Two things: stop eating at this rate. Body cannot handle it if you have these problems. You better start eating twice a day (pancreas needs pause of 16 h) for one to two weeks. Then just once a day - forex at 6pm for several weeks. Do water fasting in that period once /twice a week for at least 24 hours. Refeed forex with red meat and water. Int.F.helps you decreasing infl.in the gut system and repairs by using stem cells (water fasting up to two days). When on Int.fasting, start drinking after 16 h of non food intake : detox level is higher. ) To help the gluthation level build up, take GLUTH.IV once a week for 2-4 weeks. Take massive dosis.
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Infusion of glutathione.
Diet: I let out mostly proteins. They are not that important AS people think. Even dangerous taking much.
Check if you can eat low carb (veg.like spinach, Broccoli, red meat) and what fat (butter, oil) you can digest. Sometimes it is to find the right fat source.
The other Option is carb loading. Pizza, rice.
And I would research how to fix alcalosis. Hack has some interesting posts.
I have THW opposite as my ph level seems to be constantly at 5. I have def.to go on a Mineral / electrolyte protocol. I have EBV AS well. Sometimes you need to visit a practioner to geht information.
Diet: I let out mostly proteins. They are not that important AS people think. Even dangerous taking much.
Check if you can eat low carb (veg.like spinach, Broccoli, red meat) and what fat (butter, oil) you can digest. Sometimes it is to find the right fat source.
The other Option is carb loading. Pizza, rice.
And I would research how to fix alcalosis. Hack has some interesting posts.
I have THW opposite as my ph level seems to be constantly at 5. I have def.to go on a Mineral / electrolyte protocol. I have EBV AS well. Sometimes you need to visit a practioner to geht information.
You crashed when libido got high. This is uprising dht in my eyes. You seem to be a typical AR case. Prog. would be fine (there are the high dose protocol and the low dose protocol.) High dose every day 50-70 mg for one week. Check out here.
There is the tomatoe juice protocol AS well.
Nofap for 6days, on day 6 500-800 gr.tom.juice intake in the evening. FAP on day 7. Repeat.
There is the tomatoe juice protocol AS well.
Nofap for 6days, on day 6 500-800 gr.tom.juice intake in the evening. FAP on day 7. Repeat.
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With progesterone i feel fine. Thats true.
But why i feel good on it?
I have heard over 10 different reasons
I shed like crazy on Progesterone, and when i stop it everything its the same.
I have to follow 1 protocol.
I am extremely low in amino acids.
Low in Bs.
Low in glutathione.
Thats something critical that have to be fixed no matter what.
Alkalosis have to be fixed.
If that one failed i will go back to progesterone.
Where can I get an Infusion of Glutathione?
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There are two explanations for me:
It is a feedback loop I dont understand really well (if low potassium high prog helps)
Prog decreases testo and dht: by cycling you can upsentisize androgen rec.
I wonder if cycling is the best way.
If you feel good on it, make a blood test (Hormons, aminos, vits) to see what changed! This would be very beneficial for the community.
Iv: dont know where you live but you can try at a non medical practitioner AS docs are mainly installed to sell...and not cure I guess. If you habe not that possibility, try at least taking s acetyl gluthathione orrally and regurarely. The last point is most important, not just the amount. And if you can do a pure! waterfast for 4-7 days (7 days Vetter), great! No supps during that time cause not sure if it breaks the fast.
Variation: go for a 4 days water fast, go for other three days by adding supps.
Variation systematically: AS above, but you only intake forex gluthathione or b1,2.
Variation with Hormons: Water fast AS above, but then take prog for 5 days in lower (5-12mg) or higher amount (up to 80-100). The fast prolongs this way for 2 days, so totally 9 days. I would Experiment with Walter fast and supps and Hormons. It takes you just 4 Weeks to See what helped.
It is a feedback loop I dont understand really well (if low potassium high prog helps)
Prog decreases testo and dht: by cycling you can upsentisize androgen rec.
I wonder if cycling is the best way.
If you feel good on it, make a blood test (Hormons, aminos, vits) to see what changed! This would be very beneficial for the community.
Iv: dont know where you live but you can try at a non medical practitioner AS docs are mainly installed to sell...and not cure I guess. If you habe not that possibility, try at least taking s acetyl gluthathione orrally and regurarely. The last point is most important, not just the amount. And if you can do a pure! waterfast for 4-7 days (7 days Vetter), great! No supps during that time cause not sure if it breaks the fast.
Variation: go for a 4 days water fast, go for other three days by adding supps.
Variation systematically: AS above, but you only intake forex gluthathione or b1,2.
