Experimental Hair Loss Options

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JonnyCraig post_id=111 time=1507166016 user_id=71 said:
This shit is blowing my mind... especially about Progesterone.

I'ver been on a 7-8 months journey.. and I am still unsure if prog is PRO HAIR OR ANTI HAIR for me.

Right now I'm off it for almost a week... at first my shedding STOPPED when I stopped using it, but then picked up after a few days. Right now it seems kind of bad, but at the same token, my hair seems a bit thicker overall somehow. I am so confused.

Buying Manganese right now, and will take with zinc !

As for Diet... I am SO goddamn confused. Should I stick with Milk, OJ, etc? so damn confused.... I also eat a shit load of cheese. I just want to know what is best for my hair loss (likely AGA hair loss).

Can’t say for sure what type you are but he has said very clearly and confidently that zinc plus mang plus salt scrubs and lecithin or polysorb 80 will fix AGA hair loss.

If you felt worse on peat diet with lots of sugar and constant feeding, you’re likely in the majority and the above should work for you.

Let’s test it and find out! The theory definitely checks out for mine, answered a lot of my questions that didn’t match up with what anyone was saying from Raypeat land, now it’s a matter of testing.
 

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Scenes post_id=119 time=1507170726 user_id=49 said:
JonnyCraig post_id=111 time=1507166016 user_id=71 said:
This shit is blowing my mind... especially about Progesterone.

I'ver been on a 7-8 months journey.. and I am still unsure if prog is PRO HAIR OR ANTI HAIR for me.

Right now I'm off it for almost a week... at first my shedding STOPPED when I stopped using it, but then picked up after a few days. Right now it seems kind of bad, but at the same token, my hair seems a bit thicker overall somehow. I am so confused.

Buying Manganese right now, and will take with zinc !

As for Diet... I am SO goddamn confused. Should I stick with Milk, OJ, etc? so damn confused.... I also eat a shit load of cheese. I just want to know what is best for my hair loss (likely AGA hair loss).

Can’t say for sure what type you are but he has said very clearly and confidently that zinc plus mang plus salt scrubs and lecithin or polysorb 80 will fix AGA hair loss.

If you felt worse on peat diet with lots of sugar and constant feeding, you’re likely in the majority and the above should work for you.

Let’s test it and find out! The theory definitely checks out for mine, answered a lot of my questions that didn’t match up with what anyone was saying from Raypeat land, now it’s a matter of testing.

Hey dude, glad to see you here!

I just ordered 3 bottles of manganese! going to do 10mg of that + 22mg or so of zinc a day.

I'll be starting this tomorrow!

As for diet... I have no freaking idea what the hell to do right now. I've been lead to believe SUGAR SUGAR SUGAR is great, and milk, cheese, etc.

Can you help? What's the best diet for you, for your hair, etc?
 

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nice exec summary tubz, was so hard to piece together the 58 monster thread on rp

right now my current protocol for hair (basically stuff that's good for health in general but also helps ze hair)

1) headstands for 2 minutes
2) thorne extra
3) upgraded collagen
4) liver (chicken/beef)
5) Seafood

haidut was saying that taurine works better than fin...

also idea, using skin brush on the head? gbold / cdnuts combo lol
 

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m_arch post_id=93 time=1507156481 user_id=66 said:
Milky post_id=65 time=1507136197 user_id=77 said:
TubZy post_id=52 time=1507123823 user_id=2 said:
Someone posted results with zinc and manganese so far. I forget the persons username but it was from the temporary lasting sides forum where the post was I need to go back and track his username. Should be intereresting lol.

It might be me, I've been using zinc + manganese for almost 2 weeks now and having noticeable results. I'll share more details soon.

Great to be here!
Woo milky. Noticeable as in new regrowth? At your temples?

Too early to tell on the new regrowth, but I don't really think growing new hair in the bald areas happens that fast. Bolduev said it could take a year to regrow if completely bald, I would think that might apply to smaller (but bald) areas as well. I'm watching it though. Taking pics once a week after a weekly buzz with a #2 guard, but hoping to see differences when comparing pics 30 days apart. I'm on day 13, so next buzz/pic is day 15, etc. I have recession at the temples, a small bald spot about the size of a quarter right behind the front patch on my right side, and the classic thinning crown.

