FATTY LIVER

Helen

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As we look at dutasteride and finasteride cases, we see that 70% or more of people come off those and experience no side effects, no PFS .

this tells us that there is some condition which has to be met to crash from those. And that condition might be a fatty liver.
 

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I’ve been focussing on the liver for a while as well. Tudca, flushes, enema’s, diet changes, etc. What else can be done to threat this?
 

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Its particular metabolic disbalance/s that probably is the main cause of the issues, that probably includes fatty liver as an outcome in some cases. Some in the enzymes activity in the liver processes.
 

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I have an enlarged liver with elevated enzymes, doc never said anything about fatty liver tho so idk about that however i do have a lot of symptoms in common with PFS people.
 

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I have an enlarged liver with elevated enzymes, doc never said anything about fatty liver tho so idk about that however i do have a lot of symptoms in common with PFS people.


you have enlarged liver and elevated enzymes and you are looking for what is wrong with you? why you have chronic fatigue?

as I said all people with PFS and POIS were found to have mallasezia restricta. it is fungus which eats OIL>

since oil is not being absorbed in the intestine. this fungus then kills benefical bacteria in the colon and you get deficient in butyric acid. which modulates tons of stuff in the body, butyric acid is antifungal itself. it is HDAC, and gaba agonist.

that is why some people got better on GHB.

I created electrolytes SIBO protocol in 2012. its goal was to support all digestion. get rid of sibo, and support liver and get rid of fatty liver

this is why without getting rid of liver problems, drinking gut drinks does not hold., it will just come back . very fast, since malassezia grows in days. if there is oil.
 
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This is what I have been thinking for a while now. I think all of us have some kind of organ dysfunction and for most, or all of us it involves the liver.

This is why CD's protocol works: fasting, low carb, most of the herbs are great for the liver, promotes healthy living, and Randro lowers cholesterol (I think). @Boris if I remember right didn't you write and article stating that Randro was originally used to lower cholesterol.

Tei is the same. It uses nutritional balancing to put the body back into a healthy state.

The reason we are in this mess is drugs, infections, heavy metals, diet, ect...

Something I am still confused on is why don't liver cleanses fix this faster. I have had no luck with them. I have done two in the past and I feel like they make things worse. I will say in the middle of my last cleanse I had rock hard erections, full ejaculation, and random boners, but still had insomnia and no brain dick connection at the time. This is the protocol I was using Surprisingly Simple Liver Cleanse

It included these supps Liver Cleanse Kit

A lot of stones came out but felt even worse afterwards.
 

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@Goose12 When I took bacilus laterosporus, I thought I was going to die. could not tolerate that thing at all. May be it was doing something, but I wasn't ready to find out ))

they say its a good supp for candida and sibo. but I did not take it for long. It dried me out crazy I felt so dry skin on it. and super dry hair.. Did you have that?
 

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@Goose12 When I took bacilus laterosporus, I thought I was going to die. could not tolerate that thing at all. May be it was doing something, but I wasn't ready to find out ))

they say its a good supp for candida and sibo. but I did not take it for long. It dried me out crazy I felt so dry skin on it. and super dry hair.. Did you have that?
I don't remember. That was two years ago and when I crashed really hard. I had all kinds of symptoms at the time. Mostly liver related like pale stool, insomnia, dry skin, stomach pain, ect....

What do you think is the best course for fixing fatty liver? Tei seems to be working but is there something that could be added?

I plan on getting bloods around October to see what a year of tei can do.
 

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you have enlarged liver and elevated enzymes and you are looking for what is wrong with you? why you have chronic fatigue?

as I said all people with PFS and POIS were found to have mallasezia restricta. it is fungus which eats OIL>

since oil is not being absorbed in the intestine. this fungus then kills benefical bacteria in the colon and you get deficient in butyric acid. which modulates tons of stuff in the body, butyric acid is antifungal itself. it is HDAC, and gaba agonist.

that is why some people got better on GHB.

I created electrolytes SIBO protocol in 2012. its goal was to support all digestion. get rid of sibo, and support liver and get rid of fatty liver

this is why without getting rid of liver problems, drinking gut drinks does not hold., it will just come back . very fast, since malassezia grows in days. if there is oil.

Only time my liver was normal was when i did keto and fasting. Maybe thats why i felt good on it.
 

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you have enlarged liver and elevated enzymes and you are looking for what is wrong with you? why you have chronic fatigue?

as I said all people with PFS and POIS were found to have mallasezia restricta. it is fungus which eats OIL>

since oil is not being absorbed in the intestine. this fungus then kills benefical bacteria in the colon and you get deficient in butyric acid. which modulates tons of stuff in the body, butyric acid is antifungal itself. it is HDAC, and gaba agonist.

that is why some people got better on GHB.

