Orion
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Over a week, so recomended amount, ~10mg T / ~1mg P per day
HIGH and LOW DHT and PFS cases ( protocols , explanations, theories)
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Over a week, so recomended amount, ~10mg T / ~1mg P per day
I was planning on taking more of a normal dose of t and minimal effectice dose of HCG
Do you guys think I should try a cycle of Ella and then maybe I’ll respknd the trt better? I suspect my issues are coming from the HCG, just a gut feeling.
Before starting trt my erections we’re fine for the most part and didn’t have any issues with PE. All my sides were mental and because my brothers T was in the 900s and mine was 3-400 I suspected that T might be the cause for my depressive/anxiety synptoms.
Before starting trt my erections we’re fine for the most part and didn’t have any issues with PE. All my sides were mental and because my brothers T was in the 900s and mine was 3-400 I suspected that T might be the cause for my depressive/anxiety synptoms.
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I see you took the SARM LGD-4033. Maybe it just shut you down. You are 24, you don't want to stay on TRT forever I can tell you now. TRT means you are dependant on a doctor or a dealer. Only if you have no TESTICLES or something like that you should do TRT.
Ella is not used for your case. It was an experimental protocol for PFS.
Don't fuck with random drugs man. This is what got you into this mess in the first place. I also did this and it is STUPID and a waste of time. I learned my lesson.
You can try Triptorelin injection to kickstart your LH but you have to be off TRT first.
Otherwise I would get off TRT with PCT protocol or nothing (which I did) and go on TEI.
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Whats your mix again? Maybe I can try since no shampoo owlr whatever helps me
Fast oxidizer, low DHt production
@Helen
This thread resonates with me very much, after reading this I went and did the following labs: DHT low, free DHT lowish, T low (was 339 April /2018 prior to starting T shots) low SBGH.
Per your excellent explanation/theory I should be a case 1 Low DHT. I remember after I crashed I had a few drinks and those evenings I felt great mentally. During moments of extreme duress I have resorted to taking a Xanax and this also makes me feel near normal mentally ( GABA Action). I got fucked by saw palmetto.
Testosterone, Total, LC/MS 365 (ng/dL)Reference Range Adult Males>18 years 264 - 916
Free Testosterone(Direct)12.5 Reference range 7.2-24.0 (pg/mL)
Estradiol 13.1. Reference range 7.6-42.6 (pg/mL)
Progesterone0.30. Reference range 0-0.5 (ng/mL)
LH4.6. Reference range 1.7-8.6 (mIU/mL)F
FSH7.8. Reference range 1.5-12.4 (mIU/mL
Dihydrotestosterone 21 (ng/dL) Referene range 30-80
SBGH 16 range 10-80
DHT, Free 3.99 (pg/mL) Reference range 2.3-11.6
Vitamin B1 whole blood165.7 Reference range 66.5-200.0 (nmol/L)
Vitamin B2, Whole Blood168 Reference range 137-370 (ug/L)
I am 6 weeks into 1st cycle of TEI ( slow 1), Catherine could not explain the pubic and scalp differences so I am going with the scalp ( can't tolerate full dose yet, taking 1/2 dose) I remain with horrible anxiety, depression zero motivation and Insomnia and now squeezing headaches TEI is helping with digestion. I am having a tough time functioning and at am a point where I am willing to try a stilt to remain functional. Is a GABA agonist along with low dose Testosterone an option like 10-20 mg a week or R andro ( like everyone here I too have snagged several bottles)) or like topical fin or 5-10 mg of saw palmetto, B2 is lower than B1 also I am thinking of taking B2.
Any and all suggestions from any one is most appreciated. Thanks
This thread resonates with me very much, after reading this I went and did the following labs: DHT low, free DHT lowish, T low (was 339 April /2018 prior to starting T shots) low SBGH.
Per your excellent explanation/theory I should be a case 1 Low DHT. I remember after I crashed I had a few drinks and those evenings I felt great mentally. During moments of extreme duress I have resorted to taking a Xanax and this also makes me feel near normal mentally ( GABA Action). I got fucked by saw palmetto.
