FINASTERIDE SIGNIFICANTLY UPREGULATES ANDROGEN RECEPTOR in this study ( PROTOCOLS and discussions for PFS)

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@Troy what brand of aminos u took/take, how much per dose, how much per day and how many doses per day, do u take it on empty stomach or mixed in food or right after food? could u please detail ur exact protocol?

@Helen i thought u are anti-supplements... for potassium, minerals and aminos why u did not juice potassium rich veggies(potassium source) and ate fish(amino and mineral source)? food is not enough, would not work??
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I took mine in the form of hydrolysed whey protein isolate. Make sure it is hydrolysed and isolate as that way you actually get the aminos. Ordinary whey will probably be decent but I know that this gives you the most.

I used this brand:

HP 100 NANO Peptide Extract Protein | ASN

In terms of how I took it, I mixed it up a bit. Tried one scoop morning with potassium and then another scoop at night night potassium.

Or two scoops morning with potassium, none at time. Two scoops morning with potassium, half scoop at night with potassium.

In retrospect, most benefits probably came with the higher doses of both aminos and potassium.

But work up slowly. Even I over did it at the end.

Also @Helen one other symptom I got from doing the aminos plus potassium was weak legs. Like they were numb almost.
 
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tanedout said:
They don't include amino's as specific supplements, but they do include amino's to be obtained from diet. Here is a section of my hair test recommendations;
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I know. I am stuffing myself with eggs, meat and whey just to get it in plenty. It’s just less clear than when you take supplements with actual specifics.

I’d still think ARL plus parts of the electrolyte protocol works best (amino’s, B’s, etc), but Helen feels we shouldn’t add anything.
 
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Troy said:
I took mine in the form of hydrolysed whey protein isolate. Make sure it is hydrolysed and isolate as that way you actually get the aminos. Ordinary whey will probably be decent but I know that this gives you the most.

I used this brand:

HP 100 NANO Peptide Extract Protein | ASN

In terms of how I took it, I mixed it up a bit. Tried one scoop morning with potassium and then another scoop at night night potassium.

Or two scoops morning with potassium, none at time. Two scoops morning with potassium, half scoop at night with potassium.

In retrospect, most benefits probably came with the higher doses of both aminos and potassium.

But work up slowly. Even I over did it at the end.

Also @Helen one other symptom I got from doing the aminos plus potassium was weak legs. Like they were numb almost.
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I do fucking have always and always constant numb legs, so weak, so painful and I still do not understand what it is related to... @Helen
@Troy do you have any issue related to stomach? Cause I do have mostly the pain as I do have pain at my stomach as well and undegested food.
 
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Helen said:
@IHateFin

You know what I just read, I read that ozone can break up the protein structures in AR receptor. and downregulate the shit out of it.


this is why I take bath with ozone, I put a machine right into my water and breathe ozone while taking a bath. it causes crazy oxidative stress, I even get hemolysis from it, meaning the red blood cells break down and get yellow . but then after doing this for 3-4 days in a row, you take B vitamins, and orange juice. and boom I get so androgenic, my muscles get very tight, very strong.

Now it makes sense why))
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@Helen I did roughly 30 direct IV ozone injections in 40 days to fight lyme bugs and interestingly my libido shot up within the first week, I've done other froms of ozone like MAH and even EBOO ozone (even bought the machine) which is like ozone dialysis. But that actually lowered my libido

Something about DIV ozone that hits the tissues in a massive way and causes a major cascade to deal with the ROS, it was by far the best treatment to induce a snap back.. unfortunately , after the 4 week I developed lung irritation From the reverse aspiration and pulmonary embolisms , which the DIV caused and had to stop and go on 30 days of zithromycin.

The zithro also gave me massive libido, this 1 -2 punch was without a doubt the best I felt in years (despite the lung infection ) I was waking up STIFF everyday for 4 months and wanted to fuck anything that moved. I almost literally declared myself cured to prefin levels

By the 4 th to 5th month of stopping slowly slipped back to pfs baseline. Ive been wanting to try again but the pulmonary embolisms kind of worry me..

but my nurse and Dr mentioned they had never seen this in their other patients doing DIV.. I was born with weak lungs though, had pneumonia out of the womb twice back to back

Thw semi healing was so profound I may say fuckit though, since I have the machine to make my own ozone and all the syringes I need. HIV guys self administer DIV ozone all the time

Sidenote: my potassium along with sodium are really high on arl hair test, would massive doses of potassium not be good for me?

Thanks
 
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wuf said:
I do fucking have always and always constant numb legs, so weak, so painful and I still do not understand what it is related to... @Helen
@Troy do you have any issue related to stomach? Cause I do have mostly the pain as I do have pain at my stomach as well and undegested food.
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I used to get stomach pains yeah but not too much any more.
 
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Troy said:
I took mine in the form of hydrolysed whey protein isolate. Make sure it is hydrolysed and isolate as that way you actually get the aminos. Ordinary whey will probably be decent but I know that this gives you the most.

I used this brand:

HP 100 NANO Peptide Extract Protein | ASN

In terms of how I took it, I mixed it up a bit. Tried one scoop morning with potassium and then another scoop at night night potassium.

Or two scoops morning with potassium, none at time. Two scoops morning with potassium, half scoop at night with potassium.

In retrospect, most benefits probably came with the higher doses of both aminos and potassium.

But work up slowly. Even I over did it at the end.

