels in advance. Es pecially your gluthathione levels must be good. Best is to get 1-2 Gluth IV. This is important. A practitioner which starts EDTA without supplementing you with the stuff needed, is not serious, keep away.

Have a question myself: it is not quite easy for me to find the protocols forex RU/Ella on this platform. Is there a link to those protocols forex of Gbold? Many thx.

 

[barbaar]

I think I have sternal calcification too. I'm assuming that's what's causing my sternum to pop when I stretch after waking up and after sitting down for a while. Calcium is sky high on my hairtest too, if that says anything.

 

[bruschi11]

This is a great thread for me- thanks for the info @mattyb and @noprop. (Noprop you found the right website finally man!)

Hair test shows sky high calcium/magnesium and I also have highly elevated mercury. I know that big recommendation for mercury is EDTA. So might as well try to use IV EDTA to bang both of them out.

 

[mattyb]

So, your breast bone is calcified? How did you find out?
Those IV take about 3hours each, just to say. I guess that 2 IV are already good, but 5 more effective.
Please, pay attention. EDTA is erasing heavy metals, too. So, you would need to have good amino acid and Vit. levels in advance. Es pecially your gluthathione levels must be good. Best is to get 1-2 Gluth IV. This is important. A practitioner which starts EDTA without supplementing you with the stuff needed, is not serious, keep away.

Have a question myself: it is not quite easy for me to find the protocols forex RU/Ella on this platform. Is there a link to those protocols forex of Gbold? Many thx.

I haven't found out yet. I am trying to get in for a DEXA to look at sternum and rib calcification. I won't move onto EDTA or anything like that until after I actually confirm it.

 

[noprop]

This is a great thread for me- thanks for the info @mattyb and @noprop. (Noprop you found the right website finally man!)

Hair test shows sky high calcium/magnesium and I also have highly elevated mercury. I know that big recommendation for mercury is EDTA. So might as well try to use IV EDTA to bang both of them out.

Na EDTA is good for detoxing slowly and very safely. This is the best, safest way.
DMPS is the harder stuff for Mercury, but not done properly, you can end in the wheelchair. So here you have the link between heavy metals and nerves.
In the long term, your body must detox itself. But you are on the right way doing liver flushes, ennemas and so on.
Very interesting is the fact, that bacterias (forex in the prostata) stealth them with calcium. I guess that this strategy could be the same for the same bacterias in other organs or other bacterias generally to stealth. When someone has calcification in the prostate, the doctor say, you cannot do anything. Not right. Check for calcification of your prostate. When you decalcify, bacterias will survive and stealth again.
Na EDTA is good, cause you detox inter- and intracellular. This is important.
Just a guess: some of us have social sides like distracting from people, or not wanting to talk. (Not due to other symptoms)
If you compare autistic or semi autistic behavior with our, I guess the root could be the same.
Just to mention docs treating autistic people with detox protocols against merc.and alu.

 

[Paymanz]

Matrix gla protein is one of vitamin k dependant proteins that prevents calcification in cartilages.
JBC : Journal of Biological Chemistry