Testosterone, Total, LC/MS 365 (ng/dL)Reference Range Adult Males>18 years 264 - 916
Free Testosterone(Direct)12.5 Reference range 7.2-24.0 (pg/mL)
Estradiol 13.1. Reference range 7.6-42.6 (pg/mL)
Progesterone0.30. Reference range 0-0.5 (ng/mL)
LH4.6. Reference range 1.7-8.6 (mIU/mL)F
FSH7.8. Reference range 1.5-12.4 (mIU/mL
Dihydrotestosterone 21 (ng/dL) Referene range 30-80
SBGH 16 range 10-80
DHT, Free 3.99 (pg/mL) Reference range 2.3-11.6
Vitamin B1 whole blood165.7 Reference range 66.5-200.0 (nmol/L)
Vitamin B2, Whole Blood168 Reference range 137-370 (ug/L)
I am 6 weeks into 1st cycle of TEI ( slow 1), Catherine could not explain the pubic and scalp differences so I am going with the scalp ( can't tolerate full dose yet, taking 1/2 dose) I remain with horrible anxiety, depression zero motivation and Insomnia and now squeezing headaches TEI is helping with digestion. I am having a tough time functioning and at am a point where I am willing to try a stilt to remain functional. Is a GABA agonist along with low dose Testosterone an option like 10-20 mg a week or R andro ( like everyone here I too have snagged several bottles)) or like topical fin or 5-10 mg of saw palmetto, B2 is lower than B1 also I am thinking of taking B2.
Any and all suggestions from any one is most appreciated. Thanks
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Trump_1776
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You seem to be a good case for low dose test.
Low T, Low E.
Do you have LH bloodwork values? Fsh?
@Trump_1776
Both look good to me. I was also thinking Trib cycles may be helpful.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S037887410400426X
This study showed increased NADPH and AR in the brain of rats. Just the opposite of what I believe Saw Palmetto does. ( only thing is I am not sure I need to increase AR and these may be already over expressed)
Both look good to me. I was also thinking Trib cycles may be helpful.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S037887410400426X
This study showed increased NADPH and AR in the brain of rats. Just the opposite of what I believe Saw Palmetto does. ( only thing is I am not sure I need to increase AR and these may be already over expressed)
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jinstewart
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Sorry I spat out my chicken reading this earlier. This is the funniest post on the whole forum!
...Back to cures folks. As you were.
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Are these blood results after T shots or prior?
If you want to try testosterone, just stay very low with the dosage, the lowest possible to start and see what happens.
You have time to add it later if needed.. Nobody is running to you so you're not in a rush.
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Just as I was (am) in "fuck it" mode right now I took a weekend off - junk food, sleeping in, no gym, just rest. Amitriptyline 15mg/night has almost completely fixed every mental side in that time. I gather this produces GABA, just like Helen thought would benefit/stilt me. Honestly my brain needed a rest, I had to have a little time off the agony. The "sour headache" slightly creeping back in "around the edges" but gawd, it just feels like full-body "rest".
I'll drop down to 10mg/day next week, 5mg/day next week, then off I think.
That any use to know? I'm mid-range DHT fwiw. Tribulus used to crash me, a little run of Sulphorafane (sp?) seemed to make it way more tolerable.
I'll drop down to 10mg/day next week, 5mg/day next week, then off I think.
That any use to know? I'm mid-range DHT fwiw. Tribulus used to crash me, a little run of Sulphorafane (sp?) seemed to make it way more tolerable.
Is Rattan Tea a source of DHM to try?
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Allright I've been reading and reading and reading and I just don't get it.
So the moment I heal from PFS I will lose my hair? Or will TEI or these hair protocols with Zinc/Manganese/Cysteine/Histidine/Selenium/Potassium + Ocean swimming etc. be able to hold ground and even regrow or is it pointless after PFS?
Imo that's not true, I remember English or Entropy stating that he recovered from PFS and still managed to keep his hair afterward. @Walker too, right? And someone else I can't remember for now
Also, these people took finasteride so obviously they were probably prone to balding to begin with. If recovering means getting back to the point before they were before fin, then they'll likely lose hair again. But I'd assume someone could do both; recover and keep his hair if he got rid of the cause of his hair loss (and there's plenty) during his recovery journey
I think it depends.. There are also those PAS/PSSD people who recovered from the same symptoms and I don't recall one of them talking about losing hair post-recovery
Also, these people took finasteride so obviously they were probably prone to balding to begin with. If recovering means getting back to the point before they were before fin, then they'll likely lose hair again. But I'd assume someone could do both; recover and keep his hair if he got rid of the cause of his hair loss (and there's plenty) during his recovery journey
I think it depends.. There are also those PAS/PSSD people who recovered from the same symptoms and I don't recall one of them talking about losing hair post-recovery
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I’m a bad data point, I had no hair loss prior to PFS.