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Well scrap that previous post.
Been about 3 months of doing fuck all now, on doctors orders. First 6 weeks of doing fuck all got my elevated t and shbg down to within satisfactory ref ranges for the first time, however my follow up tests now have these elevated again, back to where I was. Can’t say my diet or lifestyle has changed much and if it has it’s only been for the better.. so what the hell’s made them rise again. Anyone got any idea what my issue might be? Was working with the theory that taking any herbal hormone interventions or even nutritional supplements was increasing my shbg but now I can’t say that’s the cause
Doing a GI 360 stool test next week to assess gut issues.
Also did an oligoscan recently. Will post results here when I’m back home
Been about 3 months of doing fuck all now, on doctors orders. First 6 weeks of doing fuck all got my elevated t and shbg down to within satisfactory ref ranges for the first time, however my follow up tests now have these elevated again, back to where I was. Can’t say my diet or lifestyle has changed much and if it has it’s only been for the better.. so what the hell’s made them rise again. Anyone got any idea what my issue might be? Was working with the theory that taking any herbal hormone interventions or even nutritional supplements was increasing my shbg but now I can’t say that’s the cause
Doing a GI 360 stool test next week to assess gut issues.
Also did an oligoscan recently. Will post results here when I’m back home
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@Enkounter whats the oligoscan results?
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Nice thanks for sharing. Hopefully I get mine next weekend.
From a HTMA perspective looks like d3, k2 and magnesium would be good for you to slow your system down and raise some of those minerals.
Also because your magnesium is lower than Ca, good to lay off the carbs to level them up.
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Post your latest hormone labs and bloods . Iron labs thyroid etc .
You’re crazily imbalanced .
Trying to get iron from my GP but they're playing hard to get so gonna have to go private. Will sort those soon.
Latest hormones are below. Gist of it is T, Free T and SHBG all elevated. That's the only hormones I've had tested recently, from last month.
Thyroid-wise, last tests were almost a year ago. TSH 2.33miu/L, dead center in range (0.4 - 4.0).
I'm getting lots of gut testing done currently, enteropathogenic organisms, trypsin, elastase, parasites etc, as had an extremely high faecal calprotectin result so actually been able to do this via NHS (alongsid ethe GI 360 i'd already ordered) so been preocuppied looking into this. So sick of all these testing periods as it means I can't experiment with any new interventions but it's great I'm getting clarity on these. Looking forward to putting together another protocol once it's all done.
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Got thyroid bloods back.. all looks ok surprisingly. I'm glad to not have another area of concern. I have enough to deal with on the malabsorption side.
Hopefully will address the gut inflammation soon with my nutritionist, just waiting on more up-to-date OAT results to indicate if there's any toxicities that need to be directly combatted first. And trying to get vitamin bloods still.
Been feeling very low. Libido has tanked the past few weeks and I'm scared my hpv is recurring. On AHCC for this currently and also been using a new ketoconazole shampoo for inflammed scalp but I'm concerned there's some 5ar fuckery going on due to these..
Biomesight also came back. Not as bad as I expected, but low butyrate and low oxalate degradation. Need to work on probiotics.
Hopefully will address the gut inflammation soon with my nutritionist, just waiting on more up-to-date OAT results to indicate if there's any toxicities that need to be directly combatted first. And trying to get vitamin bloods still.
Been feeling very low. Libido has tanked the past few weeks and I'm scared my hpv is recurring. On AHCC for this currently and also been using a new ketoconazole shampoo for inflammed scalp but I'm concerned there's some 5ar fuckery going on due to these..
Biomesight also came back. Not as bad as I expected, but low butyrate and low oxalate degradation. Need to work on probiotics.
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So more potassium would be needed in diet?
DUTCH showed prog metabolites are in range, albeit on the low end..
"b-Pregnanediol Within range 121.1 ng/mg 75 - 400
a-Pregnanediol Within range 32.9 ng/mg 20 - 130"
B6 sounds important for prog, and my low B6 is pretty consistent across testing. Hopefully addressing this soon.
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Yes b6 is literally everything for prog. B6/nad.
Those markers are preg not prog.
Nad for 3b-hsd converts preg to prog.
Really craving some B6 right now.
Ah, it's the closest thing the DUTCH measures to prog directly so they draw some conclusion from it: "The weighted average of the two progesterone metabolites shows progesterone is in range indicating normal production." Seems like they're reaching a bit and skimming over some unaccounted things
Gonna treat myself to a prog blood test
I'll be taking 10,000 IU vit D daily soon once I get on the new protocol. Still waiting on blood tests for vitamins first. So sick of being stuck waiting around in the mess of UK medical system bureaucracy.
