Help! *Something* is Working!

[Aflac94]

Been trying to leave my "hopping around trying everything I don't understand" phase, which I think lots of us get into at the beginning. I'm hoping if I give a summary of things someone can point me to what I'm doing that's helping so I can either take full advantage or stop any potential harm or stilts. Bottom line is, a noticeable uptick in symptoms over the last week or so. Led to me attempting sex which I had successfully twice on Saturday.

Been following Cdsnuts' protocol mostly perfectly since the start of the year. Crash was October 2018, took 9 pills of 1mg fin over a month prior. Finished first R-Andro cycle a couple of weeks ago. Only this last week stopped the herb rotation, in favour of the below and Apr1989's approach; thought I'd give it a try. Paleo diet but not fully carb-backloading, do eat carbs during the day but not huge amounts (potatoes and white rice mostly.) Functional nutritionist has me on probiotics following Geneva Diagnostics parasitology tests only showed low lactobacillus of some sort.

Supps:
AM:
Broccoli smoothie
Bile Acid Factors
Betaine HCL
Vitamin C
Colostrum (will drop shortly)
Shilajit
Wobenzym
Schisandra powder
Zinc and Selenium complex
Probiotic following Geneva results
TUDCA as of 10/3/19
Also *would* be herb of the day, but been alternating Boron (12mg) and Tongkat Ali as I've JUST stopped the first week of Apr1989's Tribulus cycles, which I intend to do for a few months:
Update: still cured, raging libido for the last four years

With meals:
Betaine HCL, Viridian digestive aid, Bile acid factors

PM:
Magnesium Malate
Bacopa
Collagen
Vitamin B complex
NAC
Sodium Butyrate as of 3/3/19

(All supps within daily recommended doses if they come with them.)

Diet is paleo, around 2.5-3k calories /day. I'll also get 6 eggs in /day plus dessicated egg whites instead of a protein shake. Broccoli I eat like a lunatic, I think legit half my food intake is broccoli or kale, and often spinach. I drink beet juice at about 500ml/day too, plus 2-4 apples each day.

Exercise is weights each weekday night, HIIT 2x /week (rowing machine or sprints 10 minutes/a few sets.)

The first week of Apr1989's cycle ended last week, I felt a bit bad at the start and increasing the dosage, but dropping it lower things seemed to improve. And then kept on going. Somewhere in here I'm doing something right. Anybody got an idea? Can I help it along? Should I stop it?

Thank you anyone passing for ANY advice or pointers!

What’s the reason for colostrum , and did you notice anything from it?

Good luck with the improvements sir

 

[jinstewart]

What’s the reason for colostrum , and did you notice anything from it?

Good luck with the improvements sir

Thank you. I wonder I'm a bit 'low'-er today. Ups and downs though, ups and downs...

Got the idea to try colostrum here: https://hackstasis.com/threads/36-eggs-a-day-steroid-cycle.1523/#post-48500

It messed up some people iirc (Chi I think got horrid brain fog on it.) I don't know I'm better or worse for it, certainly nothing drastic.

I've just dropped about 6 weeks of potassium too (took that on and post R-Andro cycle) and I'll keep the colostrum up until the bottle's done. If this does indeed start up insulin then hooray.

At this point it's probably worth emphasising I'm just cherry-picking some things I understand and fancy risking; I do *NOT* operate on the same level as Helen, Boris, or indeed anyone at all! Only things that "speak" to me are shedloads of exercise (always have worked out) and a sane diet. If this doesn't cure me by the summer I'll just go on TEI I think and dwell there.

Anyways, for now I'll sit with this as it seems to help some. Next tribulus cycle I'll start at the weekend. I will make a log I think too.

 

[jinstewart]

this is why when you took tribulus you felt bad. since it increased your 5AR by increasing NADPH

and since you dont have cysteine, this caused oxidative stress and less cortisol availability.

the minute you added Cysteine, cortisol started to work, and increasing 5AR was ok.

Sorry to bug you, but will this mean that NAC is a stilt of sorts? Or that it'll 'fire up' things after a time and I can stop it?

Or is it one of those things nobody can be proper sure about?

Thanks much!