Here's what I've noticed so far (and what I've added/changed):

After just 2 days of taking zinc 30 mg + manganese 8mg (both from Pure Encapsulations) the main thing that started happening was more random wood throughout the day, and more sustained wood strength during play time. I’ve taken the combo almost every day for 13 days now and this has continued pretty much every day. I have also noticed a definite strengthening of my fingernails, they seem harder and the white tips are more pronounced. I think Bolduev’s right about iron being bio-unavailable when manganese is low.

I’ve often suspected I had issues with iron, it’s always high in serum tests (hemoglobin is usually 17.5 or so) along with high RBC and hematocrit the last few years. I gave blood 5 times in a row every 3 months and watched my hemoglobin go down by the 3rd time to 16.0, but the 4th and 5th donations tanked my energy levels (prob cuz I gave away too many other minerals as well) and the last donation was over a year ago.

I’ve also completely stopped drinking liquid milk and cut way down on cheese, and I've been eating more cooked vegetables every day, like literally forcing them by the plateful as often as I can. Not forcing them against my tastes, I love them! Just forcing myself to change my eating habits. They have replaced most of the fruit and fruit juice I was consuming. No more occasional ice cream, backing off on coffee (down to 1 cup a day from 2-3 cups), almost completely eliminated bread/pasta again (often a love/hate struggle) and I'm drinking more water than I was. With all this I’ve noticed a nice change in my skin quality as well and I think it’s a combo of all these things.

My hair is buzzed and super clean and nice feeling with the salt scrubbing, and it just feels much more like healthy hair lately. The hairs all right in the front/center patch seem thicker and are standing straight out whereas before all the hair on top seemed kinda thin and wispy (weak) even at the shorter length. Dandruff is absolutely zero, not that bad lately anyway, but occasional dry patches would happen. No worries on that with the salt, it probably scrubs it right off. I'm not doing lecithin every day because I miss it sometimes in the mornings, but the salt scrub is happening daily. I've gotten to where I actually do scratch my head hard with my finger tips (no long nails) and really grind the salt in there. I let it sit for a few more minutes or so then rinse, and it usually burns a little for a few seconds, which I think is good. If it doesn't burn when rinsing I think I didn't scrub hard enough!

So overall I’ve noticed some definite improvements. I feel like my gut has loosened up, but I haven’t checked to see what the scale says. Don’t really care, I just use it as one of several reference points. I also just feel more relaxed? Mentally and physically. I'm not sure how to describe this part. I'm not as tired at the end of the day. So yeah, I feel like the ship is being steered back in the right direction after a 4-year detour :)
 

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Guys, don't shoot me on this, and I think I already know what the answer will be, but..

Has anyone experimented with taking Iron itself?

I have some advanced ferrochel iron pills..

My ferritin was tested at.. 53 or 63, I believe. (which is low, this was in July of 2016)

I did take a ferrochel pill last night before bed. No shedding this morning except for 1-2 hairs. (some mornings I can shed a lot)

I MAY cautiously continue my little experiment of taking the ferrochel iron. This is the exact product: https://ca.iherb.com/pr/source-naturals-advanced-ferrochel-180-tablets/1021

I will be getting my Manganese today (this one: http://trophicproducts.com/product/manganese-chelazome/)

Here's a question - What is the ideal/best time to take the zinc/manganese? morning? before bed? doesn't matter?

BTW Mr. TubZy.. are you still on lisuride???
 

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I've tried it mid morning, mid afternoon, and before bed, but not really noticing a difference. I think the best time may be before bed so it's being absorbed/used during sleep while the body is in repair mode, but that's just an opinion.
 

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Milky post_id=194 time=1507212734 user_id=77 said:
I've tried it mid morning, mid afternoon, and before bed, but not really noticing a difference. I think the best time may be before bed so it's being absorbed/used during sleep while the body is in repair mode, but that's just an opinion.

makes sense to me!
 

