Hair loss theory

[JDD]

I've been taking malic acid and I seem to be growing new hairs and my hair is nice and soft; however, these new hairs seem like they pull out easily. Is this because they are new and don't have a strong root system or is there likely still some other issue?

 

[TubZy]

I've been taking malic acid and I seem to be growing new hairs and my hair is nice and soft; however, these new hairs seem like they pull out easily. Is this because they are new and don't have a strong root system or is there likely still some other issue?

you should try applying it topically, it should work way better for that purpose

 

[HerrFisch]

I noticed that there are people that are going grey very early on but keep their hair till they get old. And somehow a lot of them have hemochromatosis.
And people who are losing hair early on, seem to not have any problems with getting grey early.

So Iron vs Copper toxicitiy?

 

[Ivy]

I noticed that there are people that are going grey very early on but keep their hair till they get old. And somehow a lot of them have hemochromatosis.
And people who are losing hair early on, seem to not have any problems with getting grey early.

So Iron vs Copper toxicitiy?

I'm one of these people, a female who started balding early (+-16). I'm 37 and I have, at most, 3 or 4 white hairs. My hair is very dark, but extremely photosensitive and prone to acquire reddish tones. Also, it reacts to the water running on rusty pipes in my house, and it improves greatly if I rinse it with drinking water. My hair grows at fast pace, but it is poorly distributed and sheds terribly.

 

[HerrFisch]

Also, it reacts to the water running on rusty pipes in my house, and it improves greatly if I rinse it with drinking water.

Ever looked for metals in your tap water? Or do you know what kind of water pipes you have?

 

[Aflac94]

My house has copper pipes. I’m high copper on hair test.

I don’t think I can stop showering though seems important

 

[Ivy]

Ever looked for metals in your tap water? Or do you know what kind of water pipes you have?

The house was built in the 60s, I suspect the standard piping was copper. I'm saving for a Berkey filter...

 

[TubZy]

I've been taking malic acid and I seem to be growing new hairs and my hair is nice and soft; however, these new hairs seem like they pull out easily. Is this because they are new and don't have a strong root system or is there likely still some other issue?

Any update?

 

[JDD]

Any update?

No, no update. It is both exciting yet frustrating, my hair is very soft and shiny now and I’ve had some ground around the temples fill in but the it still seems to be shedding. I’ve havent really been doing topical malic acid to be fair other than a few times here and there, but I’ve seemed to find topicals never really do much.

 

[TubZy]

No, no update. It is both exciting yet frustrating, my hair is very soft and shiny now and I’ve had some ground around the temples fill in but the it still seems to be shedding. I’ve havent really been doing topical malic acid to be fair other than a few times here and there, but I’ve seemed to find topicals never really do much.

That's good to hear if that is only from oral malic acid, maybe you should increasing the dose, see if the benefits go up an ld shedding completely stops.

 

[JDD]

Yeah I was gonna try that but wasn’t sure if you could do too much malic acid? I’m probably taking 1-2g now

 

[IHateFin]

 

[HerrFisch]

@Helen
is protein wasting hair loss from too low cortisol in fast metabolism with high potassium?

 

[Helen]

@Helen
is protein wasting hair loss from too low cortisol in fast metabolism with high potassium?

cortisol usually goes up with potassium.

I think hairloss is from too high aldosterone action, which causes sodium retention which raises thyroid without having much potassium. this then raises progesterone to compensate.

this is the most common imbalance that I see. And since potassium is low but thyroid is high, cortisol is low in fast metabolism

On the hairtest this looks like fast oxidation. with high sodium potassium ratio.

May be those people could benefit from crazy sodium loading.

 

[vicecaz]

@Helen
Would it be wise for those that sometimes supplement with Licorice root to load on sodium? since the herb apparently increase sodium retention

 

[brix]

cortisol usually goes up with potassium.

I think hairloss is from too high aldosterone action, which causes sodium retention which raises thyroid without having much potassium. this then raises progesterone to compensate.

this is the most common imbalance that I see. And since potassium is low but thyroid is high, cortisol is low in fast metabolism

On the hairtest this looks like fast oxidation. with high sodium potassium ratio.

May be those people could benefit from crazy sodium loading.

What do you think is the case for the other fast oxidizers with low Na/K?

 

[Helen]

What do you think is the case for the other fast oxidizers with low Na/K?

Probably has to do with calcium metabolism. If sodium is low, then there is inability to produce enough aldosterone and adrenaline. And body has to work only on cortisol which can cause hair thinning also.

So you have to look at copper metabolism, , calcium metabolism, plus vitamin C and E metabolism.

also you should try to test potassium in blood. Hyperthyroidism could cause hypokalemia.

 

[brix]

Probably has to do with calcium metabolism. If sodium is low, then there is inability to produce enough aldosterone and adrenaline. And body has to work only on cortisol which can cause hair thinning also.


So you have to look at copper metabolism, , calcium metabolism, plus vitamin C and E metabolism.

also you should try to test potassium in blood. Hyperthyroidism could cause hypokalemia.

My potassium in blood is very bottom of range. Calcium is high. Here’s my panel.

 

[Helen]

My potassium in blood is very bottom of range. Calcium is high. Here’s my panel. View attachment 1050

exactly , so I read your chemistry correctly you see.

You have fast thyroid. you do good on copper, calcium potassium magnesium

 

[tallglass13]

@Helen, So DHT blockers like fin, basically lower Aldosterone, via blocking DHT Right? so less volume expansion, more potassium