And indeed thanks everyone for chiming in here! Let's see if (with a little patient help) I can cack-hand my way out of this...

EDIT - looks like it might just 'fire up' things, seemed to for Scenes.

 

[ncsugrad]

this is why when you took tribulus you felt bad. since it increased your 5AR by increasing NADPH

and since you dont have cysteine, this caused oxidative stress and less cortisol availability.

the minute you added Cysteine, cortisol started to work, and increasing 5AR was ok.

I recently tried Tribulus.. first 3 days I felt so good.. genital sensitivity was the best it's been in a year,, head itched like crazy (DHT?), lots of shedding.. and I just felt good. After that I went back to "normal" (PFS normal that is). I tried stopping for a week and then tried taking it again but did not get the same result.. didn't seem to do anything the second time. Feels like I'm "lacking" something else that is needed...

My main issue is genital sensitivity.. goes down hill fast during sex, makes it very difficult to finish a lot of the times. And refractory period is very long (like 3+ days)

I just got some NAC last night--will have some Histidine and P5P tomorrow to add in as well. My head is super itchy right now, so I hope that is a good sign. Took NAC yesterday evening and again this morning. Hopefully in 2-3 days I'll have an idea if it's going to help or not.

Any other suggestions for me to try?

 

[MNK99]

anavar or randro or some pct like the herbs plus vitamin b maybe.
any of the above three plus b50 ... or the right b's for your case (which are exactly ? Not sure, but B50 has a good mix). Or the spinach/electrolyte and amino ... simplified shake protocol (not a real protocol, but i did something like that).
anavar not taken lightly, like hey guys im on steroids now. Its a drug.
actually randro, etc not just taken lightly either.


add b perhaps is what im saying.

or maybe do not.

i added all kinds of things, never crashed and felt like as horrible. but i was totally screwed before, so i understand adding things, can be a very bad idea.

 

[joekool]

@ncsugrad add choline. It helps the mind penis connection. @MNK99 you agreed it helped that, right?

 

[ncsugrad]

anavar or randro or some pct like the herbs plus vitamin b maybe.
any of the above three plus b50 ... or the right b's for your case (which are exactly ? Not sure, but B50 has a good mix). Or the spinach/electrolyte and amino ... simplified shake protocol (not a real protocol, but i did something like that).
anavar not taken lightly, like hey guys im on steroids now. Its a drug.
actually randro, etc not just taken lightly either.


add b perhaps is what im saying.

or maybe do not.

i added all kinds of things, never crashed and felt like as horrible. but i was totally screwed before, so i understand adding things, can be a very bad idea.

Thanks, I have a bunch of r andro so I can try adding that at some point. I’ll do some reading on the other suggestions as well.

My case was fin for 3 years then dut for 2 years. No issues while on either but cycled off, then on and then back off over a month or two and crashed a month or two after that. Sensitivity was better while on it than it is now but was f’ing amazing the first time I stopped (which is why I stopped for good the second time). Anyways, I can start a thread to get all into my story. Main issues are lack of genital sensitivity/difficulty orgasming and long refractory period.

@ncsugrad add choline. It helps the mind penis connection. @MNK99 you agreed it helped that, right?

I’ll check that one out, thanks

 

[MNK99]

Choline did help sexual stamina and e.q., and sensation as well. Kind of bad for mood... maybe good, but not all the time.
And also, crazily helped: Stamina in the gym. Like double reps with that and a strong stim (didn't combine all the time), and also prohoromones, far more too.
Personal records reached for every single lift, also pushups, dips, chin ups, etc. Still decent with nothing, but of course --- it took time getting used to no randro and no choline. I liked it though for sure. Alpha GPC and Citocholine were both used. I can't remember which one I liked more for focus/mood... I think Citocholine. They both have their merits, as Alpha GPC doesn't stimulate it directly I think, so it may be safer in that sense. It could help out in the future, maybe for studying, and work. But with coffee, or any other stim, it can cause agitation. And tiredness, some negative feelings the next day. It's been a few months since I took it, but it's definitely one of my favorite supplements. ---in cutting can increase rep number and stamina - with citocholine, stim, coffee, or nothing (nothing means, more recovery time obviously and it's more of a bitch).

