Electrolyte Protocol for Improved Health

Aleksandr

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Potassium is potassium and elemental. Potassium chloride is potassium chloride.
But if you want to supplement potassium and you buy potassium chloride, you obviously need to calculate with the percentage of cloride to potassium ratio.

1,3g mix = 450mg potassium (from ~900mg potassium chloride (~50%)) and 170mg sodium (from ~ 420mg sodiumchloride(~40%))
Hey HerrFisch, have you tried HCL for your IBS?
 

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Also, I know a few ppl didn't do well when betaine HCL was added in (tired type feeling) and when they dropped it felt much better. If betaine HCl does give you trouble, there are still positive reports here and even on this site, from just taking the enzymes alone in conjunction with the rest of the protocol.

@Rid mentioned this link before, but it is a good overview.
CURE: Enzymes (and Perhaps Betaine HCL) Cured 3 Year Nightmare
 

Namelk

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@gbolduev Could you tell me an average of how many tomatoes should I take in the juice per day? and can I put beets together and drink them both?
Is there anything else that would be good for me to add to the food every day in that juice?
 

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Can I beat the blender the tomatoes, beets, spinach and take it every day? Do you have any problems consuming them that way?
 

Canari

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Can I beat the blender the tomatoes, beets, spinach and take it every day? Do you have any problems consuming them that way?
Juice the beets if they are raw... yes you can blend but do not swallow all this too fast! Tomatoes are better with no peel no seed, to reduce lectins.
If you cook them, lycopen becomes better available. That is why tomato sauce is handy! I warm the egg whites in tomato sauce for the avidin. And for taste!
 

sanka

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I just have one question, i made mi hair test, they send me to take potassium, copper and magnesium. I should take potassium and magnesium chloride ?
 

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I just have one question, i made mi hair test, they send me to take potassium, copper and magnesium. I should take potassium and magnesium chloride ?
What form of Mg and K did they tell you to take? It depends of the lab and the product they advise, as they always advise theirs...
As long as you take the rest of the protocols they advise, why not use the chloride form...
Were you told to take betaine hcl in the protocoll they sent you?
 

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I just have one question, i made mi hair test, they send me to take potassium, copper and magnesium. I should take potassium and magnesium chloride ?

I believe copper should only be taken if your calcium is super low on the hairtest(fast oxidizer).

Using MagCl, KCl should be ok with protein and HCl. You could experiment with adding in or loading salt(NaCl) as well.
 

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Im a slow oxider, and mi calcium more than the maximum, they send me copper, magnesium and potassium. Obviously they suggest their supplements. I bought everything that they told me, but mi only doubt was the chloride forms, because i have pfs and they dont know that, that could be a detail. And they also send me an adrenal complex, a multivitamin(parapack) , vitamin E and hcl
 

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Amino’s are a part of the protocol. Is it only to lower cortisol or is it vital piece of the puzzle? I am asking this as my cortisol is already baseline and I might already be having low cortisol symptoms because of it.

Thanks! :)
 

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I was having good results with NAC, potassium, magnesium and copper... until I started getting diarrhea.
I went back to a PFS feeling since I wasnt retaining anything I digested. Even now I've got loose stools and I'm not feeling as good as before.
I was taking 400mg of magnesium and thought that maybe that might be too much, so I got chelated magnesium in powder form and took less, but still my stools are loose.
I have no idea whats causing this, but the past few weeks have been pretty bad for me, I look like a zombie.
Any ideas?
 

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I was having good results with NAC, potassium, magnesium and copper... until I started getting diarrhea.
I went back to a PFS feeling since I wasnt retaining anything I digested. Even now I've got loose stools and I'm not feeling as good as before.
I was taking 400mg of magnesium and thought that maybe that might be too much, so I got chelated magnesium in powder form and took less, but still my stools are loose.
I have no idea whats causing this, but the past few weeks have been pretty bad for me, I look like a zombie.
Any ideas?
I would stop supplements for a while till dhiearre get better.
 

Orion

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I was having good results with NAC, potassium, magnesium and copper... until I started getting diarrhea.
I went back to a PFS feeling since I wasnt retaining anything I digested. Even now I've got loose stools and I'm not feeling as good as before.
I was taking 400mg of magnesium and thought that maybe that might be too much, so I got chelated magnesium in powder form and took less, but still my stools are loose.
I have no idea whats causing this, but the past few weeks have been pretty bad for me, I look like a zombie.
Any ideas?

Taking copper when not needed will cause bowel issues. Also if you are not use to large doses of elemental magnesium, it can have a laxative effect.
 

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This program was posted in 2012 . And has not been changed since then pretty much.

