Experimental Hair Loss Options

[happenstance]

One month, 30 plus 10 and another 25 mg of zinc in the evening. I also take methionine p5p, b5, and msm. BTW, after a couple of weeks on msm I took some gse and think I had a intense die off, felt real bad and then great the next day. I'm thinking balancing copper and the effect of msm started a process of systemic Candida die off possibly. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Candida after all the sugar and no fiber.

 

[JonnyCraig]

One month, 30 plus 10 and another 25 mg of zinc in the evening. I also take methionine p5p, b5, and msm. BTW, after a couple of weeks on msm I took some gse and think I had a intense die off, felt real bad and then great the next day. I'm thinking balancing copper and the effect of msm started a process of systemic Candida die off possibly. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Candida after all the sugar and no fiber.

So you take 55mg of zinc total a day?

Interesting...

I am considering doing the ZINC/MANGANESE protocol perhaps taken in the morning, and copper before bed. I tried that only for a few days though.

 

[happenstance]

I don't know if I'm fast or slow. I felt bad on zinc manganese in the beginning but at the same time I felt clearer mentally so I stuck with it. After a month I've changed for the better. Tried copper too because I was unsure if I needed it, but it gave me liver pain.

I take the evening 25 mg of zinc almost 12 hours after the first dose. It feels right, calming and uplifting.

 

[JonnyCraig]

I don't know if I'm fast or slow. I felt bad on zinc manganese in the beginning but at the same time I felt clearer mentally so I stuck with it. After a month I've changed for the better. Tried copper too because I was unsure if I needed it, but it gave me liver pain.

I take the evening 25 mg of zinc almost 12 hours after the first dose. It feels right, calming and uplifting.

I think I may do zinc/mang in morning and copper at night..... that should cover all bases..

Anyone think that would be silly?

 

[Noodle]

One question for the Polysorbate 80 users, Is it safe?

Let’s see what the Material Safety Data Sheet for polysorbate 80 has to say:
• Slightly flammable to flammable in presence of heat
• Slightly hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (irritant), of ingestion, of inhalation.
• May cause adverse reproductive effects based on animal test data. No human data found.
• May cause cancer based on animal test data. No human data found.
• May affect genetic material (mutagenic)

Has anyone researched poly80 and knows if there is something to it?

 

[hairloser]

Travis seems to suggest to try Enoxolone which can be found on ebay, any ideas about that?

 

[Helen]

Travis seems to suggest to try Enoxolone which can be found on ebay, any ideas about that?

Licorice topically works. but licorice and spiro or anything topically will have the same effect as taking it inside. I tested it .

All of these just lower your testosterone since they increase conversion to estrogen

Licorice ( enoxolone) has been used topically for gazzilion of years, it is nothing new.

Youtube people use it for years. just check out the videos.

Spiro and enoxolone will effect your hormone levels EVEN TOPICALLY

 

[TubZy]

What forms of zinc, manganese and copper are you guys using

 

[Noodle]

Zinc and Manganese Gluconate

 

[TubZy]

Travis seems to suggest to try Enoxolone which can be found on ebay, any ideas about that?

Licorice topically works. but licorice and spiro or anything topically will have the same effect as taking it inside. I tested it .

All of these just lower your testosterone since they increase conversion to estrogen

Licorice ( enoxolone) has been used topically for gazzilion of years, it is nothing new.

Youtube people use it for years. just check out the videos.

Spiro and enoxolone will effect your hormone levels EVEN TOPICALLY

Topical licorice root? That is interesting LOL. So how does increasing estrogen increase hair growth/stop loss

 

[snowball]

I have pfs symptoms however not yet done hair testing. Having said that, my blood test in 2015 showed high levels of progesterone and since then I have very low hair loss.

Progesterone 0.2ng/mL range (<0.2)

I decided to try out zinc/manganese and salt wash last week and here are my findings:
- Scalp feel healthier
- Hair look soft and stronger
- Minor scalp itching after rubbing salt
- Better libido and stronger erections

Yesterday, I missed zinc/manganese and at night had the lower back pain and diarrhea coming back. Can this be attributed to an increase in already high progesterone levels? Any thoughts - [mention]gbolduev[/mention] [mention]TubZy[/mention] other members?

[I'm in process of getting the hair test done in a week's time and will stop supplements before the test.]

 

[jacknap]

Travis seems to suggest to try Enoxolone which can be found on ebay, any ideas about that?

Licorice topically works. but licorice and spiro or anything topically will have the same effect as taking it inside. I tested it .