Good call on those: @joekool and @Area-1255.

--POSSIBLY me, but I find I do zone out too much, just like stims.... if taken past a certain day or too many days in a row. Fine line between very productive, and lessened social skills, and hyperfocused/hyperstimulated.

--TOO much stims can equal talking too much. AND conversely being too silent. Being silent happens moderate - high dose of choline I found. Which is helpful at times, but very odd also.

 

[ncsugrad]

Ordered some choline. Should be here later today—thank you amazon prime same day

 

[MNK99]

I like Jarrow (Citocholine) and Cognitex (for Alpha GPC). Also Nootropics Depot in the United States. There are lots of good sources out there though. Good luck mate.
Amazon Prime is bomb.

 

[ncsugrad]

I like Jarrow (Citocholine) and Cognitex (for Alpha GPC). Also Nootropics Depot in the United States. There are lots of good sources out there though. Good luck mate.
Amazon Prime is bomb.

Thanks

Going back to your earlier post.. sexual stamina isn’t what I want. I need the opposite, haha. 30+ minutes of pound town gets a bit excessive. It’s fine sometimes, but not a lot of fun when it feels like the only option because I can’t get the job done before then. It sucks.

 

[MNK99]

Yeah i mean hypomania plus hyper sometimes 2-4hrs. and it can hurt, certainly DID while crashing from this shit drug in mexico in 2017.
DEF can be a huge waste of time.
BUT you don't want something that destroys sexual stamina either.

ALSO, to be honest, MOSTLY i used choline because I was scared of using ADHD medicine. But realistically it works well for me. And I did go like 16 months zero coffee and 18 months zero adhd medicine. Regardless, I went from 0-80% PFS symptoms gone, in a few months. The rest has been slower but gains every once in a while. And a lot of discipline involved for sure. Also I used choline to see if it would help mood disorder/ anxiety, etc too. I did use both same time at times.

Now that I've moved, am profitable in trading, applying to prof. school (and actually studying rather than postponing that), still I don't really want choline. but I'll keep it around and take it occasionally. Like lithium orotate perhaps. I didn't take that I think 5-6months. If I do take a bunch of stuff for PFS, it will be TEI. -- Which I will soon again, I've just been really busy. I've been working on things over 100hrs a week lately.

Basically this test I'm studying for, some perfect in 6months to a year, I want to be pretty much prepared in 3.5-4mo and take it easier if need be, but for now want to catch up. Also like Randro etc, choline (and a lot of other things), can sometimes make me pretty agitated. So I always had to cycle it on and off. Mostly I cut it off and didn't actually titrate dose on and off. But if it can do that, surely it can also cause depression and other mood changes, so be careful with it just in case.
Again, I like choline, but it's not 100% without risk. Some react very badly too it, check Reddit nootropics.

 

[Continuous Heal]

Yup. That’s how I see it really. Be strict, hold yourself accountable to not stray from the program too much.

But little things that can be given a 3 day to a week trial to see how you respond can be worth it. You’ll never know what is out there that can make drastic change for the good.

I think more people here should include fasting with tei. Just makes so much sense to me. With tei you’re body can get toxic if detox organs aren’t working too great still.

Throw in a fast and body will eat up toxins. Fast weekends or something for like a month straight like RWAC did this past summer.

Body is incredible what it can do for itself especially when it has the correct nutrients propelling it.

Aren't you supposed to take TEI supplements with food for absorption?

 

[bruschi11]

@Continuous Heal i meant like.. do tei for a month. then fast for 5 days after.

Don’t Take supplements during fast. Wait a week after fast to continue them.

 

[wuf]

Yeah i mean hypomania plus hyper sometimes 2-4hrs. and it can hurt, certainly DID while crashing from this shit drug in mexico in 2017.
DEF can be a huge waste of time.
BUT you don't want something that destroys sexual stamina either.

ALSO, to be honest, MOSTLY i used choline because I was scared of using ADHD medicine. But realistically it works well for me. And I did go like 16 months zero coffee and 18 months zero adhd medicine. Regardless, I went from 0-80% PFS symptoms gone, in a few months. The rest has been slower but gains every once in a while. And a lot of discipline involved for sure. Also I used choline to see if it would help mood disorder/ anxiety, etc too. I did use both same time at times.

