hopeforrecovery log

[hopeforrecovery]

Hello guys!

I decided to make a blog about my next steps and protocols i will try. For people not knowing me i have PFS for almost 3 years and maybe also PSSD because i took lexapro for just 2 moinths beforte i was on finasterid. I dont really know whats gave me these bad symptoms but they were more present when i came off finasterid. These are still my symptoms:

-ED (can get only 60% hard)
-Genital numbness
-No or very soft morning erections
-Very low semen volume
-Penile shrinkage/tissue changes (hourglass form in erect state)
-Testicular shrinkage
-Testicles are always very retracted to the body
-Soft glans
-No erections without physical stimulation
-Low libido
-Numb orgasm
-Problems maintaining an erection (also with cialis)
-Emotional numbness (specially when i laugh)
-Numb nipples
-grey hairs growning
-puffy face

All the symptoms became worse in the last 3 years.

My lifestyle changes since my bad crash are:

-No smoking,alcool or drugs
-Gym training 5 times a week
-Using a vaccum pump for my penis for 10 minutes daily in combination with infrared light
-Meditation for 15 Minutes daily
-Use bicycle and not the car for going to work
-Fasting one time a week for 24 hours and water fasting for 5 days every 6 months
-Masturbate only 2 or 3 times a week (Im thinking about a nofap)

At the moment i'm taking following things daily:

-Evening primrose oil (half tablespoon with juice)
-Sorghum (80g)
-9 herbs of cdsnuts Protocol
-Iodine (on penis before going to bed)
-CDP Choline
-L-Tyrosin
-Cialis (5mg)
-Melatonan 2/PT-141

Next supplements and medicines i will add to my protocol:

-Berberine + Icariin
-DHT Titan Gel 50%
-Terminalia Chebula

These 3 were recommended by @Area-1255 . Berberine + Icariin for a PFS recovery and DHT and Terminalia to reverse my extreme penile shrinkage.

Next big treatments im thinking about to do:

-RU486 (because of my puffy face)
-PRP/P-Shot
-ESWT Shockwave therapy

I still have some appointments these next weeks in a special clinic of urologists here. They try to figure out what is causing my bad hourglass erection. Maybe they will recommend me other medicines for my shrinkage/hourglass.





Feel free to comment my protocol!
I will give you all my updates here now.

 

[Troy]

Hello guys!

I decided to make a blog about my next steps and protocols i will try. For people not knowing me i have PFS for almost 3 years and maybe also PSSD because i took lexapro for just 2 moinths beforte i was on finasterid. I dont really know whats gave me these bad symptoms but they were more present when i came off finasterid. These are still my symptoms:

-ED (can get only 60% hard)
-Genital numbness
-No or very soft morning erections
-Very low semen volume
-Penile shrinkage/tissue changes (hourglass form in erect state)
-Testicular shrinkage
-Testicles are always very retracted to the body
-Soft glans
-No erections without physical stimulation
-Low libido
-Numb orgasm
-Problems maintaining an erection (also with cialis)
-Emotional numbness (specially when i laugh)
-Numb nipples
-grey hairs growning
-puffy face

All the symptoms became worse in the last 3 years.

My lifestyle changes since my bad crash are:

-No smoking,alcool or drugs
-Gym training 5 times a week
-Using a vaccum pump for my penis for 10 minutes daily in combination with infrared light
-Meditation for 15 Minutes daily
-Use bicycle and not the car for going to work
-Fasting one time a week for 24 hours and water fasting for 5 days every 6 months
-Masturbate only 2 or 3 times a week (Im thinking about a nofap)

At the moment i'm taking following things daily:

-Evening primrose oil (half tablespoon with juice)
-Sorghum (80g)
-9 herbs of cdsnuts Protocol
-Iodine (on penis before going to bed)
-CDP Choline
-L-Tyrosin
-Cialis (5mg)
-Melatonan 2/PT-141

Next supplements and medicines i will add to my protocol:

-Berberine + Icariin
-DHT Titan Gel 50%
-Terminalia Chebula

These 3 were recommended by @Area-1255 . Berberine + Icariin for a PFS recovery and DHT and Terminalia to reverse my extreme penile shrinkage.