THIS IS A PROGRAM which is not specific .To see which cofactors you need I strongly advise you get a hairtest, especially for people who have little experience with balancing or minerals since taking minerals can move your body chemistry very fast in different directions and if you don't understand what you are doing. It could be dangerous.

This is 1 case of an imbalance, we possibly can have high or low chloride cases here.


Causes

1) Stress, alcohol, overmasturbation, heavy metals toxicities, minerals deficiencies cause systemic protein deficiencies and pancreatic insufficiency. This leads to low levels of all amino acids since dietary protein is not being able to be broken down in your small intestine and stomach due to low levels of HCL and pancreatic enzymes.
2) Low amino acids lead to low systemic protein and also low HCL, so this is vicious cycle. This puts the body into alkalosis. With losses of chloride and potassium and magnesium.
3) Metalothionein and glutathione obviously go down since amino acids are down, you become toxic in metals and viruses and toxins.
4) Low gluthatione increases inflammation which effects tryptophan break down by IDO enzyme.

Melatonin is what keeps you immune system working properly and your body healthy. IDO enzyme which is induced in alkalosis causes low levels of tryptophan since tryptophan is used for production of NAD to create more ROS in a state of hypoxia ( alkalosis). PH regulates antioxidant oxidant system. In alkalosis chloride is lost and potassium is low. This causes hypoxia. To generate more ROS body takes tryptophan breaks it down into NAD to create more ROS in hypoxic state.. Body has to keep serotonin low since potassium is low. This causes low melatonin and aging.( dont take melatonin or serotonin precursors, it does not work this way EVER ) Taking NAD in this case will worsen hypokalemia. To create more ROS you should just get out of alkalosis and this will fix excessive tryptophan breakdown. Suppressing serotonin with drugs or staying away from tryptophan makes absolutely no sense here. People who advice to do this , don't understand the IDO regulation and purpose. It is not good to take extra tryptophan and serotonin precursors in this body chemistry without getting out of alkalosis, But it does not mean you have to stay way from tryptophan and serotonin and just kill melatonin to even lower levels than it is . Your goal is to keep production of serotonin HIGH and conversion to melatonin HIGH. This can be achieved only in potassium magnesium chloride medium. If you take serotonin precursors in low potassium condition this will cause anxiety and lower potassium even further. SO dont take serotonin or melatonin.


Solutions for PFS, POIS, CFS & PSSD Cancer, Diabetes, and general health.

You need to quit all the hormones unless you have organic damage of some organ like thyroid. or ovaries or testies.
You can't get fixed by taking thyroids, progesterones etc. since when you take the hormone it screws up the enzymes. Enzymes make hormones and hormone goes up only if the content of the enzyme is present.. This supports the hormone action. thyroid hormones only go up when there is glutathione present, selenium , cysteine. iron since this will support the oxidative stress which thyroid hormone will cause. This is why D1 enzyme is selenocysteine enzyme. Same with progesterone, same with cortisol. Those hormones simply are not needed . Good example will be pregnenolone , which causes iron to go down. And then this causes hairloss in people taking it. When you take pregnenolone it will mostly go into estrogen side.
NEVER take steroids. DHTs, or any hormones for that matter. They simply don't work and cause harm. Don't take stimulants. Pre workout supplements. You will not need pre work outs on this regimen. Electrolytes should be your pre workout and not caffeine.


You are in alkalosis so taking calcium is not good for you in the beginning. You first need to get out of alkalosis .Leafy greens and almond milk will be good sources later on when your metabolism speeds up . taking aspirin is NOT good for you , since it chelates copper lowers histidine, lowers chloride, and causes calcification. Aspirin does not belong in your body. Taking fat soluble vitamins is not good for you , since they stop bile production. and your bile is not working and very thick as it is. You need to restore the bile flow. After you do liver flushes, all your fat soluble vitamins will be working on their own. and you will get them all from food. Vitamin D will work when you get out of alkalosis. Lactate will fall when you have enough potassium in the cell. Some people have low cortisol - never take cortisol. It is just your potassium is low.

Also NEVER suppress serotonin. Serotonin is needed to make melatonin. With this program, your serotonin will go more into melatonin. Staying away from tryptophan ,suppressing serotonin with drugs is NONSENSE and NOT NEEDED. You need to convert this serotonin to melatonin. YOU CAN't take melatonin orally . Never do this. Getting out of alkalosis will increase conversion from serotonin to melatonin. and you will be getting tired at night more and have much better and very deep sleep.

IDO is induced in alkalosis to create more ROS in hypoxic state. When you get out of alkalosis IDO will go back down , this will increase tryptophan , and this will increase serotonin levels and the conversion into melatonin. Taking NAD in alkalotic state does nothing but lowers thyroid. Since taking NAD will inhibit IDO, this will increase serotonin, but serotonin won't convert into melatonin in potassium and chloride deficiency. And this will cause hypokalemia. Potassium is what makes the cell sensitive to thyroid hormone.