Now that I've moved, am profitable in trading, applying to prof. school (and actually studying rather than postponing that), still I don't really want choline. but I'll keep it around and take it occasionally. Like lithium orotate perhaps. I didn't take that I think 5-6months. If I do take a bunch of stuff for PFS, it will be TEI. -- Which I will soon again, I've just been really busy. I've been working on things over 100hrs a week lately.

Basically this test I'm studying for, some perfect in 6months to a year, I want to be pretty much prepared in 3.5-4mo and take it easier if need be, but for now want to catch up. Also like Randro etc, choline (and a lot of other things), can sometimes make me pretty agitated. So I always had to cycle it on and off. Mostly I cut it off and didn't actually titrate dose on and off. But if it can do that, surely it can also cause depression and other mood changes, so be careful with it just in case.
Again, I like choline, but it's not 100% without risk. Some react very badly too it, check Reddit nootropics.

Yo man, I do not understand...what are you at percentually recovered from PFS?

 

[MNK99]

Pretty decent, as it's been since say last April (zero progress then super fast progress starting January). I.E. With serious fasting/ no mistakes.

I think it's more like 32/35 or 33/36 done. Most of what I think about all the time isn't pfs, but other shyt. ---not to say it's a non issue, but that one day it will be.
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etc detail. there you go.

 

[jinstewart]

Okay. So you know how the WORST type of person on these fora is the sort of person who can't help taking things, can't stick to things, and jumps around all the time and makes themselves worse? Right? I'm thinking the opposite is going on...

To recap, I was dead set on doing TEI. And last so Thursday I stopped taking ANY supplement to begin preparing for my hair test. So far I've stuck religiously through that (you can read back through here or my log thread for the "supplement salad" I was trying out, along with the Tribulus protocol from Apr1989, despite how horrid the Tribulus made me feel whilst on it.) I stopped my second Tribulus cycle last week, without really tapering off.

I'd also bought some Jarrow BroccoMax, but after reading Helen's post HERE I didn't think it wise to neck ten pills at once. Or any at all...

...but something made me take three that morning, just to see if they made me better or worse at that dose. Before I stopped everything. Thought it'd be good to know.

...And every day I've been slowly getting a little better, at least mentally. Ups and downs, but definitely MUCH improved. And I'm taking NOTHING.

Poop (sorry) is better, ejaculate is white again (I have masturbated or had sex each day since Friday though - low androgens sorting me?) And just eating three square meals a day (although mostly what I ate before, still 6-8 eggs every day) along with kefir drink. Trying to meet my macros for bodybuilding, but not hugely focussed on carb backloading; just eat my carbs through the day. Plus I'm LOVING apples, I eat 3-4 a day. Sexually I don't think I'm any/much better, but there have been PFS ups and downs sexually, and this is one of the slight ups.

Fuck me fellas, what is this? The sun is out this morning and, well, I LIKE it - and I can, like, WORK and FOCUS right now. Breathing a little shallow but I SLEPT OKAY last night. Albeit fitfully. This is a little slice of the 'before' life...

Can someone PLEASE give me some pointers? I'm drawn HUGELY towards @Helen 's post HERE of course. Could this help me? Could someone hold my hand through dosages etc if it's really worth giving something a shot before committing to TEI? I'm so sorry for tagging you in here Helen/Gbol YET AGAIN - I hope you don't want to smack me around the head just yet. :/

My Renault 5 wants to start. I can feel it trying...

 

[Trump_1776]

Ordered some choline. Should be here later today—thank you amazon prime same day

How did the choline go?

 

[ncsugrad]

How did the choline go?

Didn’t really notice anything from it but I’m giving it another shot along with betaine and vitamin A. We shall see!

 

[joekool]

@ncsugrad when I take 500mg Choline Bitartrate twice a day, after a couple days, I notice a little more feeling in my penis when sexually active... it isn't mind blowing but I notice the difference so that's why I'm an advocate of it... L-Tyrosine 1000mgs & L-Arginine 3k mgs will also pump the erection up so that's a good combo with choline