I created electrolytes SIBO protocol in 2012. its goal was to support all digestion. get rid of sibo, and support liver and get rid of fatty liver

this is why without getting rid of liver problems, drinking gut drinks does not hold., it will just come back . very fast, since malassezia grows in days. if there is oil.

Is it possible to have POIS/PFS without taking fin/accutane etc? Just from inborn imbalance + lifestyle maybe? I read a lot of PFS people were hypersexual before Fin. I had the same thing till i 'crashed' with CFS and libido was gone after that.
 

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Is it possible to have POIS/PFS without taking fin/accutane etc? Just from inborn imbalance + lifestyle maybe? I read a lot of PFS people were hypersexual before Fin. I had the same thing till i 'crashed' with CFS and libido was gone after that.


of course it is possible, majority people never take finasteride and have PFS and POIS type of illness. just check out poiscenter.com.
 

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This is what I have been thinking for a while now. I think all of us have some kind of organ dysfunction and for most, or all of us it involves the liver.

This is why CD's protocol works: fasting, low carb, most of the herbs are great for the liver, promotes healthy living, and Randro lowers cholesterol (I think). @Boris if I remember right didn't you write and article stating that Randro was originally used to lower cholesterol.

Tei is the same. It uses nutritional balancing to put the body back into a healthy state.

The reason we are in this mess is drugs, infections, heavy metals, diet, ect...

Something I am still confused on is why don't liver cleanses fix this faster. I have had no luck with them. I have done two in the past and I feel like they make things worse. I will say in the middle of my last cleanse I had rock hard erections, full ejaculation, and random boners, but still had insomnia and no brain dick connection at the time. This is the protocol I was using Surprisingly Simple Liver Cleanse

It included these supps Liver Cleanse Kit

A lot of stones came out but felt even worse afterwards.

Here’s a link on the R Andro theory you mentioned: Androsterone Lowers Cholesterol and Mimics Thyroid Hormone
 

Nina

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of course it is possible, majority people never take finasteride and have PFS and POIS type of illness. just check out poiscenter.com.

Low stress tolerance would be low GABA? That is my main problem. I have POIS symptoms from any stress.
 

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Again, I had massive improvements using TUDCA, Taurine, coffee and glycine, especially regarding digestion, food sensitivities, hair/skin health, and even in EQ, more than any probiotics, cleanses, fasting, or diet intervention ever had. These three things all impact positively liver health. I always thought that some of these symptoms were directly linked to the gut/colon, and tried to act accordingly, while I'm convinced now that poor liver health was the culprit.

I would have thought that my liver was regenerated after having followed a ketogenic diet all throughout 2018, several days of water fasting, etc. but that's only after I did the combo above that the improvements occurred.


as I said all people with PFS and POIS were found to have mallasezia restricta. it is fungus which eats OIL>

since oil is not being absorbed in the intestine. this fungus then kills benefical bacteria in the colon and you get deficient in butyric acid. which modulates tons of stuff in the body, butyric acid is antifungal itself. it is HDAC, and gaba agonist.


Interesting you mention that @Helen

I started to suffer from seborrhea dermatitis (Malassezia fungus) not long after PAS, and it happens that after implementing the Taurine, TUDCA, glycine things, I also started to eat 2/3spoons every other day of Mustard (purposedly has HDAC inhibition properties, probably contains butyric acid) and definitely noticed improvements in seborrhea to the point that it barely bothers me anymore today.

Interesting to note that a year ago, a cup of coffee would have lead to a breakout in seborrhea, and hair loss. Today it's a completely different effect.

Not everyone on the PFS/PAS suffers from seborrhea but it's often reported indeed.



It's always difficult to pinpoint what's helping but there's no doubt that the liver supplements, coffee and possibly Mustard, added a good 15-20% to my recovery %. There are ups and downs but my baseline is higher than ever.
 

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This is what I have been thinking for a while now. I think all of us have some kind of organ dysfunction and for most, or all of us it involves the liver.

This is why CD's protocol works: fasting, low carb, most of the herbs are great for the liver, promotes healthy living, and Randro lowers cholesterol (I think). @Boris if I remember right didn't you write and article stating that Randro was originally used to lower cholesterol.

Tei is the same. It uses nutritional balancing to put the body back into a healthy state.

The reason we are in this mess is drugs, infections, heavy metals, diet, ect...

Something I am still confused on is why don't liver cleanses fix this faster. I have had no luck with them. I have done two in the past and I feel like they make things worse. I will say in the middle of my last cleanse I had rock hard erections, full ejaculation, and random boners, but still had insomnia and no brain dick connection at the time. This is the protocol I was using Surprisingly Simple Liver Cleanse

It included these supps Liver Cleanse Kit

A lot of stones came out but felt even worse afterwards.

Yeah I did but my article was taken down though. That is what androsterone was originally developed before back in 1960s or so. It lowers cholesterol more effectively than statins actually.