Experimental Hair Loss Options

Niles

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TubZy said:
No you are right, has a good mineral profile as well, just make sure it is super refined so you scrub with it, I never tried Himalayan personally yet though
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I'm always hesitant to try scrubs or massages because even shampooing too hard causes me to see more hairs in the drain... Do you see any increase in hair loss initially?
 
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heygate

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Yeah I was thinking the same, that's why I reckon it's a safer bet to apply the scrub when your hair is dry and strong to prevent any potential hair loss from the application
 
Greg313

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There’s a decent looking sea salt based shampoo made with coconut oil by LUSH cosmetics. I watched a YouTube video of how they make it and they use a lot of sea salt. Just bought a bottle so I’ll see how it is.
 
SwaZ

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Has anyone tried topical zinc, like citrate or oxide?
I read somewhere that zinc deficiency causes lower levels of pge2 and pgf2a, and zinc excess causes them to rise.

Also anyone heard of Edgar Cayce's hair loss solution, you just massage crude oil into your scalp, lol might try that if i can get some crude oil
 
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Niles said:
I'm always hesitant to try scrubs or massages because even shampooing too hard causes me to see more hairs in the drain... Do you see any increase in hair loss initially?
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No I haven't noticed that at all and tried twice a day too, but once a day is fine. I use the super fine grains, the coarse ones are too harsh on my scalp. You should notice after you do it your hair should look better. Keep in mind I haven't used any shampoo in like many months now so this is the only thing I do.
 
TubZy

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SwaZ said:
Has anyone tried topical zinc, like citrate or oxide?
I read somewhere that zinc deficiency causes lower levels of pge2 and pgf2a, and zinc excess causes them to rise.

Also anyone heard of Edgar Cayce's hair loss solution, you just massage crude oil into your scalp, lol might try that if i can get some crude oil
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I tried topical zinc sulfate and b6 a long time ago. My hair did look better when I used it, but the sulfate form was screwing with my allergies so I stopped. Never tried citrate
 
snowball

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Wondering if TEI and ARL can help with hair loss and reversing greying by balancing body?Thoughts?
 
IHateFin

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Am I the only one who gets excited when their scalp burns? Haha
 
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just got a hair cut yesterday and became waaaay more noticble but I have shitloads of grey hairs. especially on the side like maybe a hundred each side. I had maybe like a dozen before I crashed but not sleeping normally for a year I'd imagine is a lot of stress so full coloured hairs is probably not my bodies prioriety

what's the scoop on restoring hair colour? shilajit id imagine helps from the minerals? cold showers. head stands
 
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Helen said:
@Jamie

Protein wasting happens in too fast thyroid. If thyroid is too fast. body is gettting rid of potassium and magnesium. Since potassium is what makes the thyroid hormone to work in the cell.

Free copper binds to proteins like tyrosinase, and breaks it down, this lowers thyroid hormones. If you have too much free copper that is why you have low thyroid .


That is why for some slow oxidizers, anything that binds copper, like lysine, histidine, glycine, vitamin C. Will speed up the thyroid and actually lower progesterone and allow the body to waste potassium to get rid of it from the cell.

Mixed oxidizers, that used Fin, and other drugs. and artificially altered their oxidation rate. Need to use both of these methods combined,


This is why Ray peat approach is wrong, since he looked at some people and said, oh, you need to do the opposite . If you were eating high phosphorus diet. you need to just turn around and eat high calcium diet. Well now it is imbalanced into another side.

If you were an eater of high phosphorus diet, you just need to balance that diet. and if you are an eater of high calcium diet, well you need to balance that diet out also. Not just go from one extreme to another, where you will get different symptoms.



but the whole RPF forum, just take this as extreme and eat high calcium high milk low phosphorus diet. and then they all experience problems with teeth etc , same as Ray Peat did. It is all about balance.

This is why those people take lysine, C and they say they lower serotonin/ and then they start experiencing histamine reactions and pricklings and energy crashes. LOL Lysine and C bind free copper, copper is part of MAO -A. so lysine and C will increase thyroid. which will increase cortisol . and since it will lower MAO A it will increase cortisol. THYROID increases ACTH and LH. it always did and always will. since thyroid is fire. and fire burns wood and wood is sugar, and adrenaline and cortisol provide that wood. along with diet.

So not to have stress hormones , you need to have balance oxidation rate. IN slow oxidizers slow metabolism people's cortisol is low. NOT high. since their metabolism is low and they dont need it. Those people have low serotonin. since serotonin goes up when you have low free copper and those people have high free copper.

In fast oxidizer high thyroid low free copper , you have potassium losses from the cell, high cortisol, high serotonin. . High ceruloplasmin

In slow oxidizer ,low thyroid , you have high free copper., you retain potassium in the cell, you have low potassium on the hairtest, so potassium is not leaving the cell, you have high progesterone, meaning that body want to retain more and more potassium. when you bind free copper with glycine lysine, vitamin C, histidine, zinc manganese for that person, body will be getting rid of potassium from the cell, and it will lower progesterone


Also, the higher your thyroid is , the more ferritin will be. So for those with low ferritin, you will do good on lysine and C. Since it will bind free copper, and increases speed of the thyroid. And this will increase your ferritin since ferritin will be needed in the cell since body will be wanting to use iron to convert progesterone into cortisol

But no matter what you take , you will go into the opposite body chemsitry within a month, and instead of one type of hairloss, you get another, or from diabetes 1 you can go into diabetes 2.

that is why minerals vitamins , should be used short term. or should be used in balanced rations.

for both oxidation rates. and let the body take what it needs. SO you need always to feed something for a month , stop it and eat balanced, or feed another side together with the stuff that you were taking


AND HORMONES SHOULD NEVER BE USED> since it unbalances your mineral ratios, you are taking the hormone that dont not belong there.


This is why @Jamie when you feed copper, you slow down the thyroid. And now body is asking for potassium in the cell. you were losing this potassium and magnesium, to keep potassium low in the cell, since your thyroid was too fast.

And if you are taking thyroid hormone excessively , you are wasting losing potassium from the cell. And this causes copper and calcium losses. And you lose your teeth like Ray Peat did. And feeding calcium and copper, in this case like he is suggesting DOES NOT WORK.
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