Equol

[Mateusz]

Hello everybody,

I'm new here, and I want to ask you about Equol.
I have side effects from taking soy protein for few months, pretty much they are the same as PFS, PAS etc. I was reading a lot about soy, after every single doctor told me "it's in your head", and I think the reason of my state is because of Equol. Some people have ability to metabolize equol from daidzein, when eating soy products, and then this thing is inactivating DHT by sticking into it, so DHT is no longer the same DHT and your receptors don't recognise it. No DHT cause receptor upregulation? at the same time Equol mimics Estradiol. I've seen S-Equol as an option for hairloss treatment. I'm stuck, with no libido, no erections, no motivation, etc. I even lost my ability for dreaming. And this website is only website that I can share it with, because I couldn't find any info about other people having same issues as me, except for few posts all over the internet about people losing their sexual desire after eating soy products, but they regain it when they stop eating it. it's been over 3 years now and I had only minimal change in side effects.

I'm writing here, because maybe some of you have some information, or maybe you want to try s-equol to upregulate your receptors by blocking DHT for a while. What I think happened to me is I blocked DHT, then when I stopped taking soy protein, my DHT jumped back on track, but it was too much for my receptors so they downregulated themselves. My recent bloodwork looks fine.

If you have any info please let me know.

 

[MNK99]

So a few months of soy made you severely depressed, changed your physique and face, and sleep patterns, and digestion, and made you bed ridden at times? I'm sure things here can help, I'm just wondering...

"I'm stuck, with no libido, no erections, no motivation..." and "It's been over 3 years."
I'm sorry, that is serious... I think while there may not be an exact protocol, there are helpful things here for your issue. I think the Moderators/some other users might be able to advise you.

Has weight lifting helped? Could you try a short water fast? Or better yet an extended water fast?

 

[Mateusz]

Yes, people are telling me I look older than my older brother, I'm 22, people on the street are say I look like 25~30, especially when I dont shave my face. I don't know why it's a surprise if some people have problems from other plants like Saw Palmetto, or just taking other drugs for just few days.

 

[vicecaz]

'What I think happened to me is I blocked DHT, then when I stopped taking soy protein, my DHT jumped back on track, but it was too much for my receptors so they downregulated themselves.''

I find this interesting as I think the same happened to me . Could you tell a bit more why you think that's what happened ? Did you have a period with huge libido, feeling normal and then a " crash " ?

The information available on this website will definitely help you, take some time to read as much as you can and feel free to ask anything when you have a question

Check out the link in the signature of @TubZy too

 

[Mateusz]

It was long time ago, I don't remember how exactly everything happened, I remember my libido going down and I wasn't sure why, so I kept going with soy, to that point that everything stopped having sense for me, I felt everything was pointless, girls, money etc. I did a blood tests, showing low T, but later on it went back to normal ranges, but no changes on how I felt. I remember a crash, I had a conversation with a girl, started to have an erection and then in one second everything just died i felt like I was about to throw up and my emotions were just fucked up. I don't remember when exactly was it, I think it was after I stopped taking those proteins. Over those 3 years i had a little improvement, at first I was really scared and stressed because I didn't know if it will stay like this, so a lot of stress, then I stopped stressing myself, like it just wasn't working anymore, I was watching few horror movies and laugh at the same time (ironic laugh), I didn't found them scarry at all.

Right now I feel like this stress emotions are workng fine, I can have an erection, but it doesn't last longer than few seconds, still no interest in sex.

 

[Goose12]

It was long time ago, I don't remember how exactly everything happened, I remember my libido going down and I wasn't sure why, so I kept going with soy, to that point that everything stopped having sense for me, I felt everything was pointless, girls, money etc. I did a blood tests, showing low T, but later on it went back to normal ranges, but no changes on how I felt. I remember a crash, I had a conversation with a girl, started to have an erection and then in one second everything just died i felt like I was about to throw up and my emotions were just fucked up. I don't remember when exactly was it, I think it was after I stopped taking those proteins. Over those 3 years i had a little improvement, at first I was really scared and stressed because I didn't know if it will stay like this, so a lot of stress, then I stopped stressing myself, like it just wasn't working anymore, I was watching few horror movies and laugh at the same time (ironic laugh), I didn't found them scarry at all.

Right now I feel like this stress emotions are workng fine, I can have an erection, but it doesn't last longer than few seconds, still no interest in sex.

ZINC FINGER THEORY DISCUSSION for PFS - 2 cases
This thread is a good place to start. Make sure to read the first page. Hair mineral analysis is a good place to start. More than likely you have an imbalance that's keeping you like this. Probably very similar to pfs.

Most of the cures on here so far has been based on mineral protocolsbased on hair tests.

 

[Mateusz]

Weight lifting wasn't helpfull, I was just more tired and didn't wanted to do anything. I was thinking about water fast, but I can't do that with my current job, I need energy and clear mind. I had my eye on Naltrexone aswell, but never tried. More risky drug to try for me is Fin, or S-Equol (to do the same thing but for shorter time).

Right now I'm waiting for dr Pezzi's new book. As far as I know there will be some stuff very helpfull to my case, and some more.
I'll wait with hair analysis, till the book comes out i guess, not sure how long it will take.

I just want to know my options, and if somebody can explain what was the mechanism that fucked me up it would be nice. Maybe due to lack of DHT(blocked by equol) my body increased 5AR, so my DHT went up, and T was low and 5BR went down?

 

[jacknap]

'What I think happened to me is I blocked DHT, then when I stopped taking soy protein, my DHT jumped back on track, but it was too much for my receptors so they downregulated themselves.''

I find this interesting as I think the same happened to me . Could you tell a bit more why you think that's what happened ? Did you have a period with huge libido, feeling normal and then a " crash " ?

The information available on this website will definitely help you, take some time to read as much as you can and feel free to ask anything when you have a question

Check out the link in the signature of @TubZy too

this is what it felt like. when i took ru58841 my libido and aggression was suppressed for two weeks. then came fludding back for two weeks and i felt fucking amazing. hardcore sex drive higher than i ever felt before and energy and aggression. then i yoyo'd back and forth till i fucking crashed hard.