Haircolor - Iron & Copper connection

[Kjbigman]

I have a strong feeling I am toxic in something, but why is it that I am also getting these 'deficiency' signs? Like, low copper (in urine, ceruloplasmin, etc) numbers and low ferritin... Is it possible to be iron toxic w/ relatively low ferritin? I could very well be toxic in copper somewhere, however, and my body just can't utilize whatever copper I ingest so it stores it in the brain or eyes or liver.

Tonight I had chocolate (which I always crave but try to avoid due to this issue) to see what would happen. Immediately I got cold hands, and crazily creative thinking. Almost an adrenaline surge. I assume it is due to copper intake. But assuming these symptoms were caused by ingestion of copper, that would mean that my copper was at least to some extent being used, right?

I want to go on zinc/manganese but without having taken a hair test I am quite reluctant. I have zinc tablets here but no manganese...is manganese that important or can I get that from food?

 

[Helen]

I have a strong feeling I am toxic in something, but why is it that I am also getting these 'deficiency' signs? Like, low copper (in urine, ceruloplasmin, etc) numbers and low ferritin... Is it possible to be iron toxic w/ relatively low ferritin? I could very well be toxic in copper somewhere, however, and my body just can't utilize whatever copper I ingest so it stores it in the brain or eyes or liver.

Tonight I had chocolate (which I always crave but try to avoid due to this issue) to see what would happen. Immediately I got cold hands, and crazily creative thinking. Almost an adrenaline surge. I assume it is due to copper intake. But assuming these symptoms were caused by ingestion of copper, that would mean that my copper was at least to some extent being used, right?

I want to go on zinc/manganese but without having taken a hair test I am quite reluctant. I have zinc tablets here but no manganese...is manganese that important or can I get that from food?

I think it is best for you to see what finasteride is doing . what if it is blocking progesterone. Or it is blocking estradiol. It could have made estradiol not sensitive as an example.

It would be great for you to test hormones, and we will see exactly what it is doing.

 

[opiath]

Nice post @HerrFisch

I agree zinc/manganese should be the core focus of most people with copper problems.
I was low in both of them but couldn't take any zinc until my manganese levels got up.
One is crucial for the other.

At least in my case when I eat a pineapple or take manganese my acetylcholine goes up and my breathing slows down.
This increase CO2 levels throughout the body and PH goes down.
If I scratch myself somewhere there is redness immediately since body increases sodium to improve ventilation.
Now zinc is needed to buffer the low PH with the CA enzyme.
I take in some zinc but PH goes up too fast since manganese levels weren't enough to begin with.
If I scratch myself now there is no redness at all.
Body needs manganese again.

This is a cycle that keeps occurring when both of zinc and manganese are very low.
Until they both go up to stable levels digestion/antioxidation is not very good and copper/iron cannot be used very well.