All of these just lower your testosterone since they increase conversion to estrogen

Licorice ( enoxolone) has been used topically for gazzilion of years, it is nothing new.

Youtube people use it for years. just check out the videos.

Spiro and enoxolone will effect your hormone levels EVEN TOPICALLY

yup. I crashed from a topical anti-androgen so I can atteast to this. Anything you put topically will go into the bloodstream. sometimes even more than orally because it bypasses the liver and other screening methods of the body.

 

[TubZy]

Travis seems to suggest to try Enoxolone which can be found on ebay, any ideas about that?

Licorice topically works. but licorice and spiro or anything topically will have the same effect as taking it inside. I tested it .

All of these just lower your testosterone since they increase conversion to estrogen

Licorice ( enoxolone) has been used topically for gazzilion of years, it is nothing new.

Youtube people use it for years. just check out the videos.

Spiro and enoxolone will effect your hormone levels EVEN TOPICALLY

yup. I crashed from a topical anti-androgen so I can atteast to this. Anything you put topically will go into the bloodstream. sometimes even more than orally because it bypasses the liver and other screening methods of the body.

Topical can also slow absorption. The liver excretes it quickly via oral route so over time topical could actually build up easier in your system

 

[hairloser]

I have pfs symptoms however not yet done hair testing. Having said that, my blood test in 2015 showed high levels of progesterone and since then I have very low hair loss.

Progesterone 0.2ng/mL range (<0.2)

I decided to try out zinc/manganese and salt wash last week and here are my findings:
- Scalp feel healthier
- Hair look soft and stronger
- Minor scalp itching after rubbing salt
- Better libido and stronger erections

Yesterday, I missed zinc/manganese and at night had the lower back pain and diarrhea coming back. Can this be attributed to an increase in already high progesterone levels? Any thoughts - @gbolduev @TubZy other members?

[I'm in process of getting the hair test done in a week's time and will stop supplements before the test.]

I appreciate that you are sharing your experience, but can we stop with this bullshit that after 1 week hair looks stronger..? That is absolutely lame. The only thing where it would be possible to see difference is shedding rate. Your structure of the hair doesn't change in 1 week. It takes longer for hair to grow man...

 

[snowball]

I have pfs symptoms however not yet done hair testing. Having said that, my blood test in 2015 showed high levels of progesterone and since then I have very low hair loss.

Progesterone 0.2ng/mL range (<0.2)

I decided to try out zinc/manganese and salt wash last week and here are my findings:
- Scalp feel healthier
- Hair look soft and stronger
- Minor scalp itching after rubbing salt
- Better libido and stronger erections

Yesterday, I missed zinc/manganese and at night had the lower back pain and diarrhea coming back. Can this be attributed to an increase in already high progesterone levels? Any thoughts - @gbolduev @TubZy other members?

[I'm in process of getting the hair test done in a week's time and will stop supplements before the test.]

I appreciate that you are sharing your experience, but can we stop with this bullshit that after 1 week hair looks stronger..? That is absolutely lame. The only thing where it would be possible to see difference is shedding rate. Your structure of the hair doesn't change in 1 week. It takes longer for hair to grow man...

@hairloser
I mentioned in my post that hair "look" soft & stronger and that is my observation based on improvement in hair texture and lower shedding rate. When I took propecia, within a week there was significant improvement in hair quality, reduction in shedding and that was noticed by friends as well.
Long story short, everyone has a different way of reacting to a medicine or supplement depending on metabolism and other factors. Now coming back to your comment of calling my observation a BS, who told you that changes cannot happen so fast? Have you ran multiple experiments targeting "entire" population that makes you conclude this???? If you don't have answer, don't quote with your useless and baseless comments.

 

[Rez]

So I've noticed that if I go a few days without ejaculating my face gets super oily and I shed hair like crazy. Anyone know why this could be?

I did nofap for a month a while back and my hair loss diffused pretty badly

 

[freeflow]

I have pfs symptoms however not yet done hair testing. Having said that, my blood test in 2015 showed high levels of progesterone and since then I have very low hair loss.

Progesterone 0.2ng/mL range (<0.2)

I decided to try out zinc/manganese and salt wash last week and here are my findings:
- Scalp feel healthier
- Hair look soft and stronger
- Minor scalp itching after rubbing salt
- Better libido and stronger erections

Yesterday, I missed zinc/manganese and at night had the lower back pain and diarrhea coming back. Can this be attributed to an increase in already high progesterone levels? Any thoughts - @gbolduev @TubZy other members?

