Electrolyte Protocol for Improved Health

[Slayo]

You all should understand. Finasteride blocks NADPH. NADPH is the thing that protects the mitochondria from oxidative stress via recycling the glutathione.
SO if your mitochondria is not protected the body turns off all sugar metabolism. It lowes insulin, it increases reverse t3 , it kills potassium etc. it binds oxygen with hemoglobin and does not let oxygen to go into the cell. NOT TO CREATE oxidative stress.

This is why body pisses out zinc since zinc is what makes insulin.

So to return body back, you need to support redox( you need to take b1 b2 b3) multivitamin and do ARL test and follow their instructions. You cant just take HCL and that is it or some potassium. You need to take everything. And B vitamins are very very important since you need to make NADPH again. you need to protect mitochondria, and this will allow you to take zinc again

didn't we have high NADPH after fin ? Shouldn't we find a way to block NADPH so 5 beta reductase can raise as you said in another thread or is that theory not anymore valid ?

 

[Jaxx]

It is all in electolytes protocol. I rec ARL, it is much better than mutivitamin , if not ARL multivitamin and shilagit. It is all written out in the protocol. But you guys only see couple of points. Everything is important on the protocol, you leave one thing out, and it does not work. I highly rec you to go on ARL. 2 months and you will be fixed.

I doubt that everyone here has misreads it and thats the reason it didnt cure anyone so-far. I (tried) to do the entire zinc finger protocol but it did not help, nor did anyone in the health protocol test group got cured.

ARL sounds nice in theory, but i mainly read about people spending alot of money to get ripped off later with crappy advice (if any) and are left with a nice piece if paper to hang on the wall...

 

[sanka]

@gbolduev i made my ARL. I have al the supplements, i bought the essential aminoacids, hcl capsules but i never read about a vitamin B supplement. I need to get one too?

 

[mattyb]

@sanka I actually just wrote these out in a PM to somebody earlier today if people are looking for a more comprehensive non-ARL based plan to follow:

- Lots of endurance training to get CO2/HCO3 out of the body (~3 times per week)
- Breathing exercises that emphasize maximal exhalation
- Electrolyte replenishment (~1g K (5000mg/day with diet + supps)/ Na (to taste, increasing dosages over weeks) / ~500mg Mg all in chloride form). Increase or decrease dosages over time depending on effects.
- LOTS of vegetables, especially spinach, celery, cucumber
- Active b-vitamin complex, 1-2 times per week to support extra methylation and higher metabolism
- Experiment with short fasts and Breuss/beet juices
- Digestive Enzymes like biozyme (if necessary)
- Some acid precursor (oral lysine HCl, or betaine HCl, or in more mild cases a morning salad with olive oil + ACV). Lysine might be more effective and doesn't require timing doses with meals, but comes with arginine blocking side effects.
- 0.75-1g/lb of protein after 2-3 weeks on protocol (eggs and pork are great, fish/shellfish if you can find good sources).
- Follow food cravings outside of rec's. This will guide you towards foods rich in necessary minerals.

 

[HerrFisch]

Lysine might be more effective and doesn't require timing doses with meals, but comes with arginine blocking side effects.

Yeah, might want to warn you. Doesnt have to happen as everybody is different, but I would not advise to use a bigger amount of Lysine Hcl than you got arginine in your diet.
Had some bacterial / viral problems with using to much Lysine, and as I read a lot of people had as well.
Maybe even Betain HCl is bad and pure HCL would be better.

 

[Niles]

@sanka I actually just wrote these out in a PM to somebody earlier today if people are looking for a more comprehensive non-ARL based plan to follow:

- Lots of endurance training to get CO2/HCO3 out of the body (~3 times per week)
- Breathing exercises that emphasize maximal exhalation
- Electrolyte replenishment (~1g K (5000mg/day with diet + supps)/ Na (to taste, increasing dosages over weeks) / ~500mg Mg all in chloride form). Increase or decrease dosages over time depending on effects.
- LOTS of vegetables, especially spinach, celery, cucumber
- Active b-vitamin complex, 1-2 times per week to support extra methylation and higher metabolism
- Experiment with short fasts and Breuss/beet juices
- Digestive Enzymes like biozyme (if necessary)
- Some acid precursor (oral lysine HCl, or betaine HCl, or in more mild cases a morning salad with olive oil + ACV). Lysine might be more effective and doesn't require timing doses with meals, but comes with arginine blocking side effects.
- 0.75-1g/lb of protein after 2-3 weeks on protocol (eggs and pork are great, fish/shellfish if you can find good sources).
- Follow food cravings outside of rec's. This will guide you towards foods rich in necessary minerals.

Do you think that taking maybe 1g of lysine 2x/day and 500mg arginine 1x/day would maintain a good balance in favor of lysine/stomach acid production, without low arginine sides? Or should maybe even more lysine be used?