Also @Helen one other symptom I got from doing the aminos plus potassium was weak legs. Like they were numb almost.
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What kind of improvements are you having (sexual-energy-phisical....) since you quitted that stuff?
 
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wuf said:
What kind of improvements are you having (sexual-energy-phisical....) since you quitted that stuff?
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My body is pretty sensitive to hormones so I know when things are off and when they are improving.

Something is definitely happening hormonally. Like things are trying to switch on.
 
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Ocguy said:
@Helen I did roughly 30 direct IV ozone injections in 40 days to fight lyme bugs and interestingly my libido shot up within the first week, I've done other froms of ozone like MAH and even EBOO ozone (even bought the machine) which is like ozone dialysis. But that actually lowered my libido

Something about DIV ozone that hits the tissues in a massive way and causes a major cascade to deal with the ROS, it was by far the best treatment to induce a snap back.. unfortunately , after the 4 week I developed lung irritation From the reverse aspiration and pulmonary embolisms , which the DIV caused and had to stop and go on 30 days of zithromycin.

The zithro also gave me massive libido, this 1 -2 punch was without a doubt the best I felt in years (despite the lung infection ) I was waking up STIFF everyday for 4 months and wanted to fuck anything that moved. I almost literally declared myself cured to prefin levels

By the 4 th to 5th month of stopping slowly slipped back to pfs baseline. Ive been wanting to try again but the pulmonary embolisms kind of worry me..

but my nurse and Dr mentioned they had never seen this in their other patients doing DIV.. I was born with weak lungs though, had pneumonia out of the womb twice back to back

Thw semi healing was so profound I may say fuckit though, since I have the machine to make my own ozone and all the syringes I need. HIV guys self administer DIV ozone all the time

Sidenote: my potassium along with sodium are really high on arl hair test, would massive doses of potassium not be good for me?

Thanks
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You took acithromycine an AB and got crazy libido? It seems AS posted several months ago that we need to analyse possible coexisting diseases and treat them first AS lyme, EBV, morbus, leaky gut, parasites, mycoplasma etc.
There is a high Ozon IV therapy with heparine. If you can get this, you need doing it just once a week. Blood is being enriched with ozone and reinfused, ten times the whole process. This is the gold standard. Can you check if it is available in your country?
 
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the low test idea to force myself into a low T & hence upregulation of receptors, was against other people’s recommendations... I’m not going to argue that point but not everyone was on board with the concept but it has started to show promise. I’ll describe in a separate log but the concept was from this article Helen pointed out. I started a while ago but didn’t log because I don’t want to lead anyone on. I now wish I posted more info but I will describe 100% what I’ve done.

It’s promising but takes a ton of patience.
 
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Troy said:
So my approach was to lower cortisol with aminos and then to take potassium at this same time to get my potassium levels up.

I built up slowly on the potassium starting at about 100mg, working my way up to 2000mg per day (split in two doses). The more I took, the better I felt but then I started getting a racing heart, electric shocks in my body, panic attacks, unable to breathe. Basically thought I was going to die.

So I stopped everything. Felt shocking the first week or so after stopping. At about 3 to 4 weeks off, I started noticing big improvements. Am improving each day since.

When I stabilise and stop improving, I will do this method again. Just considering whether I add in magnesium and b1, or all of the b vitamins in addition to b1. Probably leaning to just b1 at the moment to kick start nadph. What do you reckon @Helen
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Would increasing sodium intake help you stabilize faster? Like adding sea salt to all your meals or something? @Helen
 
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Troy said:
I've had enormous improvement 4 weeks after stopping a protocol of aminos + potassium chloride. I got all the aminos including histidine, cysteine and arginine. I improved the more potassium chloride I added in.

Improvements havent really started to kick in until about 3.5 to 4 weeks post stopping the protocol.
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What was your highest amount of pochl and did you take it several times a day or once a day (when?) THX for your help.
 
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I was taking in a shit load of potassium from coconut water and juices during my July fast.

Sunlight, salt water swimming. All this while blocking cortisol while fasting. Libido was good during the fast.

After the fast I was screwing myself up with betaken HCL. Now about a week post TEI (which I used for 12 days) I’m really getting libido. Had to fap this morning as I was experiencing bad chemical depression (chelation of mercury) and aggression.

I’m feeling aggression lately I haven’t felt since the late 2000s. I admit it, I was so frustrated this morning I punched a hole in the wall when I couldn’t find my keys.

Good things are happening to me sexually like really good. But I’m battling hard to put the mental stuff away. That comes with getting rid of some sort of combo of Mycoplasma, mercury, ammonia, calcium.
 
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Helen said:
the immune system is your potassium system, so anything you do the immune system will be thru potassium regulation.

This is why cortisol = immune supressive.

So if AR is upregulated= GR is upregulated= suppressed immune system. YOu never get sick

Immune system = either your NADPH oxidase or nitric oxide system.

since nitric oxide is the duaretic. Then without potassium. you cant have nitric oxide.

and thus in low potassium environment NADPH oxidase is working. And what is does it breaks down your NADPH to make ROS.

This is why in low potassium environment = no androgens, since NADPH makes androgens.


So PFS is basically potassium wasting disorder, since cortisol singlaing is upregulated.
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This is why pre-pfs I did so well with increasing cortisol levels.

I had major infection (mycoplasma) that would be lowered with increasing cortisol. I didn’t know this at the time obviously but looking back it all makes sense.
 
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