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I wanted to revive topical lard. There was a log a few years back on a private forum where people including me had imrprovements from it like stopping shedding and improving hair.

People were just using organic lard and rubbing it on there heads and letting it sit for a few hours or overnight. Basically the same method as using castor oil.

Actually, one of the improvements was using topical lard and heating it up so it turns to liquid and adding a few drops of castor oil in it, and the results were even better.

One of you should give it a try, only downside is you may smell slightly like bacon especially when you heat it LOL
 

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Are you guys putting lecithin on in a thick layer or just massage in like a cream?
If I use less, it’s possible to massage all in and the stickiness is not that notable.

Maybe @gbolduev is more = better ?
 

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jacknap post_id=135 time=1507175262 user_id=82 said:
nice exec summary tubz, was so hard to piece together the 58 monster thread on rp

right now my current protocol for hair (basically stuff that's good for health in general but also helps ze hair)

1) headstands for 2 minutes
2) thorne extra
3) upgraded collagen
4) liver (chicken/beef)
5) Seafood

haidut was saying that taurine works better than fin...

also idea, using skin brush on the head? gbold / cdnuts combo lol

Gbolduev recommends avoiding liver for slow oxidizers because of the high copper content, which is already too high
 

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JonnyCraig post_id=178 time=1507203841 user_id=71 said:
Guys, don't shoot me on this, and I think I already know what the answer will be, but..

Has anyone experimented with taking Iron itself?

I have some advanced ferrochel iron pills..

My ferritin was tested at.. 53 or 63, I believe. (which is low, this was in July of 2016)

I did take a ferrochel pill last night before bed. No shedding this morning except for 1-2 hairs. (some mornings I can shed a lot)

I MAY cautiously continue my little experiment of taking the ferrochel iron. This is the exact product: https://ca.iherb.com/pr/source-naturals-advanced-ferrochel-180-tablets/1021

I will be getting my Manganese today (this one: http://trophicproducts.com/product/manganese-chelazome/)

Here's a question - What is the ideal/best time to take the zinc/manganese? morning? before bed? doesn't matter?

BTW Mr. TubZy.. are you still on lisuride???

No, I haven't taken lisuride in a while, are you? The only two anti prolactin drugs I have at the moment are metergoline and caber.
 

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Noodle post_id=273 time=1507238164 user_id=63 said:
Are you guys putting lecithin on in a thick layer or just massage in like a cream?
If I use less, it’s possible to massage all in and the stickiness is not that notable.

Maybe @gbolduev is more = better ?

I put a decent amount in but I switched to polysorb 80, because the lecithin just got to be too much of a hassle, I think it was hard to get out than castor oil lol
 

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Milky post_id=139 time=1507177355 user_id=77 said:
m_arch post_id=93 time=1507156481 user_id=66 said:
Milky post_id=65 time=1507136197 user_id=77 said:
It might be me, I've been using zinc + manganese for almost 2 weeks now and having noticeable results. I'll share more details soon.

Great to be here!
Woo milky. Noticeable as in new regrowth? At your temples?

Too early to tell on the new regrowth, but I don't really think growing new hair in the bald areas happens that fast. Bolduev said it could take a year to regrow if completely bald, I would think that might apply to smaller (but bald) areas as well. I'm watching it though. Taking pics once a week after a weekly buzz with a #2 guard, but hoping to see differences when comparing pics 30 days apart. I'm on day 13, so next buzz/pic is day 15, etc. I have recession at the temples, a small bald spot about the size of a quarter right behind the front patch on my right side, and the classic thinning crown.

Here's what I've noticed so far (and what I've added/changed):

After just 2 days of taking zinc 30 mg + manganese 8mg (both from Pure Encapsulations) the main thing that started happening was more random wood throughout the day, and more sustained wood strength during play time. I’ve taken the combo almost every day for 13 days now and this has continued pretty much every day. I have also noticed a definite strengthening of my fingernails, they seem harder and the white tips are more pronounced. I think Bolduev’s right about iron being bio-unavailable when manganese is low.

