Aflac94

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@Helen if you are really in a crash I know you will fix yourself eventually with all the tools you have outlined here hormonal/mineral routes. The bleeding doesn’t sound typical of crash though, if that doesn’t stop or presssure doesn’t come down maybe visit a doctor, but I guess you know more than they do anyway so I don’t know about this suggestion. Still I think you will judge if you need other help.

Maybe get as many tests as you can while in crash state, (once it’s no longer an emergency) to get data, hair test, hormones, bloods, urine, aminos, progesterone, etc.

Do you feel better on B1/B2, all the stuff you would have us try, etc.
 

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Only @Helen would give herself PFS for a third time in the name of science. Hang in there.
 

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-I actually thought that I hated ashwagandha because IME, it made mood swings up and down. And that was bad for anxiety, anger, depression.
-But, it is in my PCT (K1ngsblood) and that helps a lot, post R-andro/4-andro. I feel healthier on PCT (also eat less, and can cut, versus even cutting on R-Andro/4-Andro, I tend to gain weight - some muscle sure, but also water retention). That doesn't sound like a big deal, but water retention drives me crazy. Usually, lean, same waist without working out and just eating right, so what the hell. It's estrogen, etc... raised Test from 4-andro. Took small doses this time of each and ran it shorter.
-Also Kingsblood has some antiprolactin stuff.
-Anyways, I really though ashwagandha was bad for my mood and everything else, but it seems fine in this formulation -- but maybe that's just PFS being worked out.
-Maybe, straight ashwagandha would still be dangerous for me (not that dangerous, because I would only be on it like 1-2 days, so I'd quit), but still.
 
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I think @Helen will recover (i.e. he took fin again as we he going to get a hair test after he took it). On the plus side, I think we will have some newer/accurate and informative research when he does as well.

Wait so this wasn't a joke?
 

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1st potential reality:
That's the REAL joke.
EVEN I'M slightly mindfucked right now. ME! I mindfuck all... now I'm confused a little. I'm going away to get some sunlight/shower and get rid of my high.
-5.46pm, high gone enough. Citocholine, etc... may as well workout - AT NITE WHEN there's not a bunch of babies around.
-Some kids show respect, talk to me (I don't want to), but then some kids talk shyt...
-Half my bones in my left hand feel broken/dislocated, so no more dips and such. Did like 95 yesterday (straight)....
-Running low on asthma medn too -- I refuse to call and wait at the pharmacy like a loser. Why can't I just pay a dealer?????
-EITHER STUDY AND TRADE / GET WORK DONE 4am - 12pm, sleep.... OR get all workout stuff done nite, stay up till 5-6am and then shutup and sleep. Or something....

-Rec centers/ public gyms suck.
-ALTHOUGH there is a library there....
-study and then go workout = lose everything. I'll literally lose everything that's on me if I do that. Or feel like I am.


EDIT- not a joke realized, 2nd potential reality:
-AH FUCK!!
-Not a joke?
-Sorry didn't mean to be a douche with my jokey comments. Fk.
-get better Helen. You're a good person.
-We do need you healthy...
-Also scary to me, considering I used effexor and later fin... and never ever ever want to be depressed like that again. I cannot rebuild my life nor go thru suicidal depression nor be forced to move like a country or many away again.... can't do it man.
-You're smart, kind of like me in some ways (as in some of the flight of ideas stuff). Finance, know a lot about a ton of things. People doubt you, but you attract them.
-And a lot of other things. Obviously you know way more about a lot of this health / hormonal stuff than me.
-So if you're older than me... and still can harm yourself by taking such a drug again, then maybe I will again later. And I really don't want to. And I can't.
-Why man? I mostly and many believe/have faith in a lot of what you say.
-Anyways get better. And push on.
-This is like me getting to my goals... getting married, then fucking it up with some other crazy pill / cosmetic drug. The thought scares me and a younger me would turn to substance abuse and avoidance and evasion to avoid those thoughts.

Edit- 3rd potential reality:
-Just for attn perhaps.

-Covered, 3 different ways now.
 
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raven

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not that i'm aware of?

was reading it as a satire of how everyone expects gbol to help them out when they crash, symptoms seem so extreme, hope he's doing alright if it's not
 

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hope you figure it out OP
 

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So what is broken in our bodies? This is a serious question. Thousands of people take fin without any issues. I would assume Helen is extremely healthy given his comments over the months. If what he is saying is true, then this is the second time he has taken a single dose of fin with extreme consequences. I think the last time was 5mg. Maybe this one was too, not sure. Regardless, for someone as healthy as Helen to react this significantly after one dose makes me think something in our bodies is simply broken. This shouldn’t happen.
 

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For sure.
Serious drugs, accidents, no sleep 60 hrs... cannot kill me.
YET: ssri/snri and finasteride, zombify me -- instantly.
I have dif issues than a lot if not most here, but something at play, then (on effexor) and now (finasteride) is there.
It's probably several things.
Maybe methylation, and a ton of other underlying factors.
Perhaps, not broken... but something is "off" and a strange chemical agent like Fin, + that thing (or many things) that is "off" interplay to make a horrible situation occur.

