Grey hair issue, will this supp throw off mineral balancing?

[Admiral]

what are your hormones values?

Last check just a week ago:

Testosteron 12.4 (9-30)
Estrogen 0.3 (0.3-0.9)
Progesteron 1.5 (0.2-0.5)
THS 2.4
Cortisol 45 (>40)

Didn't test LH, DHEA or DHT this time around, but both are always on the lower end.

So all low except prog, which in the past was often low as well.

 

[Helen]

Last check just a week ago:

Testosteron 12.4 (9-30)
Estrogen 0.3 (0.3-0.9)
Progesteron 1.5 (0.2-0.5)
THS 2.4
Cortisol 45 (>40)

Didn't test LH, DHEA or DHT this time around, but both are always on the lower end.

So all low except prog, which in the past was often low as well.

yes, but you are testing this taking ARL, and taking SBF.


This looks like low thyroid. to me. I wonder what your next hairtest will be.


Usually fast oxidizers have high testosterone. I think you fucked up your hairtest with aminos and all other things that you added to the ARL program

It is unusual for a fast oxidizer to have low hormones.

You are taking copper now. this is suppressing your hormones. So you need to test while not on the program.

You are taking mineral way over RDA. it is silly to measure hormones while you are taking these.

You need to follow the program.

I have never seen anyone to go from slow oxidizer to fast oxidizer like you did. YOu did not follow the program. you added stuff, and this screwed up the program and I think your second hairtest was not correct.

 

[Admiral]

yes, but you are testing this taking ARL, and taking SBF.


This looks like low thyroid. to me. I wonder what your next hairtest will be.


Usually fast oxidizers have high testosterone. I think you fucked up your hairtest with aminos and all other things that you added to the ARL program

It is unusual for a fast oxidizer to have low hormones.

You are taking copper now. this is suppressing your hormones. So you need to test while not on the program.

I am a slow oxidizer. I am just a temporarily fast one due to the fast swift of my first cycle and perhaps my 21 day fast.

I didn't really add all that much on the cycle, though. I only take amino's, electrolytes and B's in between, and even then nothing overboard. I think my hair test is fairly accurate.

That said, I tested my hormones many times before, way before I was on any type of ARL/TEI and they've always been this low since I tested for it about 5 years into PFS. Hence I was pissed my hormones didn't even change a single bit when I am following a strict ARL lifestyle for 5 months.

I've taking thyroid hormones in the past. Same as T and adrenal hormones. They all did jack squat. There's something that prevents them from working.

 

[Helen]

I am a slow oxidizer. I am just a temporarily fast one due to the fast swift of my first cycle and perhaps my 21 day fast.

I didn't really add all that much on the cycle, though. I only take amino's, electrolytes and B's in between, and even then nothing overboard. I think my hair test is fairly accurate.

That said, I tested my hormones many times before, way before I was on any type of ARL/TEI and they've always been this low since I tested for it about 5 years into PFS. Hence I was pissed my hormones didn't even change a single bit when I am following a strict ARL lifestyle for 5 months.

I've taking thyroid hormones in the past. Same as T and adrenal hormones. They all did jack squat. There's something that prevents them from working.

YOu cant take stuff with the ARL program no aminos, electrolytes and Bs LOL They dont read your hair correctly, do you understand it . They want to see how you absorb electrolytes from food.


If you are slow oxidizer, they should not feed you copper according to your program.

This is what I am saying, if you are a slow oxidizer but you took histidine or hydrogen, or any other stuff that did something to change you into fast.

They read you hairtest not correctly and gave you fast oxidizer program with copper.

 

[Helen]

@Admiral Do you understand that sometimes it takes ARL 2 rounds just to see your real balance.

It is very crucial when you on ARL , take nothing besides ARL and their diet. usually people come to ARL already taking stuff, and their original hairtests are usuallly all wrong , so it takes ARL 2 rounds just to see your real body chemistry.

but if people keep taking stuff with ARL, ARL will never see your body chemistry.

 

[Admiral]

YOu cant take stuff with the ARL program no aminos, electrolytes and Bs LOL They dont read your hair correctly, do you understand it . They want to see how you absorb electrolytes from food.