Variation with Hormons: Water fast AS above, but then take prog for 5 days in lower (5-12mg) or higher amount (up to 80-100). The fast prolongs this way for 2 days, so totally 9 days. I would Experiment with Walter fast and supps and Hormons. It takes you just 4 Weeks to See what helped.
Once again: if absorbing of NAC is not possible or a lack of aminos due to intoxification is there, fasting (autophagy) is the first step AS autoph.produces aminos on itself.
So, you MUST do water fasting to see what reactions you have.
Prepare your fasting by eating only fat for the last 4 days. This way your body starts faster in the fat burning modus when you fast. You must avoid sugar : uprising inflammation.
Maingoal is to eliminate the crap in the cells by autophagy. your are detoxing that way without using the detox path AS it occurs in the cell.
To See if you have metal overload (do the hairtest, I dont recomnend the provoking test for you). If so, de habe to bring out the metals Form the intrazellulär level etc. But this laater to be done.
When you are really fucked up even after 4 days oft fasting, parasites could be Hügel Problem AS well. See Alex green on youtube. Lets get startet man!
So, you MUST do water fasting to see what reactions you have.
Prepare your fasting by eating only fat for the last 4 days. This way your body starts faster in the fat burning modus when you fast. You must avoid sugar : uprising inflammation.
Maingoal is to eliminate the crap in the cells by autophagy. your are detoxing that way without using the detox path AS it occurs in the cell.
To See if you have metal overload (do the hairtest, I dont recomnend the provoking test for you). If so, de habe to bring out the metals Form the intrazellulär level etc. But this laater to be done.
When you are really fucked up even after 4 days oft fasting, parasites could be Hügel Problem AS well. See Alex green on youtube. Lets get startet man!
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Can I resensitize the receptors with prog?
I have to cycling it 4 sure.
And find the right timing on/off.
Yesterday i ate 400gr Brussels sprouts.
After about 1-2 hours i had a surge of Libido and a spot erection.
It seems its the DIM.
DIM is an DHT antagonist and an estrogen blocker.
But I believe that in my case the libido has to do with AR and not estrogen.
That why whn i use Progesterone, which is a known 5AR blocker I feel better.
It seems like my AR receptors are downregulated from the surge of DHT back in October.
I order some DIM 100mg.
I will start using it tommorow.
Another indication od Androgen receptor downregulation is that since the 1st day on B-complex/ Magnesium/ Zinc etc.
(things that are well known for boosting Testosterone/androgens) my libido is nonexistant.
The same happens when I do heavy lifting (squats etc).
The same when I take Vitamin D (or after sun exposure).
The problem is the androgens.
The Glutathuione, inflammation etc ofc exist but they are symptoms not the cause.
The cause is the malfunction of the Androgen Receptor.
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Zinc finger is the receptor for AR
it is the same receptor as cortisol or progesterone.
I wrote extensively about it.
Read this thread https://hackstasis.com/threads/hopeforrecovery-log.1042/
If you feel better on things that decrease testosterone, means that your receptor is too much. meaning you have high zinc.
if your receptor was not working, you would feel good on things like testosterone.
Also by the way, zinc lowers estrogen and zinc inhbits 5 alpha reductase. since zinc makes the AR receptor more sensitive
This is why when you take zinc, estrogen falls. And you probably already have low estrogen.
All cabbage is high in copper and chromium
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To add something last.
Why most of us end with low testosterone 200-300's?
Its a classic symptom to all PFSers.
I once had 750-850.
My explanation is that our body protects itself from androgens.
Thats why we have nutritional deficiencies at B complex / Zinc/Magnesium etc.
Our body dont want em and rejects them because they are co-factors and they will boost androgens.
Almost every PFSer have Zinc Magnesium + B6 deficiency. (ZMA)
Everything will be normal only after the upregulation of the AR.
When our body will be able to use androgens again.
I crash to zinc, Magnesium and B6 HARD!
Even when i do not combine em.
I crash to B complex.
I crash even to sunlight!
You dont have to be a genius to find whats going on here.
Why most of us end with low testosterone 200-300's?
Its a classic symptom to all PFSers.
I once had 750-850.
My explanation is that our body protects itself from androgens.
Thats why we have nutritional deficiencies at B complex / Zinc/Magnesium etc.
Our body dont want em and rejects them because they are co-factors and they will boost androgens.
Almost every PFSer have Zinc Magnesium + B6 deficiency. (ZMA)
Everything will be normal only after the upregulation of the AR.
When our body will be able to use androgens again.
I crash to zinc, Magnesium and B6 HARD!
Even when i do not combine em.