My progesterone results came back. Within range but low, as expected.
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Also updated OAT results came back. B6 has dropped slightly lower.
A few improvements but some things a lot worse. Oxalates for instance. Hopefully that's something that will be addressed very directly by the new gut protocol.
Weight has been going down, significantly underweight, rings just sliding off my fingers constantly now. More hair shedding than before too. Feels like I'm not getting much from diet.
A few improvements but some things a lot worse. Oxalates for instance. Hopefully that's something that will be addressed very directly by the new gut protocol.
Weight has been going down, significantly underweight, rings just sliding off my fingers constantly now. More hair shedding than before too. Feels like I'm not getting much from diet.
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Alright fellas I'm in the midst of a crash (libido and sleep, but gut's holding up just about) so I'm keen to at least work out what caused it and strategise.
Been taking zinc and manganese and I think I may have messed about and done what Helen warned here. I was on trib/tomato juice cycles and then a fast and it's since the 3/4 day fast that I returned to supplementing 30mg zinc and 15mg mang like I was prior to fasting and my symptoms worsened. There could be other things at play but I'm suspecting the 5ari properties of zinc, or the other properties zinc has in regards to zinc finger..
..which i'm trying to get my head around. Buying l-histidine hcl, l-cysteine, brewers yeast right now. Got Betaine hcl already. Not got copper yet, maybe that too. I'm not sure exactly what to do but if zinc has had this negative effect, potentially, then maybe there's some mechanism there I can action in the other direction.
My oligoscan does suggest my zinc, copper and potassium are all actually in the green.. but historically my cortisol has been very elevated so maybe there's something there. Plus is oligoscan that reliable when it comes to this area? Either way, it shows I have lower copper and higher zinc (within range), so copper should be the one to push.. which means histidine primarily? Going to give that a go I guess.
Maybe continue manganese too as my Oligo says I'm low in that.
Might also run trib again just in case there's anything left to the 5ar angle, as the logic would be that it's inhibited by zinc now so more sensitive to trib.
Has anyone got a good grasp of the zinc finger who can lend some guidance please?
Yeah what Helen said is true. I feel castrated as well doing all that copper antagonistic shit with zinc, molybdenum etc.. Now I am trying that HG7 stuff with green tea extract. SO far nothing is happening.. I know I have high iron and HG7 guy thinks that you need to remove iron first so copper can show up..
Maybe you have high iron as well? Do you have blood tests of iron panel like feritin, TIBC?
That oligo scan is something like hair test. Just because you have something low on hair or oligo scan doesn't mean you don't have organs full of it..
Maybe you have high iron as well? Do you have blood tests of iron panel like feritin, TIBC?
That oligo scan is something like hair test. Just because you have something low on hair or oligo scan doesn't mean you don't have organs full of it..
I've not heard of the HG7 protocol before but my ferritin test back in May 2024 did show iron was within range:
Serum ferritin level 126 ug/L [30.0 - 400.0]
Yeah, I had the same thought about the realiability of oligoscan data, but what my iron level seemed pretty consistent in that too. Zinc and copper also seemed to be correct based on me now supplementing zinc and seemingly overdoing it.
Do you think finding a way to increase copper will help? Not sure whether to take l histidine or l cysteine, or both, to help with this
@Enkounter ferritin over 100 is not ideal, but nothing crazy. HG7 is interesting that's for sure. I mean they are taking doses of stuff that if you took those doses separately you would end up with serious issues pretty fast. But taking that combination it seems to not causing any serious problems..
Iti s basically protocol for slow oxidizers that have metal toxicities.. I think fast oxidizer who is low in copper can get into serious trouble doing it..
Having bioavaiable copper=good ceruloplasmin level is very important for sure. The problem is to figure out why it is low..
Excess of copper or any other toxicity or liver/adrenal/thyroid dysfunction can cause it..
In your case with CFS I can't help. Wish Helen was still around and posted some new findings if he has any..
Iti s basically protocol for slow oxidizers that have metal toxicities.. I think fast oxidizer who is low in copper can get into serious trouble doing it..
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Excess of copper or any other toxicity or liver/adrenal/thyroid dysfunction can cause it..
In your case with CFS I can't help. Wish Helen was still around and posted some new findings if he has any..
Ok, thanks for the info, I'll take a look into it. I wouldn't say I have CFS though really, I'm not fatigued despite the poor sleep.
@TubZy are you around? It seems you have good knowledge of zinc finger and may be able to offer some advice?