If you are slow oxidizer, they should not feed you copper according to your program.

This is what I am saying, if you are a slow oxidizer but you took histidine or hydrogen, or any other stuff that did something to change you into fast.

They read you hairtest not correctly and gave you fast oxidizer program with copper.

Alright, I'll quit the electrolyte protocol in between cycles. Didn't think it would skew the outcome that much, but I'll hear ya.

That said, I am still looking into ways of improving my dead hormones.

 

[HerrFisch]

@Helen

I think arl gives slow oxidizer copper as well.

 

[Helen]

Alright, I'll quit the electrolyte protocol in between cycles. Didn't think it would skew the outcome that much, but I'll hear ya.

That said, I am still looking into ways of improving my dead hormones.

My testosterone tripled on minerals. You need to understand that test goes up with metabolism. the higher metabolism , the higher need for estrogen.

This is why LH goes up with the rise of metabolism.

Taking testosterone cant increase testosterone.

Bottom line. The higher metabolism the higher need for estrogen, the higher LH goes. and test.

Low metabolism no need for estrogen. so LH goes down and all hormones are low, since they are not needed.

 

[Slayo]

YOu cant take stuff with the ARL program no aminos, electrolytes and Bs LOL They dont read your hair correctly, do you understand it . They want to see how you absorb electrolytes from food.


If you are slow oxidizer, they should not feed you copper according to your program.

This is what I am saying, if you are a slow oxidizer but you took histidine or hydrogen, or any other stuff that did something to change you into fast.

They read you hairtest not correctly and gave you fast oxidizer program with copper.

I don't think this is accurate.
I can't live without electrolytes, if i don't take sodium and potassium (especially sodium) daily i have to go to the er every day to get an iv saline.
And i don't think either that a BALANCED amino complex will screw things, usually people have low systemic proteins due to years of low hcl, so an amino complex will just help.
But yes i agree that adding b vitamins will screw the test

 

[Helen]

I don't think this is accurate.
I can't live without electrolytes, if i don't take sodium and potassium (especially sodium) daily i have to go to the er every day to get an iv saline.
And i don't think either that a BALANCED amino complex will screw things, usually people have low systemic proteins due to years of low hcl, so an amino complex will just help.
But yes i agree that adding b vitamins will screw the test

He was taking separate amino acids. LIke histidine etc. I am talking about ARL and TEI> they give tons of glandulars to support needed amino acids . If it is enough of not I dont know.


Electrolytes protocol has all electrolytes. and all amino acids. Electrolytes protocol talks about low systemic proteins .




in slow oxidation body is losing calcium and magnesium, so the minute oxidation rate goes up person needs those immediately

I think electrolytes protocol is for all oxidations.

This is why in calcium shell, when calcium and magnesium are really high. ARL gives double calcium and magnesium . since people have zero those minerals in their cells. And the minute they start up their oxidation, lack of magnesium and calcium stop the speed up. since magnesium is needed to activate all Bs, and calcium is needed to process sugar.

Usually slow oxidizer retains sodium in the cell. And starts losing sodium the minute he is able to produce adrenaline.

This is why if slow oxidizer goes into the sea, just retains tons of water. since sodium concentration in the cell is big.

I see slow oxidizers balloon like crazy in water.

So calcium for slow oxidizers is questionable at first. Some like ARL give it right off the bat, and TEI does not.

I see some people complain about calcium def symptoms like teeth enamel weakness , I had that personally. on TEI.


Slow oxidizers are low in delivery of oxygen into the cell. This happens, because of actual hemoglobin problems. glutathione problems, or sugar metabolism problems.

No oxygen no oxidation. Carbs become lactic acid.

 

[Slayo]

He was taking separate amino acids. LIke histidine etc.

Electrolytes protocol has all electrolytes. in slow oxidation body is losing calcium and magnesium, so the minute oxidation rate goes up person needs those immediately

This is why in calcium shell, when calcium and magnesium are really high. ARL gives double calcium and magnesium . since people have zero those minerals in their cells. And the minute they start up their oxidation, lack of magnesium and calcium stop the speed up.