I literally cannot sit still - took years and years to force myself to go to AND STAY INSIDE of a lecture, or movie...
AND I literally could not leave my apartment, 3months or so on finasteride, and barely when I was forced to move elsewhere. NEVER, was that the case, even overweight as a child, I would simply never JUST stay inside 2 days... let alone 10-20-50, etc.

I was fit as fuck pre effexor and post fin, and called myself healthy very healthy very fit (at least on the outside). Possibly fucked in my mind, or other's minds about me... but nothing you can say - "OH for sure he'll have a bad finasteride reaction." BUT, my family doc did hesitate (knowing much of my history). But, by that time, my mind was made up... but I wasn't in the right state of mind, bc I was already altered... NOT with performance enhancing drugs (which are fine, in good health), but by something that made me more "laissez faire / laid back" and laid back. LAID BACK MNK ---> Suicidal MNK. I.e. Laid back -->terrible decisions -->terrible drugs --> terrible health --> suicidal.

-I speculate stims (amps) thinning blood brain barrier + PPI/antiacids (usually not PPI, but at times yes to save time -- school), both contributing to worsened stomach problems, and maybe worse digestive and neuro symptoms, producing a state in which finasteride-syndrome was more likely.
-BUT where does that speculation end? I'm on dex these days, and applying to prof school and have some money.
-WITHOUT it.... pretty screwed in a lot of ways.
-AND: then what maybe alcoholism at 20, coke at 22... effexor at 18 - 21 (some 10-18 month period in those years). ... who knows.
-I'll fast, like life depends on it at times, and do anyways.

Meanwhile, before that... I literally dealt with bs 247 at times and was never suicidal like that, mostly not even severely depressed.

So, something was "off" and was "more off" for a long long time.
Fuck those, fin-producing motherfuckers.
 
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Finally , blood pressure has come down to 140. took electrolytes and a lot of aminos. this is by far the biggest crash I had. May be this is the real crash.

I was chelating, so the chelator I guess took out a lot of nutrients. And this is how fin took me so bad.


My gums are super inflammed. It feels like crazy oxidative stress as almost all of a sudden all my enzymes and all minerals got oxidized in the cell.


And the more I eat the worse it gets. I think hormones or fin, and probably others, do this. they effect the cellular structure in a way , that there is a huge imbalance and basically antioxidation system goes down and everything gets oxidized., but then there is no metalothionein to carry out oxidized minerals. and thus all your cells become garbage piles.

Body probably stops delivering minerals into the cell as much as it can, thus everything gets downregulated. I feel very weak.

And the more you eat the more gabrage you get in the cell

this is probably why fasting helps.

Zinc finger has the same structure as metalothionein. SO if metalothioenein is needed bad, then many zinc fingers get downregulated.or upregulated.

And this effects a lot of signaling. Cortisol singnaling, insulin signaling, ar signaling, All the ppar signaling, everything where zinc fingers are.

What I was doing is drinking a lot of water and putting a lot of electrolytes , plus yesterday I started bs vitamins and detox aminos,

histidine lysine arginine glycine, cysteine taurine , hoping they will clean out my cell from oxidized enzymes and minerals.

This is why fasting makes you look so young. body has times to clean out your cells. And basically you use up a lot of minerals from your liver.

SO I am taking these aminos plus biotin plus Bs, to promote metalothionein formation. And go very light on food.

Blood pressure is coming down. Hopefully this is working.


this is may be how people age . they unbalance their cell at one time with huge stress or something else. or hormones, or some medicine, or too much sex and then there is an oxidation burst in all the cells, Now you have your body full of oxidized minerals, that need to be carried out.

Body slows down nutrient delivery inside of the cell, since there is garabage pile there. Person feels weak, since all zinc fingers are downregulated or upregulated. And the person starts eating non stop, eat eat. the liver gets just full of minerals. And the cell gets more and more toxic.
but people are weak , and they think they need more nutrients, where in reality they need more electrolytes, and more detox aminos. and less minerals.


Like what @Orion does , he is simulating fasting. He is taking little minerals ( just to support Urea cycle) and tons of aminos. especially metalothioniein aminos. and a lot of Bs

this is why playing with hormones is evil they can cause a major shits in the cell biochemstry
 
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Finally , blood pressure has come down to 140. took electrolytes and a lot of aminos. this is by far the biggest crash I had. May be this is the real crash.

I was chelating, so the chelator I guess took out a lot of nutrients. And this is how fin took me so bad.


My gums are super inflammed. It feels like crazy oxidative stress as almost all of a sudden all my enzymes and all minerals got oxidized in the cell.


And the more I eat the worse it gets. I think hormones or fin, and probably others, do this. they effect the cellular structure in a way , that there is a huge imbalance and basically antioxidation system goes down and everything gets oxidized., but then there is no metalothionein to carry out oxidized minerals. and thus all your cells become garbage piles.

Body probably stops delivering minerals into the cell as much as it can, thus everything gets downregulated. I feel very weak.

