Did you crash on Finasteride or when getting off

[joekool]

You should ask if there were any of the 2nd time user crashes as I know many have experienced this pattern:

Start fin, get sides.
Quit and recover as expected.
Notice hair loss again and decide to try fin again but some change in protocol (lower dose, eod)
Suffer similar side effects and perhaps worse.
Quit and suffer pfs.

Additionally , I heard another theory of finasteride and the wording was that fin ‘augments’ Androgen Receptors , specifically in genitals. I can’t confirm this wording but it could be something

 

[DerpyHegel]

please share

I crashed nearly immediately after starting. I bought the pills on the internet without a prescription as an act of ideological defiance (encouraged by situation induced simulation theory solipsism) toward a medical/pharma guild that I believe is nontransparent and unethical. My memories of the terror and insomnia that followed are foggy as I baker acted myself due to suicidal thoughts shortly there after. After receiving multiple rounds of bilateral ECT from a doctor who labelled me as Schizotypal, symptoms have been persisting ever since to varying degrees. Only after recently completing an audiobook of "Phenomenology of Spirit" have I really started to connect the dots that make up the trauma and shame of the situation in its entirety. Spirituality alone hasn't really been enough to allow me to make the kind of recovery progress I'd like, but it's great to know that forums like this are here for when I'm willing and able to express my thoughts and maybe get some good advice.

 

[Aflac94]

did you crash with half of a pill only? holy shit.. is it possible?

No joke , it was actually poscar 5mg pill that I broke into 8 pieces somehow. I took one of those pieces. Nothing else ever again

Fucked me up beyond belief. It’s so crazy you almost can’t blame ppl that don’t have PFS and don’t take it serious. I sure as hell didn’t understand something like this was possible , until it happened to me

 

[Helen]

You should ask if there were any of the 2nd time user crashes as I know many have experienced this pattern:

Start fin, get sides.
Quit and recover as expected.
Notice hair loss again and decide to try fin again but some change in protocol (lower dose, eod)
Suffer similar side effects and perhaps worse.
Quit and suffer pfs.

Additionally , I heard another theory of finasteride and the wording was that fin ‘augments’ Androgen Receptors , specifically in genitals. I can’t confirm this wording but it could be something

I started this thread to see how people crash, and as seen from the responses, half of the people crash right on finasteride, with no real change when coming off.

This means that fin affected the system which caused the crash directly while on finasteride .

I suspect it is g6pd system and NADPH system. Some people had that system already low and taking fin basically caused the deficiency of NADPH similar to those people with G6PD deficiency who crash on fava beans. or androgens

Fin binds NADPH and lowers it and if a person already has g6pd deficiency then lowering NADPH causes hemolytic anemia in which

tetrafolate levels go way down, which then causes low histidine level and zero nitric oxide.( this is what I suspect the crash is)

This is also why these people crash on androgens. since androgens also bind NADPH. and if a person cant make NADPH, then he crashes also with hemolytic anemia. in which billirubin goes up. ( which we see on 70% cases of PFS)

this is why people with g6pd deficiency have low androgen levels. but when they attempt TRT they all crash, very similar to what happened to these people on finasteride and what happens to them on androgens.


As far as fin augmenting androgen receptors , in genitals and that being ANOTHER theory. That is funny.


We have been discussing this for the whole year here. And I posted this theory recently on propeciahelp even)) and named it Hackstasis theory for which I was immediately banned)) that site is funny, I wanted to help those people and posted my theory there and as soon as people started to react to the post, they erased the post and banned me. LOL

It is not ANOTHER theory, it is exactly the theory that I have been proposing here for the last year but I am still looking at hormones and gaba

etc since a lot of things still dont match up

 

[gaivs]

tetrafolate levels go way down, which then causes low histidine level and zero nitric oxide.( this is what I suspect the crash is)

So adding folinic acid to the tei program for example could not help our specific case?