I’ve often suspected I had issues with iron, it’s always high in serum tests (hemoglobin is usually 17.5 or so) along with high RBC and hematocrit the last few years. I gave blood 5 times in a row every 3 months and watched my hemoglobin go down by the 3rd time to 16.0, but the 4th and 5th donations tanked my energy levels (prob cuz I gave away too many other minerals as well) and the last donation was over a year ago.

I’ve also completely stopped drinking liquid milk and cut way down on cheese, and I've been eating more cooked vegetables every day, like literally forcing them by the plateful as often as I can. Not forcing them against my tastes, I love them! Just forcing myself to change my eating habits. They have replaced most of the fruit and fruit juice I was consuming. No more occasional ice cream, backing off on coffee (down to 1 cup a day from 2-3 cups), almost completely eliminated bread/pasta again (often a love/hate struggle) and I'm drinking more water than I was. With all this I’ve noticed a nice change in my skin quality as well and I think it’s a combo of all these things.

My hair is buzzed and super clean and nice feeling with the salt scrubbing, and it just feels much more like healthy hair lately. The hairs all right in the front/center patch seem thicker and are standing straight out whereas before all the hair on top seemed kinda thin and wispy (weak) even at the shorter length. Dandruff is absolutely zero, not that bad lately anyway, but occasional dry patches would happen. No worries on that with the salt, it probably scrubs it right off. I'm not doing lecithin every day because I miss it sometimes in the mornings, but the salt scrub is happening daily. I've gotten to where I actually do scratch my head hard with my finger tips (no long nails) and really grind the salt in there. I let it sit for a few more minutes or so then rinse, and it usually burns a little for a few seconds, which I think is good. If it doesn't burn when rinsing I think I didn't scrub hard enough!

So overall I’ve noticed some definite improvements. I feel like my gut has loosened up, but I haven’t checked to see what the scale says. Don’t really care, I just use it as one of several reference points. I also just feel more relaxed? Mentally and physically. I'm not sure how to describe this part. I'm not as tired at the end of the day. So yeah, I feel like the ship is being steered back in the right direction after a 4-year detour :)

Great news milky!! Im also joining the buzz cut bangwagon.

Actually i havent done anything but some lifestyle suggestions; some IF and reduced ejaculation (only so far i can takenthis since i have a gf lol). Oh, also ive cut sugar out and reduced overall carbs (more linked them to my activity level) and increased veggies / protein.

I think reducing ejaculation has made the area more sensitive but strangely i still have a lot of control while in the act. Its a weird combo. Overall i feel its an improvement to the experience. Although that could just be because like... you go without water, you appreciate it more when when you get it, kinda thing.

Ive noticed also that i seem to have less candida type stuff going on. Ive suffered from rashes in the past, and one long standing thing ive had has been a white tongue coating. This is hugely reduced. I suspect cos of less sugar too perhaps, but also maybe because im retaining more zinc.

My bodyfat % is down at 12.5% now at 74kg. During peating i was 85kg (im 184cm or 6"1), from cutting out dairy i literally dropped 10kg to 75. Ive remained there for a year at around 14.5% body fat, until gbolduevs recent posts. Maybe the IF helps me burn extra fat.
 

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jacknap post_id=322 time=1507254911 user_id=82 said:
I'm a fast oxidizer.

Id seriously recommend rubbing lard or tallow into your hair if ur a fast oxidiser with diffuse thinning
 

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TubZy post_id=216 time=1507217372 user_id=2 said:
I wanted to revive topical lard. There was a log a few years back on a private forum where people including me had imrprovements from it like stopping shedding and improving hair.

People were just using organic lard and rubbing it on there heads and letting it sit for a few hours or overnight. Basically the same method as using castor oil.

Actually, one of the improvements was using topical lard and heating it up so it turns to liquid and adding a few drops of castor oil in it, and the results were even better.

One of you should give it a try, only downside is you may smell slightly like bacon especially when you heat it LOL

Please god no... too much work, especially with my hair as long as it is now.. lol.

I was one of the originals who tried that.. bought organic lard from a local farm. Didn't use it long enough to say anything good or bad.
 

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TubZy post_id=325 time=1507255278 user_id=2 said:
JonnyCraig post_id=178 time=1507203841 user_id=71 said:
Guys, don't shoot me on this, and I think I already know what the answer will be, but..