TAKING CO2 beverages, TAKING strong acids that don't belong in the body. ALL LOWER CHLORIDE levels. without chloride your potassium and immune system won't be working. This is why CO2 therapies, drinking carbonated beverages ARE NONSENSE. Proper levels of CO2 will be created during metabolism when you have high potassium and magnesium and chloride level in the cell. This will make sure that your thyroid hormone works properly . Taking CO2 from outside, lowers metabolism and can cause chronic infections.( seen in people with COPD ). Chloride is what your inhibitory system works thru .( GABA) This is why without chloride metabolism can't never lift up. And without chloride you will have hypokalemia. Glycine also does not work without chloride and potassium magnesium in the cell. Glycine lowers metabolism when potassium and chloride magnesium are present and acts as soothing neurotransmitter. without chloride Glycine acts as NDMA receptor agonist. This is why gelatin really lowers metabolism when taken in alkalotic state and does not work. and gelatin only works when taken with magnesium potassium chloride HCL. Same goes for pentose pathway which is thiamine dependent. Without potassium , NADPH is not created in pentose pathway, since thiamine will lower potassium , instead the NADPH production takes place in Krebs cycle during the steps where NADH is usually created, using malic, isocitrate and alphaglutarate subtrates, this lowers levels of NADH and causes chronic fatique.
So it is suggested to use vitamin B1 glycine,( gelatin) NAD, only when your magnesium manganese chloride potassium stores are good. Those supplements will do you good then. And should be taken with this protocol

IMPORTANT: Since a lot of people use computer and more and more people spend so much time in front of the screen
TRY to use FLUX program on your computer or adjust the screen not to have blue light in the evening. We need to keep conversion of serotonin to melatonin HIGH.


The core of this is to keep you out of AKALOSIS. this is done with HCL and electrolytes. Not amino acids. Amino acids are given to lower cortisol, so cortisol does not lower potassium.

1) HCL for the stomach ( you can go up to 10 capsules after protein food)
2) enzymes wth every food, including trypsin chymotrypsin to break down proteins. ( wobenzym , BIO ZYME)
3) ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS in free form, patches or predigested ( Platinum essential amino acids, essential amino acids, whey protein)
this way you restore amino acids and your systemic protein can be made ( ceruloplasmin , ferritin , gluthatione , metalothionien etc)
4) Increase cofactors for gluthatione and metalothionein (glutamine, cysteine, selenium, zinc, histidine, tryptophan, glycine) so your body can detoxify heavy metals and toxins. You can use some gelatin for this. Gelatin does not work in alkaline environment and causes more damage by activating NDMA receptor. Since glycine is excitatory if chloride is absent. Gelatin should be used if you are using tons of HCL and potassium and putting your body away from alkalosis. In this condition gelatin will work and do you good.
5) Do hair analisys and get on nutritional balancing to fix your own enzyme system and see which cofactors you are missing like manganese or zinc or copper. If you dont do this, you can take a multivitamin to support present protein synthesis but the minute you go off amino acids, you will crash, since your own protein synthesis wont be there, since you did not deal with body chemistry you just bypassed enzymes. Need a good multivitamin since you are missing folic acid, iron , zinc, b2 from having low stomach acid.

A MULTIVITAMIN to use if you gonna use one, should be NUTRIPLEX , whole food. This is the only one I know that makes it from real food. All others just feed synthetic minerals to yeast and say it is whole food.
You can try to use shilagit instead


As a substitute for the wholefood multivitamin/shilajit could you use organic spirulina/chlorella?

I'm just trying to save a few quid as I had some lying round haha
 

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@TubZy @gbolduev @mattyb
I already know the answer, but are we sure that by using bethaine hcl is safe?
I mean, today it is the first life ever in my life I had an acid reflux in my throat, so I wonder if using betaine hcl is not bringing it instead of curing it, is it possible?
Thank you
 

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today it is the first life ever in my life I had an acid reflux in my throat,
I also had this...
I stopped it and digest well my meat meals, but last night I had a fatty meal and I woke up during the night with some stomach wieght....

I think the issue is about having a bad stomach lining, some irritation there...
 
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TubZy

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@TubZy @gbolduev @mattyb
I already know the answer, but are we sure that by using bethaine hcl is safe?
I mean, today it is the first life ever in my life I had an acid reflux in my throat, so I wonder if using betaine hcl is not bringing it instead of curing it, is it possible?
Thank you

Just lower the dose, I have had it in the past when I used too much
 
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Canari

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As a substitute for the wholefood multivitamin/shilajit could you use organic spirulina/chlorella?

Is it your question? That you wrote in the quote instead of outside?