Help me. Post finasteride sindrome and all sintomns

[Aleksandr]

Member

Hello guys, I'm new in the forum and I'm looking for all the help I can...​

I stop using finasteride for almost one month. I took it in January of 2016 , stopped in September, came back to finasteride on march of 2017 but taking the pill 3 times a week... And how regretted I am.​

I stopped because my boobs start to come up, and after that all kinds of ***t are happening: libido is gone, I just want to piss, everything that I eat gives me nausea and my intestine hurts ( I think I've got allergic to gluten and milk) , I can't see straight of my left eye, and feel pain all over my body.... Sounds very tragic but its true my friends.​

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My hormonal exams are OK ( testosterone higher then the average, and dht normal) which makes me wonder if my brain is not damaged. Although my blood sugar is 101( limite is 100) and my cholesterol is 140 ( limit is 200). My prolactin is a little bit higher 16 ( limit is 20) and the estrogen I did it one month ago was 115( range was 175)​

Tomorrow I will do a magnetic resonance to my brain to see if I have any brain damage.​

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About supplements I'm taking maca, tribulus, vit D3, 5htp, Korean ginseng and omega 3. Also mucuna pruriens to try to drop prolactin levels, and taurine.my urologist prescribed me tamoxifen to see if my boobs reduce a little. Also gave me cialis ( a kind of Viagra) to revitalize my erections. For my boobs, I'm taking tamoxifen.​

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Do you have any idea what can I do now? I heard about dhea, progesterone etc. I wanted to know your opinion and more ideas of what can I do... I feel like I am fading away, my energy is out, I'm loosing weight and I can't workout anymore.​

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I'm from Portugal so I apologize for any English mistakes.​

I'm going through the worst nightmare of my life, please help me here folks I'm bagging. Thank you so much​

Have you had a hair test?

See if you can get a hair test from trace elements in your country.

From being here and researching alternative health protocols, diets, etc for about 10 years now... All I can say is this: the human body is really really complex. We don't know everything. The best thing i've found so far, is that a balanced hair test seems to correlate with good health. I saw that my body wasn't balanced on the hair test, but over the last 9 months i've been experimenting on ways to balance it. First i tried mineral supplements, they made me feel good in some ways bad in others. Then I started a nutritional focus (food only) to correct it. All I did really, was put a diet that I could consume every day into cronometer.com and make sure all my RDIs are there for vitamins, minerals, and proteins (excepting fat soluble vitamins). I also just used some common sense. I saw electrolytes were recommended here, and since I play sport and they're recommended for athletes... now I take an electrolyte supplement in my water. (and a low sodium one, since I retain sodium on my hair test AND on a gene test which brings down my magnesium).

My health has improved a lot. When I feel tired at 3pm or whatever, I take the electrolyte supplement. I think maybe its the chloride which helps me digest or speeds up my energy? Anyway, it gives me energy back and it seems sustainable long term. Works better than coffee (not that i have coffee, i don't like the taste or smell lol - i used to just get tired and lazy). Outside of that my health has been good, my stress tolerance vastly increased etc. It seems to be beneficial.

Maybe hair testing won't miraculously cure all your problems, but slowly implementing something and chipping away at improving it, i'm sure will give you a sense of hope and forward movement, as well as actually improve your health outcomes and make the suffering of life a bit more bearable.

I just want to advocate this again: improvements that stick are best slow and steady. You can control outcomes better this way, but you need to be sensitively attuned to changes. I think regular hair testing (every 6 months or so at least for the first few years) and checking your nutrient intakes on cronometer is the best thing for this. Taking random supplements because professor brosef recommended them on some ranndom forum online is probably a waste of money / dangerous

 

[Pedro melo]

Also confused now... So if we feel better on zinc/ creatine or the minerals you said, means we are in the wrong way?

Have you had a hair test?

See if you can get a hair test from trace elements in your country.

From being here and researching alternative health protocols, diets, etc for about 10 years now... All I can say is this: the human body is really really complex. We don't know everything. The best thing i've found so far, is that a balanced hair test seems to correlate with good health. I saw that my body wasn't balanced on the hair test, but over the last 9 months i've been experimenting on ways to balance it. First i tried mineral supplements, they made me feel good in some ways bad in others. Then I started a nutritional focus (food only) to correct it. All I did really, was put a diet that I could consume every day into cronometer.com and make sure all my RDIs are there for vitamins, minerals, and proteins (excepting fat soluble vitamins). I also just used some common sense. I saw electrolytes were recommended here, and since I play sport and they're recommended for athletes... now I take an electrolyte supplement in my water. (and a low sodium one, since I retain sodium on my hair test AND on a gene test which brings down my magnesium).

My health has improved a lot. When I feel tired at 3pm or whatever, I take the electrolyte supplement. I think maybe its the chloride which helps me digest or speeds up my energy? Anyway, it gives me energy back and it seems sustainable long term. Works better than coffee (not that i have coffee, i don't like the taste or smell lol - i used to just get tired and lazy). Outside of that my health has been good, my stress tolerance vastly increased etc. It seems to be beneficial.