Usually slow oxidizer retains sodium in the cell. And starts losing sodium the minute he is able to produce adrenaline.

This is why if slow oxidizer goes into the sea, just retains tons of water. since sodium concentration in the cell is big.

Tei does the opposite, no calcium and magnesium, so you can read it in the other way: giving calcium and magnesium will prevent the metabolism to speed up, and i think it is the right way to interpret it.
Think about it, slow oxidisers have biounavailable calcium and magnesium, so they have high calcium and magnesium and low ionized calcium and magnesium, so giving calcium and magnesium to slow oxi will just increase calcium and magnesium but not the ionized ones.
If you don't give anything the natural speeding up of the metabolism, due to the increase in sodium and potassium, will increase the ionized amount of calcium and magnesium, so now you have calcium andand magnesium working again.
So actually the real solution to increase bioavailable calcium and mahnesium in slow oxi is to not take calcium and magnesium

 

[Slayo]

In slow oxidation sodium goes in to the cell, but i don't understand how it can allow to water retention, due to the fact that they have low sodium, even if it goes all in the cells you still have very little, plus it is all used up to produce adrenaline since you miss all the other nutrients or they are biounavailable (methionine, copper, manganese, etc), once u fix the deficiencies u see sodium going up because you are finally using up less of it

 

[Helen]

In slow oxidation sodium goes in to the cell, but i don't understand how it can allow to water retention, due to the fact that they have low sodium, even if it goes all in the cells you still have very little, plus it is all used up to produce adrenaline since you miss all the other nutrients or they are biounavailable (methionine, copper, manganese, etc), once u fix the deficiencies u see sodium going up because you are finally using up less of it

you dont have low sodium in slow oxidation, you have low adrenaline and the cell full of sodium.

Once you increase your B vitamins and andrenaline, you start losing sodium from the cell. Sodium substitutes adrenaline.

 

[Nina]

you dont have low sodium in slow oxidation, you have low adrenaline and the cell full of sodium.

Once you increase your B vitamins and andrenaline, you start losing sodium from the cell. Sodium substitutes adrenaline.

Are b vits the only way to increase adrenaline?

 

[Helen]

Tei does the opposite, no calcium and magnesium, so you can read it in the other way: giving calcium and magnesium will prevent the metabolism to speed up, and i think it is the right way to interpret it.
Think about it, slow oxidisers have biounavailable calcium and magnesium, so they have high calcium and magnesium and low ionized calcium and magnesium, so giving calcium and magnesium to slow oxi will just increase calcium and magnesium but not the ionized ones.
If you don't give anything the natural speeding up of the metabolism, due to the increase in sodium and potassium, will increase the ionized amount of calcium and magnesium, so now you have calcium andand magnesium working again.
So actually the real solution to increase bioavailable calcium and mahnesium in slow oxi is to not take calcium and magnesium

This is why on TEI program people lose all their enamel from their teeth at first., I did. calcium thing is questionable. In slow oxidiation you dont have any calcium. it is digestion is low and excretion is high. Since people are missing 450p enzymes for vitamin D

I was against calcium for slow oxidizers at first, But it is needed to speed up. slow oxidizers are in alkalosis. since they produce zero Co2.

 

[Slayo]

you dont have low sodium in slow oxidation, you have low adrenaline and the cell full of sodium.

Once you increase your B vitamins and andrenaline, you start losing sodium from the cell. Sodium substitutes adrenaline.

I haven't found references for your "sodium makes adrenaline more sensitive" i just found that sodium stimulates production of adrenaline, so please post reference for your steatment.

If i had high sodium in the cells i would have high blood pressure, but i don't

 

[Helen]

I haven't found references for your "sodium makes adrenaline more sensitive" i just found that sodium stimulates production of adrenaline, so please post reference for your steatment.

If i had high sodium in the cells i would have high blood pressure, but i don't

you have high blood pressure when you have high sodium in the vein, not the cell

Slow oxidizers have low sodium in the vein.

high sodium cell content, makes slow oxidizer balloon in the water. Since that salt attracts water into the cell.