[I'm in process of getting the hair test done in a week's time and will stop supplements before the test.]

Interesting thar your diarrhoea came back after stopping zinc and manganese. Im taking thorne now to load up on minerals and gonna do a tribulus cycle, tribulus makes my stools super formed close to pre pfs level. Hopefully this thorne will prevent me from crashing( thats when diarrhoea appears)

My prog levels are two times higher than yours!

 

[Jamie]

I have pfs symptoms however not yet done hair testing. Having said that, my blood test in 2015 showed high levels of progesterone and since then I have very low hair loss.

Progesterone 0.2ng/mL range (<0.2)

I decided to try out zinc/manganese and salt wash last week and here are my findings:
- Scalp feel healthier
- Hair look soft and stronger
- Minor scalp itching after rubbing salt
- Better libido and stronger erections

Yesterday, I missed zinc/manganese and at night had the lower back pain and diarrhea coming back. Can this be attributed to an increase in already high progesterone levels? Any thoughts - @gbolduev @TubZy other members?

[I'm in process of getting the hair test done in a week's time and will stop supplements before the test.]

I appreciate that you are sharing your experience, but can we stop with this bullshit that after 1 week hair looks stronger..? That is absolutely lame. The only thing where it would be possible to see difference is shedding rate. Your structure of the hair doesn't change in 1 week. It takes longer for hair to grow man...

That's actually not a bullshit. I am a fast oxidizer with alarm stage of stress(magnesium deficiency) and a week ago I have started taking:
4mg copper glycinate chelate
500mg magnesium ions
1200mg calcium ions
After few days I have less dandruff and shedding, hair looks healthier and thicker. I am also less anxious.
Guys, should I put something else to my regime? I read that fasts ought to take Mg,Ca,Cu,Zn, but on hair test my level of zinc was way above normal so I am quite confused

 

[brix]

I have pfs symptoms however not yet done hair testing. Having said that, my blood test in 2015 showed high levels of progesterone and since then I have very low hair loss.

Progesterone 0.2ng/mL range (<0.2)

I decided to try out zinc/manganese and salt wash last week and here are my findings:
- Scalp feel healthier
- Hair look soft and stronger
- Minor scalp itching after rubbing salt
- Better libido and stronger erections

Yesterday, I missed zinc/manganese and at night had the lower back pain and diarrhea coming back. Can this be attributed to an increase in already high progesterone levels? Any thoughts - @gbolduev @TubZy other members?

[I'm in process of getting the hair test done in a week's time and will stop supplements before the test.]

I appreciate that you are sharing your experience, but can we stop with this bullshit that after 1 week hair looks stronger..? That is absolutely lame. The only thing where it would be possible to see difference is shedding rate. Your structure of the hair doesn't change in 1 week. It takes longer for hair to grow man...

That's actually not a bullshit. I am a fast oxidizer with alarm stage of stress(magnesium deficiency) and a week ago I have started taking:
4mg copper glycinate chelate
500mg magnesium ions
1200mg calcium ions
After few days I have less dandruff and shedding, hair looks healthier and thicker. I am also less anxious.
Guys, should I put something else to my regime? I read that fasts ought to take Mg,Ca,Cu,Zn, but on hair test my level of zinc was way above normal so I am quite confused

I am taking the same thing along with 25mg zinc and have much reduced hair shed, inflammation, and dandruff.

 

[JonnyCraig]

I appreciate that you are sharing your experience, but can we stop with this bullshit that after 1 week hair looks stronger..? That is absolutely lame. The only thing where it would be possible to see difference is shedding rate. Your structure of the hair doesn't change in 1 week. It takes longer for hair to grow man...

That's actually not a bullshit. I am a fast oxidizer with alarm stage of stress(magnesium deficiency) and a week ago I have started taking:
4mg copper glycinate chelate
500mg magnesium ions
1200mg calcium ions
After few days I have less dandruff and shedding, hair looks healthier and thicker. I am also less anxious.
Guys, should I put something else to my regime? I read that fasts ought to take Mg,Ca,Cu,Zn, but on hair test my level of zinc was way above normal so I am quite confused

I am taking the same thing along with 25mg zinc and have much reduced hair shed, inflammation, and dandruff.

Hi brix.

Are you still using prolactin inhibitors as well?

FYI:

I have been using 4mg copper for past 2 weeks or so, and just re-added in 10mg manganese/22mg zinc, taken MORNING, and the copper before bedtime.