 

[Yura]

" pork are great"
why? There is no more "dirty" meat than pork in my opinion. Maybe if you can have really organic where the pigs are running around and have natural diet. Or wild pigs. But pork from factory farming is very bad idea. The composition of fat from pigs fed corn, soy etc. is horrible. Pork can increase uric acid like no other food + they can have nasty parasites resistent to high temperatures.. No reason to eat pork lol.. Eggs, beef, seafood, fish like mackerel, cod, and lean meat from poultry like chicken/turkey breast(the fat from factory farm poultry is also garbage..)

 

[Yura]

Do you think that taking maybe 1g of lysine 2x/day and 500mg arginine 1x/day would maintain a good balance in favor of lysine/stomach acid production, without low arginine sides? Or should maybe even more lysine be used?

Why you complicating things so much? Just take drops of hydrochloric acid. It is cheap and very effective. Read something about hydrochloric acid therapy..

 

[mattyb]

Do you think that taking maybe 1g of lysine 2x/day and 500mg arginine 1x/day would be a good balance for this? Or maybe even more lysine?

I would cycle on/off lysine and maybe just eat some arginine rich foods on non-lysine days. But you can go up to 10g/day of lysine for short periods of time, at that dose you have to be careful though because it can cause hyperkalemia. 2g/day is probably too low to get much of an effect IMO.

 

[Niles]

I would cycle on/off lysine and maybe just eat some arginine rich foods on non-lysine days. But you can go up to 10g/day of lysine for short periods of time, at that dose you have to be careful though because it can cause hyperkalemia. 2g/day is probably too low to get much of an effect IMO.

Okay, thanks. I might experiment with 5g/day 5 days a week, with 1-2g arginine/day on the off days. My stomach absorption is pretty awful atm, so I wouldn't trust an arginine-rich diet to offset lysine supps.

 

[mattyb]

" pork are great"
why? There is no more "dirty" meat than pork in my opinion. Maybe if you can have really organic where the pigs are running around and have natural diet. Or wild pigs. But pork from factory farming is very bad idea. The composition of fat from pigs fed corn, soy etc. is horrible. Pork can increase uric acid like no other food + they can have nasty parasites resistent to high temperatures.. No reason to eat pork lol.. Eggs, beef, seafood, fish like mackerel, cod, and lean meat from poultry like chicken/turkey breast(the fat from factory farm poultry is also garbage..)

All your food should be sourced well. That's a prerequisite to being healthy in the long run.

Pork and eggs are very high in cysteine, selenium and thiamine, which you need lots of when metabolism starts speeding up.

 

[Helen]

I doubt that everyone here has misreads it and thats the reason it didnt cure anyone so-far. I (tried) to do the entire zinc finger protocol but it did not help, nor did anyone in the health protocol test group got cured.

ARL sounds nice in theory, but i mainly read about people spending alot of money to get ripped off later with crappy advice (if any) and are left with a nice piece if paper to hang on the wall...

Raincoast followed the protocol and is cured. I dont know anyone who followed the protocol but him so far. he took fin for many years YOu need to get a hairtest and get cofactors and follow the program. health protocol test group just did electrolytes. It has nothing to do with the protocol. I told Tubzy not to do it , but he did great on just electrolytes so he did it.

at ARL computer gives the program not the practitioner. @TubZy please help people with hairtests

 

[Jaxx]

Raincoast followed the protocol and is cured. I dont know anyone who followed the protocol but him so far. he took fin for 15 years.

Most people here are miserable, tired of it all and willing to try anything. The whole idea of that test group was too see if a specific protocol would work, with your help to guide. Not a single person in there was cured by any means. Sorry to sound negative but saying all the information to be cured is in the tread is only making people more desperate.

 

[Helen]

didn't we have high NADPH after fin ? Shouldn't we find a way to block NADPH so 5 beta reductase can raise as you said in another thread or is that theory not anymore valid ?

I said that we have too cases with low or high NADPH. and you need to get a hairtest and a program which come with it and get cured.

 

[Helen]

Most people here are miserable, tired of it all and willing to try anything. The whole idea of that test group was too see if a specific protocol would work, with your help to guide. Not a single person in there was cured by any means. Sorry to sound negative but saying all the information to be cured is in the tread is only making people more desperate.

I did not create that test group. Tubzy did. people did his protocol which helped him. He got much better on that protocol, which is why he suggested people to try it.I told him specifically not to do that group with that protocol. I wrote out the protocol here and it was here all this time. Now go and compare what people took in that group.

As I told you , Raincoast did the hairtest, took electrolytes plus needed cofactors from the hairtest and is cured. Screwing around with random supplements wont cure anyone. Look at what people are taking here?

the only people who are following protocol are Raincoast, Herrfish, may be Orion and Tubzy who is taking ARL and may be Goose 12.. And March All other people I have no idea what they are taking , I dont see any of their logs, and honestly I dont even follow it.