I crash to B complex.
I crash even to sunlight!
You dont have to be a genius to find whats going on here.
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Most PFS end up with high testosterone and DHT.
Some end up with low
Read this. https://hackstasis.com/threads/hopeforrecovery-log.1042/
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So i have to take copper + cysteine + histidine?
I feel bad on Proviron also.
My DHT is normal 0.55
My Prolactin normal 5.3-5.4
My Progesterone is 1.0 (at the high end)
Estrogen normal 28-29
androgens and everything that boosts em crash me hard.
You have said that at first we have to feel bad.
So if cabbage is high in Cu, how i felt so good almost immediately after consume it??
Why i didnt feel bad at copper?
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you feel bad on hormones, not minerals. If you give the right minerals you will feel good. if you take minerals they will stay in your body, but if you take hormones they wont stay in your body.
Read the post that I posted for you about hormones routes and about minerals routes
This forum started from cortisol and AR upregulated and downregulation and I fixed couple of people in a week based on that
https://hackstasis.com/threads/scenes-pfs-log-updated-log-2-11-18-recovery.10/ read this guys recovery
I have no idea why peopel dont read logs of people who recover and read some glutathione stuff still. glutathione is a part of it. but you have to take right minerals. for your body chemistry
And if you dont wnat to fuck with minerals, then there are hormonal routes outlined. Some people do really good on testosterone with progesterone. at the same time.
some do good on pinepollen and vitex.
https://hackstasis.com/threads/hopeforrecovery-log.1042/
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@Helen: What we havent outlined yet, is what protocol (Hormons, and if which ones?etc.) matches perfectly with the Kind of pfs profile. Thats why I suggested a comprehensive manual. It is to find in my first and longer posts. Maybe this helps a bit structuring.
@EsQimo: very good post. I would geht a hair Mineral /Metal test. And a comprehensive stool test together with some bloodwork (testo/dht/prog/Estradiol) and a Cortisol test (saliva24h test).
You will see a lot.
If you have forex malabsorption, getting or absorbing whatever stuff is almost impossible.
Before going on that Route, you can cycle Prog in the two different manners. High or low dose protocol and doing it on a 7-10days fast. Afterwords, it seems, adding zinc could be important @Helen: right?
Low dose can be 5-12 mg.
Best
@EsQimo: very good post. I would geht a hair Mineral /Metal test. And a comprehensive stool test together with some bloodwork (testo/dht/prog/Estradiol) and a Cortisol test (saliva24h test).
You will see a lot.
If you have forex malabsorption, getting or absorbing whatever stuff is almost impossible.
Before going on that Route, you can cycle Prog in the two different manners. High or low dose protocol and doing it on a 7-10days fast. Afterwords, it seems, adding zinc could be important @Helen: right?
Low dose can be 5-12 mg.
Best
Anavar is a weak dht Agonist, right?
What profile did this guy have?
AR? Downsentisized or upsentidized Rec.? High or low testo /dht?
This is very good. I wrote about the fact why the body decreases testo and dht.
My testo was above range for a certain time on pfs. (at the beginning). Now, is decreased. Body wants to protect - exactely! And this way, it is possible to resentisize the receptors.
I would make some bloodwork before and on and after every protocol: testo, dht, prog, Estradiol and 24h saliva test Cortisol.
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Hello my friend.
Things are going a little bit better.
Im already 13 months in this situation.
My libido is a little bit stronger and IMHO the main problem is not the libido but some kind of Nitric Oxide Dysfunction due to finasteride usage.
I have been diagnosed with Diabetes type 2 :/
Insulin need 2-3 hours to elevate after Glucose ingestion :/
According to my Endocrinologist insulin and Nitric oxide regulate each other.
When you cant produce nitric oxide, your insulin isnt working and you become diabetic.
5 months before my crash (May 2017) I had made Glucose and Insulin tolerance test and everything was absolutely perfect...
Finasteride crash made me diabetic :/
I get better with time but the progression is veeeery slow.
I can have an erection fast when i watch porn with no manual stimulation.
Cialis is working sometimes now. (a year before it was like a sugar pill)
My hair started thinning and falling slowly.
The good news are that I can finally work out at the Gym.
I do not crash on androgens anymore!!!
From the other hand everytime that I take a pill of B complex vitamins OR Magnesium I experience a mini crash that lasts 3-4 days.
For some reason Im pissing B vitamins and Magnesium. (maybe because the are not methylated??? ).
I have a HEAVY deficiency of B vitamins and Magnesium and doctor suggested me to take supplements, but my body cant handle em at all.
I dont know why :/
Nothing has helped me until now except time.
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