And the more you eat the more gabrage you get in the cell

this is probably why fasting helps.

Zinc finger has the same structure as metalothionein. SO if metalothioenein is needed bad, then many zinc fingers get downregulated.or upregulated.

And this effects a lot of signaling. Cortisol singnaling, insulin signaling, ar signaling, All the pcap signaling, everything where zinc fingers are.

What I was doing is drinking a lot of water and putting a lot of electrolytes , plus yesterday I started bs vitamins and detox aminos,

histidine lysine arginine glycine, cysteine taurine , hoping they will clean out my cell from oxidized enzymes and minerals.

This is why fasting makes you look so young. body has times to clean out your cells. And basically you use up a lot of minerals from your liver.

SO I am taking these aminos plus biotin plus Bs, to promote metalothionein formation. And go very light on food.

Blood pressure is coming down. Hopefully this is working.


this is may be how people age . they unbalance their cell at one time with huge stress or something else. or hormones, or some medicine, or too much sex and then there is an oxidation burst in all the cells, Now you have your body full of oxidized minerals, that need to be carried out.

Body slows down nutrient delivery inside of the cell, since there is garabage pile there. Person feels weak, since all zinc fingers are downregulated or upregulated. And the person starts eating non stop, eat eat. the liver gets just full of minerals. And the cell gets more and more toxic.
but people are weak , and they think they need more nutrients, where in reality they need more electrolytes, and more detox aminos. and less minerals.


Like what @Orion does , he is simulating fasting. He is taking little minerals ( just to support Urea cycle) and tons of aminos. especially metalothioniein aminos. and a lot of Bs

this is why playing with hormones is evil they can cause a major shits in the cell biochemstry

You can't say to have had a big crash till you loose half of your jawbone and chin little pussy
 

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Nobody has addressed the problem since now.
Everyone just make assumptions.

"but people are weak , and they think they need more nutrients, where in reality they need more electrolytes, and more detox aminos. and less minerals."

Less minerals? Really?
There is even a minerals protocol to cure PFS.
For months ppl trying Zinc + copper non stop.
Its the Proof that nobody knows whats going on with this sh**.

I told you that i have a Metabolic Syndrom.
I run LOW on aminos despite the fact that I consume tons of meat.

Metabolic effects of progesterone. - PubMed - NCBI

-I have hyperinsulinemia
-I have protein catabolism
- I have ketone body production

In fact this paper describes whats going on inside of me.

The effect of progesterone on the concentration of plasma amino acids in man - ScienceDirect

- I run low in all of these aminos.

My Progesterone is 1.0ng/ml.
When I crashed 9 months back I had 0.8ng/ml.

My body keeps producing it for a reason.
I can make over 10 assumptions for the reason.
But they will be just ASSUMPTIONS.

Especially with Progesterone.
The most unknown hormone in men.
 
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You can't say to have had a big crash till you loose half of your jawbone and chin little pussy
In all seriousness if I was crashing I would immediately eat some sorghum grain and buy a few forms of glutathione and probiotics, and then start fasting for 1-2 days at a time. Eating steamed carrots when I got really hungry.

I don''t know the best way to get aminos and electrolytes and minerals, I just buy $40 multi-minerals and tried Emergen-C as per recommended ghetto electrolyte protocol. Good foods like sorghum have aminos, I'm not sure supplementing them seperately is really necessary. Maybe at first to reduce anxiety and restore sleep. Unless you can find a cheap way to get them in one bottle, probably powder form.
 

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Nobody has addressed the problem since now.
Everyone just make assumptions.

"but people are weak , and they think they need more nutrients, where in reality they need more electrolytes, and more detox aminos. and less minerals."

Less minerals? Really?
There is even a minerals protocol to cure PFS.
For months ppl trying Zinc + copper non stop.
Its the Proof that nobody knows whats going on with this sh**.

I told you that i have a Metabolic Syndrom.
I run LOW on aminos despite the fact that I consume tons of meat.

Metabolic effects of progesterone. - PubMed - NCBI

-I have hyperinsulinemia
-I have protein catabolism
- I have ketone body production

In fact this paper describes whats going on inside of me.

The effect of progesterone on the concentration of plasma amino acids in man - ScienceDirect

- I run low in all of these aminos.

My Progesterone is 1.0ng/ml.
When I crashed 9 months back I had 0.8ng/ml.

My body keeps producing it for a reason.
I can make over 10 assumptions for the reason.
But they will just ASSUMPTIONS.

Especially with Progesterone.
The most unknown hormone in men.

What happens if you feed potassium + magnesium to support that high prog?
 
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Slayo

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Why don't you watch your language, you dickhead. You lose your chin and bones since you hold your dick for years in your hand looking for mold cure, instead of addressing the problem.

Dear Sissy, i see you can't understand humor, as well as you don't understand pfs since many people included me had bone loss happening overnight, so your steatment that you don't loose bones overnight is quite incorrect, oh and don't worry about your gum, you won't loose anything, i had so painfull gums that i couldn't chew even veggies for a while, it will go away