Emotional blunting with SSRI

Canari

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It seems that some branches of science are too much separated. Overall, I do not like the article, but it shows exactly what is the problem with the current science:
1) they rely on drugs.
2) they do not know other sciences than theirs.

And they talk about hormones without taking into account that they are depending on the autonomic nervous sytem. The problem is that the research about the ANS is not very strong and rely more on the outcome of therapies without drugs. It means it cannot be measured more than by asking the people if their symtoms improve.

"an overall unfeeling or numbness — is a common complaint of depression patients prescribed to certain antidepressants. This diminished capacity to have feel-good emotions during positive moments can be a significant side effect for some people taking selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs."

Drugs help you minimize those feelings of sadness and hopelessness — but will the drugs also undermine your ability to feel joy?

People struggling with depression often complain that they have lost some of their ability to respond emotionally to events and people around them.

This last sentence describe very well what is called freeze / dissociation. And for the ANS, the job to cure it must be ELECTRICAL. That is why I believe more in what gbolduev says about using different length of waves, if you really want to use what science can bring. Anyway, people have used things like art and music, which are also electric waves. Shamans have made people shake and tremble, which is like putting the nervous system on an earth rod. And look at videos on the web, animals do this perfectly, they shake and tremble and then have no more trapped memories in their bodies!

We are electric, with minerals that are conductives, that is also why I am interested in mineral balancing... And when our nervous system suffers, as all electric instalations do, they cut the current, the fuses go off. This is what causes the numbing. In PSSD it is more obvious, because SSRI were used to treat depression. Now this is right that something else than the nerves themselves is going the wrong way in the body, but what if this is basically a reaction of the ANS, which in turn gives orders to the rest of the body? Then there are other ways to recover, by acting more directly on the ANS, which in turn will change the orders that it gives to the rest of the body!

More over, just considere that in the article, they say "to respond emotionally".... But the emotion response has a physiological aspect too, you can FEEL the emotion somewhere in your body. Actually it is proved that the autonomic response happens before any other response in the body. The basic lid over the emotional, causing the blunting, is autonomic and parasympathetic in nature. The main nerve doing this is the vagus nerve.
 

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I dont know if I understood it correctly. Are you implying that PSSD(Post SSRI) source is depression?
 

barbaar

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The way I see it, it's still very possible for the underlying depression / anxiety to still be there when someone has PSSD. However, that person is unable to 'feel' it because of SSRI induced emotional numbing.

But there is a big difference between not feeling positive emotions because of depression and not being able to feel positive (or any) emotions because of PSSD/PFS/what have you. Lumping those two things together is what doctors do when they don't believe PSSD exists and try to tell you 'Oh you're just still depressed, here take more pills!'

Or maybe I'm wrong and PSSD emotional blunting is caused by the same mechanism as someone whose emotions 'naturally' shut down after going through a really bad and long depression, and the SSRI just helps it along. For me personally, I think this is not what happens. It's extremely hard to explain why I think that, but the difference in how I experience emotions is just too large post SSRI compared to before to believe this is what happens naturally.
 

Canari

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I dont know if I understood it correctly. Are you implying that PSSD(Post SSRI) source is depression?
Not exactly. No.
I would rather say I talk about the source of the depression... Depression is an adaptation of the body, even if there are better adaptation I agree... The nervous system is a system, same as we speak of digestive system. It is like any organ, it can suffer some damage. i am not at all taking for granted this of "it is in your head", and think positive, and all this bs that make people feel they deserve what they have because they should overcome and change their belief system etc!
 

MNK99

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I did @wuf. Didn't help me... But that was Post SSRI/SNRI, and later post PFS.
I have confounding factors...
Didn't really help me. Has helped a friend who took an SSRI for anxiety issues at my same age (before we were friends). He is anxious, has similar psyche/mental issues like ADHD -- and such, but never had extreme ups and downs. Several other friends tried 5HTP, and Sam-E, and SJW, and the like but with less than stellar outcomes to my view. I'm nowhere near the usual case though.
 
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