Maybe hair testing won't miraculously cure all your problems, but slowly implementing something and chipping away at improving it, i'm sure will give you a sense of hope and forward movement, as well as actually improve your health outcomes and make the suffering of life a bit more bearable.

I just want to advocate this again: improvements that stick are best slow and steady. You can control outcomes better this way, but you need to be sensitively attuned to changes. I think regular hair testing (every 6 months or so at least for the first few years) and checking your nutrient intakes on cronometer is the best thing for this. Taking random supplements because professor brosef recommended them on some ranndom forum online is probably a waste of money / dangerous

i ser your point. My thing is... Ive alleays had a good nutrition. Always counted my macros and stuff. I jut wanted to feel some initial relief... I'm trying the fasting now and then I'll do the hair test. But after I don't have a plan. And I need to have a plan, because this guys will just show me the results and no nutrition plan. That site you said is reliable?

 

[Aleksandr]

i ser your point. My thing is... Ive alleays had a good nutrition. Always counted my macros and stuff. I jut wanted to feel some initial relief... I'm trying the fasting now and then I'll do the hair test. But after I don't have a plan. And I need to have a plan, because this guys will just show me the results and no nutrition plan. That site you said is reliable?

The fasting will change what your hair test looks like. It will put you in slow oxidation.


"Good nutrition" can mean a thousand different things. From a hairtest perspective, "good macros" depends on your oxidation state. What were they? What about your micros? What are you eating?

I thought i had good nutrition before i plugged it into cronometer and got my hair test back... LOL. I guess theres many degrees of good. While food is better than junk food. But some wholefood diets are more nitritious and digest better than others. Dont think you cant make.progress here. we're trying to get as close to optimal as possible.

 

[Pedro melo]

The fasting will change what your hair test looks like. It will put you in slow oxidation.


"Good nutrition" can mean a thousand different things. From a hairtest perspective, "good macros" depends on your oxidation state. What were they? What about your micros? What are you eating?

I thought i had good nutrition before i plugged it into cronometer and got my hair test back... LOL. I guess theres many degrees of good. While food is better than junk food. But some wholefood diets are more nitritious and digest better than others. Dont think you cant make.progress here. we're trying to get as close to optimal as possible.

I was allways a Sport guys. Low pufa, carbs with low hipoglicemic value, protein ( specially lean) whey. Fruit
Some supplement with vitamin and creatine. My macros ( because I used to go to gym a lot) were more or less 200 g protein , 140g carb, and 70 fat. I'm weighting 70( or I was).
I'm trying the fasting now coz I need to do something to feel relief... Other wise I will not have a beginning and to wait for my hair test I'll need to wait one month coz I've cutted it...

 

[MNK99]

hair does not need to be scalp hair for the hair test. can be underarm, down there, etc. --> For ARL and maybe TEI. I used scalp both times (2 tests in all).

 

[Pedro melo]

hair does not need to be scalp hair for the hair test. can be underarm, down there, etc.

I've told.you before bro... TThis lab only accepts the hair from scalp

 

[MNK99]

Oh, I didn't understand that, english I did not understand. I see, that's what you were saying. Scalp may be better. 4wks is a short time and it might be less than that.... Maybe not. Hair and all grew less quick before, now v fast. Esp facial hair.

 

[Pedro melo]

Oh, I didn't understand that, english I did not understand. I see, that's what you were saying. Scalp may be better. 4wks is a short time and it might be less than that.... Maybe not. Hair and all grew less quick before, now v fast. Esp facial hair.

Really? I thought hair aliment were mostly protein and fat, I didn't know that fasting could improve hair health and growing

 

[MNK99]

I mean, the whole process. PROBABLY for most it caused more shedding if any change.
I SHED more for sure, that was like a long time ago, January. SO: I mean, overall, hair grows faster, AR was not sensitive, or something like this.
I made tons of notes, my log would be 30-40pgs if kept all, but I can't focus like that, so I cut it all the time for simplicity. Hundreds of pages offline (unreadable to most).
I meant LONG LONG TERM. Like IF yrs, or fasting long for yrs as a practice... like 30-40d for yrs, or doing that, rebuilding, randro, exercise, etc, etc.

-Also faster (scalp) Hair Growth does not imply hair loss reversed. Maybe partially at times. Still diffuse thinning or near it. I shed yrs. As does ev1, but mine was different.
-Also, faster facial and body hair growth, but in good health got faster like every yr at some point. So v fast again. Often full beard 1 day. Perma-shadow. Annoying.

 

[Pedro melo]

I mean, the whole process. PROBABLY for most it caused more shedding if any change.
I SHED more for sure, that was like a long time ago, January. SO: I mean, overall, hair grows faster, AR was not sensitive, or something like this.
I made tons of notes, my log would be 30-40pgs if kept all, but I can't focus like that, so I cut it all the time for simplicity. Hundreds of pages offline (unreadable to most).
I meant LONG LONG TERM. Like IF yrs, or fasting long for yrs as a practice... like 30-40d for yrs, or doing that, rebuilding, randro, exercise, etc, etc.