 

[Helen]

So adding folinic acid to the tei program for example could not help our specific case?

did you crash right on finasteride?

 

[bruschi11]

Ban brothers @Helen . Actually siblings* sorry sis.

Are you thinking there are two cases between those that crash on and those that crash after?

 

[Helen]

Ban brothers @Helen . Actually siblings* sorry sis.

Are you thinking there are two cases between those that crash on and those that crash after?

I am still looking at hormones , right now trying to figure out cases and what is going on. it is still quiet confusing.

 

[joekool]

@Helen Do you have a post on here where you specifically said fin augments Androgen Receptors ? (or any use of the word augment as a search yielded 3 results that weren't it)

 

[gaivs]

did you crash right on finasteride?

the sexual part yes. I felt sexual symptoms after the first pill. But the mental and other symptoms was after I tried to recover, using herbs and other things.

 

[Helen]

@Helen Do you have a post on here where you specifically said fin augments Androgen Receptors ? (or any use of the word augment as a search yielded 3 results that weren't it)

what are you talking about? augments means increases make stronger. etc . I think this has been talked about on every single forum by now

 

[joekool]

what are you talking about? augments means increases make stronger. etc . I think this has been talked about on every single forum by now

Ok I'll clear up my use of the word augment as I interpreted it... yes, it means increasing but what I was interpreting was it was 'adding' or even 'acting like' Androgen Receptors (this seems impossible but again, let me continue my thought here) and when removed, these faux ARs would not be present. I don't think that's possible but that's how I was reading the term augment... as in 'adding to' synthetically ... not increasing ARs.

I don't believe FIN can act as a AR, but the wording augment stuck out.

 

[Jack17]

I think it is surprising that so many crashed while on Fin.

Might be helpful to see if there is a association between crashing while on Fin or post fin and DHT/ Testosterone levels. My story is that I stopped Avodart ( as I had so many times before) and I noticed some sexual side effects maybe 3 months later ( but long half life of Avodart) but the side effects were mild decrease in Libido and then restarted Avodart ( because in past restarting always boosted libido significantly) and noticed about 4 weeks of fluctuating libido then had the two week rebound feeling great then decrease Libido. Interestingly I was looking back at my notes recently and from Feb 2017 to April 2017 I was still taking Avodart sometimes couple tabs at a time (still believing this might help increase libido as it had for years) During that time I was having a signficantly decrease in libid0/ED and it was not normal but according to my notes I was still having fluctuating symptoms. Specifically, I wonder if at that time if I just took low dose Avodart once weekly, if I could have recovered.

I have higher T and DHT. If I kept on Avodart I don't think I would have had this problem. I wonder if low DHT/T are guys that crashed while on Fin. This might be an important distinction if true.

 

[brix]

@Jack17 i think you’re right about those who crash on fin being low androgen initially. Fin prob crashes them permanently lower.

 

[hairsuit]

Started Folinic Acid today. Time will tell. In my case, I crashed both ways. First on (no sexual sides). Then years later when I quit the sides). That muddies the waters for definitive cases one way or another.

 

[MNK99]

same here. hypersexual (but was anyways so didn't notice, and probably kept checking IIRC) ON it. BUT less outgoing, literally. then crashed, and hell on earth.
-i'd say 2 crashes. but one could say crash on, but if they saw the subsequent crash or prolonged crash... when coming off ... they'd say something else.
also... maybe 3 crashes. one on it, one worsening... one when i quit it (and quit lamotrigine days/weeks before, and dexedrine 4-6months before after 3years, and surgery 2 weeks after quitting, plus anasthesia, etc).

gotta say quitting cocaine or 100-200bottles of hard liquor a year (somewhat a bitch), were a joke compared to this.