Has anyone experimented with taking Iron itself?

I have some advanced ferrochel iron pills..

My ferritin was tested at.. 53 or 63, I believe. (which is low, this was in July of 2016)

I did take a ferrochel pill last night before bed. No shedding this morning except for 1-2 hairs. (some mornings I can shed a lot)

I MAY cautiously continue my little experiment of taking the ferrochel iron. This is the exact product: https://ca.iherb.com/pr/source-naturals-advanced-ferrochel-180-tablets/1021

I will be getting my Manganese today (this one: http://trophicproducts.com/product/manganese-chelazome/)

Here's a question - What is the ideal/best time to take the zinc/manganese? morning? before bed? doesn't matter?

BTW Mr. TubZy.. are you still on lisuride???

No, I haven't taken lisuride in a while, are you? The only two anti prolactin drugs I have at the moment are metergoline and caber.

Why no lisuride? Didn't you say it stopped your shedding? :(

What is good now? Is sugar BAD now (from what I'm reading). I am stopping milk now btw.

I am literally so confused. So we should do low carb?

One minute we're on Peat then the next, boom. lol
 

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JonnyCraig post_id=345 time=1507260705 user_id=71 said:
TubZy post_id=325 time=1507255278 user_id=2 said:
JonnyCraig post_id=178 time=1507203841 user_id=71 said:
Guys, don't shoot me on this, and I think I already know what the answer will be, but..

Has anyone experimented with taking Iron itself?

I have some advanced ferrochel iron pills..

My ferritin was tested at.. 53 or 63, I believe. (which is low, this was in July of 2016)

I did take a ferrochel pill last night before bed. No shedding this morning except for 1-2 hairs. (some mornings I can shed a lot)

I MAY cautiously continue my little experiment of taking the ferrochel iron. This is the exact product: https://ca.iherb.com/pr/source-naturals-advanced-ferrochel-180-tablets/1021

I will be getting my Manganese today (this one: http://trophicproducts.com/product/manganese-chelazome/)

Here's a question - What is the ideal/best time to take the zinc/manganese? morning? before bed? doesn't matter?

BTW Mr. TubZy.. are you still on lisuride???

No, I haven't taken lisuride in a while, are you? The only two anti prolactin drugs I have at the moment are metergoline and caber.

Why no lisuride? Didn't you say it stopped your shedding? :(

What is good now? Is sugar BAD now (from what I'm reading). I am stopping milk now btw.

I am literally so confused. So we should do low carb?

One minute we're on Peat then the next, boom. lol

Dr. J, Lol, just a recap, I used lisuride up until I started fasting. Once I started fasting I stopped literally all supplements, topical and oral. I was getting nervous because I thought my hair was screwed, but my hair stayed stagnant during water fasting (I did for 10 days).

Came off water fasting for a week, was only eating soup and still super low carb and my hair was still doing decent. Then I started on RU486 and my hair shedding picked up pretty heavy and my libido kicked in hard. That is when Gbol suggested salt scrubs, topical lecithin and just recently polysorbate 80.

So as of lately, only thing I have been using just salt scrubs and polysorb as suggested originally from @JDreamer

As for the Peat thing, after coming off the fast my digestion and glycogen/insulin sensitivity issues are fixed so I'm not even that hungry anymore and I don't feel like a slave to sugar so lower carb is fine for me. Not saying sugar is 100% bad, just saying do what works best for you. Prior to my fast, I needed sugar or else I felt like crap I was extremely insulin insensitive with poor glycogen stores.
 

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m_arch post_id=330 time=1507256853 user_id=66 said:
jacknap post_id=322 time=1507254911 user_id=82 said:
I'm a fast oxidizer.

Id seriously recommend rubbing lard or tallow into your hair if ur a fast oxidiser with diffuse thinning

You tried it lol? I think it is the most funniest hair protocol ever, but it actually does work. We are still not sure exactly how though...
 

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So it looks like Glob confirmed the benefits of using Polysorbate 80 - which is a known powerful emulsifier.