Yes I understand...

 

[Pedro melo]

Guys im on my second day fasting, for the first time I didn't had morning wood, and I almost had thrombosis in my leg the pain was insane... I don't know what to do looks like I'm hurting my body even more ( if that's possible) any suggestions?

 

[MNK99]

I think ride out if can
I did 5 wish more 6 wanted more then 20.5 so 31.5 but if I could have then I'd have done 30-40 straight.... Easier said than done.
I couldn't complain about pain then BC it was better than 40 symptoms zero personality, zero soul, zero ability to not have dark thoughts all day. I had no choice. I've said enough on this. I didn't even mention it till day 4-5.

Try and ride it out
I did 2 wks x2 + juice before and it was useless. As in I lost 3-4 lb vs 22 ... As in no change vs tons of change. You could say. Pain didn't matter before PFS nor after refeed and eventual digestion correction (mostly).

 

[Pedro melo]

I think ride out if can
I did 5 wish more 6 wanted more then 20.5 so 31.5 but if I could have then I'd have done 30-40 straight.... Easier said than done.
I couldn't complain about pain then BC it was better than 40 symptoms zero personality, zero soul, zero ability to not have dark thoughts all day. I had no choice. I've said enough on this. I didn't even mention it till day 4-5.

Try and ride it out
I did 2 wks x2 + juice before and it was useless. As in I lost 3-4 lb vs 22 ... As in no change vs tons of change. You could say. Pain didn't matter before PFS nor after refeed and eventual digestion correction (mostly).

BRO ill stick with it bit i just dont want to add other problem.... I'll stick with this until I can and then I go breuas juice... I hope this can help me with my digestion.
My blood sugar was 83 BTW,,, maximum range is 110 and minum is 70

 

[MNK99]

-1. I had like 40 problems plus my normal 100 problems were worse or ceased to exist, as did the likeliness of me still being around, so I fasted. Fast so you will last.
-2. There's no way I nor anyone can really know for sure. However, I think: that for me and many others, by 72hrs to 84hrs we were no longer hungry. By... day 5-6 we wanted to continue. By day 10-14.. happy at times, smiling, day 20... I broke it bc hunger returned on day 19. (this is actually way more than the 19th day, but 5d, 6d, and 20+d juice were before this).
-3. Hence, whatever you feel now can dramatically change day after day.
-4. Imagine and visualize positive changes in a day a week a month etc. I understand the questions but there are no absolute

 

[Pedro melo]

-1. I had like 40 problems plus my normal 100 problems were worse or ceased to exist, as did the likeliness of me still being around, so I fasted. Fast so you will last.
-2. There's no way I nor anyone can really know for sure. However, I think: that for me and many others, by 72hrs to 84hrs we were no longer hungry. By... day 5-6 we wanted to continue. By day 10-14.. happy at times, smiling, day 20... I broke it bc hunger returned on day 19. (this is actually way more than the 19th day, but 5d, 6d, and 20+d juice were before this).
-3. Hence, whatever you feel now can dramatically change day after day.
-4. Imagine and visualize positive changes in a day a week a month etc. I understand the questions but there are no absolute

I'm doing that. Step after step. I'm becoming very finer my ass was great and now look like Asian but well. Hope is worth it. I'll try sauna and enema on a clinic should help... When I can't more already havethe ingredients to do a bruess juice

 

[Ocguy]

Yes, somehow.

Tsh at around 1 to 1.5 is fine, u should really get free t3 tested or reverse t3 to be sure

but in all honesty I wouldn't worry about hyperthyroidism. If u have it, it looks to be slight.

 

[Pedro melo]

Yes i will ask for cortisol, progesterona, t3 and t4 ( ate these same as reverse t3?)
Dhea. Maybe teste and DHT Aldo.
Anythinf more?
Funny thing is, my neck is becoming bigger and hard to swallow. Defenetly somerhih is going on

 

[MNK99]

@Pedro melo I highly suggest not to count nor look at each symptom esp so soon after crash. It is unhealthy for sure, mentally. Avoid mirrors like Chi and others said.
UNTIL later... (how much later? who knows). --I did for a long time, now don't as much. Chi DID A LOT, to help recover. He's a v. disciplined guy.

 

[Pedro melo]

@Pedro melo I highly suggest not to count nor look at each symptom esp so soon after crash. It is unhealthy for sure, mentally. Avoid mirrors like Chi and others said.
UNTIL later... (how much later? who knows). --I did for a long time, now don't as much. Chi DID A LOT, to help recover. He's a v. disciplined guy.

Why do i need to avoid mirrors lol?
Im trying not to pay attention but sometimes the pain is stronger...

 

[MNK99]

---I mean for ppl who may have facial changes, or their facial hair, brows, scalp hair, eyes... its mostly for single immature male obsessive narcissists [SIMON] (vain) single guys.
---Haha jk. --But yeah.... that's why.