-so if you want: surgery crash, anasthesia + pain killers, plus fin start, plus fin buildup, plus fin off, plus quitting addictive stims before (or maybe fin made me do that), plus starting and stopping an anticonvulsant (mood stabilizer) rite before and during fin.
---BUT no crashes (some downticks, throwing up here and there, "bad" days for sure) since fasting. thanks be to the gods of H/S.

-pain killers post surgery predictably made stomach worse, but also: vision double vision and nite vision. Mostly corrected by now. but still less accute. (the lagging vision, and "my life is ruined" vision changes are gone from fasting). Possibly other things helped precise vision also, but it was more subtle.

-Can't wait to visit the donkey family doctor and the hog of a woman, pharmacist.

 

[BC2018]

I was already having some dick issues before hand and I still decided to take fin. Dumb decision.

And I was having rapid hairloss and I still decided to take fin. Dumb decision. The doctor even said I had low testosterone and still prescribed it wtf. Only those stable in their lives with no stress and insecurities but would prefer to halt their gradual male hairloss progressing further should even consider taking it.

did you crash with half of a pill only? holy shit.. is it possible?

Happened to me I think it was from how toxic my body was but at the time I assumed genetics made me effected and not others.

 

[DerpyHegel]

No joke , it was actually poscar 5mg pill that I broke into 8 pieces somehow. I took one of those pieces. Nothing else ever again

Fucked me up beyond belief. It’s so crazy you almost can’t blame ppl that don’t have PFS and don’t take it serious. I sure as hell didn’t understand something like this was possible , until it happened to me

This is very similar to what happened to me. I'm so sorry this happened to you as well. People make bad choices sometimes due to the nature of their own mind and the life circumstances they have found themselves in. I just want to get off this ride, but also provide communicative feedback to the society I live in to make sure that this vestigial desire to manipulate the world around me in unnatural and harmful ways doesn't cause avoidable problems like the guilt and confusion I'm currently experiencing.

 

[DerpyHegel]

My memories from the time are foggy, but it seems like the crash started the first day of taking fin, while I was attending a job fair out of town. It's probably worth noting that in the months preceding this, my time had been consumed largely by compulsively searching online dating sites. My libidinal circuitry had already been completely Discombobulated from Accutane in high school, SSRIS after starting college, homophobic peer bullying that started before puberty, and other factors. Having watched The Matrix many times as a kid, taking Finasteride seemed like it might be the courage-display ticket out of this strange reality. I honestly don't know if this site is being managed by a large group of people in an office building somewhere or some sort of super-advanced AI, but I'm grateful for any and all help out of this confusing situation. I know my internet activity has been much less anonymous than I had always consciously assumed(perhaps due to some sort of brain damage). I just want to put it out there that I would love to communicate as honestly and as constructively as possible with anyone interested in helping me bring this to the best possible conclusion for all the parties involved(including myself to be completely honest).

 

[bruschi11]

My memories from the time are foggy, but it seems like the crash started the first day of taking fin, while I was attending a job fair out of town. It's probably worth noting that in the months preceding this, my time had been consumed largely by compulsively searching online dating sites. My libidinal circuitry had already been completely Discombobulated from Accutane in high school, SSRIS after starting college, homophobic peer bullying that started before puberty, and other factors. Having watched The Matrix many times as a kid, taking Finasteride seemed like it might be the courage-display ticket out of this strange reality. I honestly don't know if this site is being managed by a large group of people in an office building somewhere or some sort of super-advanced AI, but I'm grateful for any and all help out of this confusing situation. I know my internet activity has been much less anonymous than I had always consciously assumed(perhaps due to some sort of brain damage). I just want to put it out there that I would love to communicate as honestly and as constructively as possible with anyone interested in helping me bring this to the best possible conclusion for all the parties involved(including myself to be completely honest).

You found right site. But it may take a lot of hard work and effort and listening to your body for you to get your health back.

It has been a journey for me along with many here. And although the end goal is what we strive for in achieving optimum health, the journey and mini milestones along the way can be oh so fulfilling.