These people who took it are much better. Some cured totally I thought. I dont know why you say they are not cured. Plus Scenes who followed zinc finger for fast oxidizer , also cured. I have no idea where you get your statistics.

In that test group it was wuf. health , admiral. barbar. Health is taking just random stuff what he wants experimenting, wuf just took some gainer with electrolytes for a week. admiral is in process of getting ARl program, and Barbar is following Raincoast path now.

So I dont quite get where you get your information on the progress of guys.

 

[Jaxx]

I did not create that test group. Tubzy did. people did his protocol which helped him. He got much better on that protocol, which is why he suggested people to try it.I told him specifically not to do that group with that protocol. I wrote out the protocol here and it was here all this time. Now go and compare what people took in that group.

As I told you , Raincoast did the hairtest, took electrolytes plus needed cofactors from the hairtest and is cured. Screwing around with random supplements wont cure anyone. Look at what people are taking here?

the only people who are following protocol are Raincoast, Herrfish, may be Orion and Tubzy who is taking ARL and may be Goose 12.. And March All other people I have no idea what they are taking , I dont see any of their logs, and honestly I dont even follow it.

These people who took it are much better. Some cured totally I thought. I dont know why you say they are not cured. Plus Scenes who followed zinc finger for fast oxidizer , and cured.

You know, i really want to be a believer, and i hate being negative as it wont help finding a fix in the long run.
But fact is that the hairtest itself doesnt seem to be worth anything, at least not without proper follow-up, which most people cant even get through the official channels. At least i could understand the clomid protocol that you pointed out in August, that was very much to the point. 2-different cases, but OK. Sadly that didnt really help anyone.
The fact that people are trying so many different things on the forum right now is proof no one really knows what to do anymore.
IMHO

 

[HerrFisch]

But fact is that the hairtest itself doesnt seem to be worth anything, at least not without proper follow-up, which most people cant even get through the official channels.

Hairtest is the quickes and cheapest way to actually be able to see whats up and what you need to do. And you can easily get those. Just use google.
I wasted a lot of bucks on blood test which were way less informative than the hair testing.

 

[Helen]

You know, i really want to be a believer, and i hate being negative as it wont help finding a fix in the long run.
But fact is that the hairtest itself doesnt seem to be worth anything, at least not without proper follow-up, which most people cant even get through the official channels. At least i could understand the clomid protocol that you pointed out in August, that was very much to the point. 2-different cases, but OK. Sadly that didnt really help anyone.
The fact that people are trying so many different things on the forum right now is proof no one really knows what to do anymore.
IMHO

Man I am not here to guide people case by case, people should be guided by succesful cases. Like RU cases and recoveries, like scences. like tubzy. Anyone who I paid a little attention to mostly recovered. But I am busy and I cant sit and help people case by case. This is why I said go get ARL/ If you cant get ARL program like admiral. I cant help you. You are guided by recovery cases.

You are reading some random people now who are trying things, and they dont know what they are doing. like who is struggling ? who? everyone is doing stuff. the only struggling one I see is admiral. All other people are trying out programs. and doing much better. If admiral cant get an ARL progam and keeps getting worthless hairtest I cant help. YOu get a program automatically from ARL. It comes from a computer. practitioner does not make it up. practitioner is just a middleman. You get a program and ARL give you supplements what to take . So you dont even have to think.

 

[barbaar]

You know, i really want to be a believer, and i hate being negative as it wont help finding a fix in the long run.
But fact is that the hairtest itself doesnt seem to be worth anything, at least not without proper follow-up, which most people cant even get through the official channels. At least i could understand the clomid protocol that you pointed out in August, that was very much to the point. 2-different cases, but OK. Sadly that didnt really help anyone.
The fact that people are trying so many different things on the forum right now is proof no one really knows what to do anymore.
IMHO

Hey @Jaxx I finally got in touch with the biocoherence guy again. Turns out he was sick for a while and didn't answer any emails. I will be getting the advanced ARL report soon. Not sure what I'll do with it since I'm taking manganese magnesium potassium iron atm and don't want to switch too soon. I will post everything in my log.

 

[Helen]

Guys, if anyone wants to get a hairtest from ARL. you can contact Catherine. [email protected] She will get you a program from ARL and supplements from ARL if you want, Or , you can go on dr Wilson site and find a practitioner and order thru them/ Those practitioners dont have to be in your country . I have no idea why people have to go thru some weirdos. Hairtest cost 150 bux with the program. and diet. so dont pay 100 euros for hairtest and then 140 euros for another program it is a rip off. Hairtest comes already with the program and then you can just buy supps from ARL and take them, you dont have to buy or combine some weird programs on your own. ARL will give you specific stuff for your body chemistry.

@TubZy is taking a program right now, you can contact him and ask him questions.