 

[MNK99]

YOu cant take stuff with the ARL program no aminos, electrolytes and Bs LOL They dont read your hair correctly, do you understand it . They want to see how you absorb electrolytes from food.
They read you hairtest not correctly and gave you fast oxidizer program with copper.

-TEI FINE with INHALERS and CITOCOLINE?? I need to fucking breathe... and I need the other shyt to focus/and keep mood decent. And an occasional Lithium Orotate (Catherine said it's fine... as needed, but eventually taper off ideally.... but "if you feel yourself going off the rails, obv take what helps."\\
-I'll mention to her Choline maybe... maybe not, Not sure if I did before... same as other things tho, it's an addition. Not everyday in a row, and at a low dose.
-That's in lieu of daily coffee, workout stuff (during pfs... usually I just had coffee for the most part), and in lieu of Stimulants for a bit (I ran out, have no doctor anyways).
-I will when I move and I can get one here (but it annoys me). ALthough an ADHD doc or psychiatrist is certainly easier to get than someone who believes in PFS, lol...
-still a lot of stupid questions would be asked of me.

Keep in mind pretty healthy physically, appearing... Besides wheezing like 60/80 days (forest fires), and insomnia. ANd I guess hypo/ rage etc.

-BTW: I checkmarked 6 conditions to treat (and ranked them by priority), outside of PFS. ADHD Mania Anxiety Depression Insomnia Asthma something like that.
-And I wrote in the Note at the bottom that PFS is this percentage gone, and this other stuff is chronic.
-I'll use Flovent or Zenhale Maintenance Inhalers everyday, and Rescue inhaler as needed less... even if it means working out less -- bc I've taken them preworkout like 15yrs.
-since childhood, even longer (didn't workout then though).

 

[Slayo]

This is why on TEI program people lose all their enamel from their teeth at first., I did. calcium thing is questionable. In slow oxidiation you dont have any calcium. it is digestion is low and excretion is high. Since people are missing 450p enzymes for vitamin D

I was against calcium for slow oxidizers at first, But it is needed to speed up. slow oxidizers are in alkalosis. since they produce zero Co2.

Man you can say that, it's okay, but you can read it the other way, and we have no way to understand which one is true, but i do think my interpretation makes more sense.

I read in this forum a link to a thread where a guy said ARL programm with all that calcium wasn't able to improve the 4 lows, while TEI yes, all that calcium was just stopping his metabolism.

If we apply your way of thinking it means we basically should give everything to slow oxi, like copper and iron since the moment you speed up you will need them as they are bioumavailable, and honestly i don't think giving everything is the solution.

 

[Helen]

Man you can say that, it's okay, but you can read it the other way, and we have no way to understand which one is true, but i do think my interpretation makes more sense.

I read in this forum a link to a thread where a guy said ARL programm with all that calcium wasn't able to improve the 4 lows, while TEI yes, all that calcium was just stopping his metabolism.

If we apply your way of thinking it means we basically should give everything to slow oxi, like copper and iron since the moment you speed up you will need them as they are bioumavailable, and honestly i don't think giving everything is the solution.

You need to understand the diff between the macro and micro elements.

NIles was 4 lows ARL with huge calcium and magnesium made him a fast oxidizer in 3 weeks . Just look at his thread.

4 lows is a lactic acidosis. ARL gives calcium and magnesium since the person is losing his bone )) There is extra need to calcium in 4 lows, since it is acidosis, and ionized calcium is being used like crazy. in acidosis ionized calcium is high.


in slow oxidation, there is very little calcium digestion. and huge calcium loss. Same as copper. Ionized calcium is low, and total calcium is low. Since there is little CO2.

Some people retain that copper. some people dont. that is why you see it low on the hairtest. and sometimes you see it high.

So in low cases. yes, I found people need that copper much faster.

This is what Watson wrote in his original theory of nutritional balancing.

He actually fed copper and iron to slow oxidizers along with manganese, magnesium and potassium and B vitamins.

This is why I said in people with low copper on the hairtest, chelating copper usually does not go good. since their body works correctly and it killed copper absorption to zero in slow metabolism. so the person does not have extra copper.

And some people have bad control in digestion and retain copper even in slow metabolism. and this causes high copper on the hairtest. And those people do good on copper chelation.