Next big treatments im thinking about to do:

-PRP/P-Shot
-ESWT Shockwave therapy

I still have some appointments these next weeks in a special clinic of urologists here. They try to figure out what is causing my bad hourglass erection. Maybe they will recommend me other medicines for my shrinkage/hourglass.





Feel free to comment my protocol!
I will give you all my updates here now.

I would advise against berberine and icarrin. Berberine made me worse and im pretty sure Helen wouldn’t recommend icarrin because of no issues.

 

[hopeforrecovery]

I would advise against berberine and icarrin. Berberine made me worse and im pretty sure Helen wouldn’t recommend icarrin because of no issues.

@Area-1255 has recovered his PSSD by taking berberine and icariin for 6 months daily.

 

[Troy]

For me with pfs, berberine made me worse. Up to you.

 

[joekool]

The berberine is risky as @Troy states because it actually blocks DHT's affect on prostate:

Berberine Suppresses Androgen Receptor Signaling in Prostate Cancer

I used it for 8 days prior to realizing and threw it out... though I'm not trying to contradict @Area-1255 but pssd may be a different route than PFS...

 

[MNK99]

_the lifestyle changes sound good man.
_The bigger treatments too.
_make sure to space out things well and note the stuff about berberine (I really have no idea about that). I have taken milk thistle here and there, but milk thistle +NAC I think is better, and some say don't take it at all. I didn't take it regularly for PFS, but I did months to a year after PSSD. Definitely had liver probs, it helped after that medn.
-After all that, and spacing it out... maybe, R-Andro and 4-Andro.... or ARL/TEI (for more direct/ possibly quicker solutions and major detox, as per Helen). Plus water fasting, if really really not well off. Juice feasting too ( a lot of CD protocol stuff).
-I've done most of the above (and a lot of what you are working on), minus the penile pump. But that may be something I add. Very sensitive there, and do not want to cause pain, plus it sounds like something I'd buy and then forget about... so I am waiting on that.

 

[Troy]

The berberine is risky as @Troy states because it actually blocks DHT's affect on prostate:

Berberine Suppresses Androgen Receptor Signaling in Prostate Cancer

I used it for 8 days prior to realizing and threw it out... though I'm not trying to contradict @Area-1255 but pssd may be a different route than PFS...

That explains why it fucked me over. Wish I'd known that before I made myself worse by taking herbal concoctions to try to fix my gut. If anyone wants to learn from my experience, avoid organo oil, berberine, lavender oil, thyme oil etc.

 

[joekool]

Yea man, those oils have GLA which is yet another dht inhibitor. Google: GLA dht

Here is one result

The 6 Most Powerful Natural DHT Blockers - LightTherapyDevice.com

Sucks how we have to avoid everything but believe me, I think I figured it out. I'm going to report soon.

 

[Helen]

The berberine is risky as @Troy states because it actually blocks DHT's affect on prostate:

Berberine Suppresses Androgen Receptor Signaling in Prostate Cancer

I used it for 8 days prior to realizing and threw it out... though I'm not trying to contradict @Area-1255 but pssd may be a different route than PFS...

PFS has 2 different routes also with high DHt and low DHT.


For high DHT people they have high prolactin. And need to increase the zinc finger. For low DHT they have low estrogen and need to decrease the zinc finger

Taking steroids downregulates the AR signaling. taking anti DHT like anavar, upregulates AR signaling. AR signaling = zinc cysteine.

So if some one has high DHT< they can sit on DHT and then come off , and be cured. They will feel like totall shit on DHT.


For those with low DHT. they will feel good DHT, testosterone, etc. but they will never be cured on this. They need anti DHT like anavar ,. which they will feel very bad on . and when come off. fixed.

Same thing for cases of progesterone and ella. Progesterone receptor, cortisol receptor and AR= IDENTICAL SIGNALING. SO if you fuck with one you fuck with all.


This is why you can fix and handle PFS with cortisol inducer, cortisol blocker. progesterone inducer, progesterone blocker. AR inducer, AR blocker. SINCE it is an idential receptors. EVEN Serotonin receptor i IDENTICAL to this. they all go up and down together.AT THE SAME TIME.

And this is why some people got cured from saw palmetto and some got fucked form saw palmetto. Some got cured from ella and some got fucked from ella.


Same thing with the minerals route. Some need to increase zinc cysteine, and some need to decrease zinc cysteine by things that bind it. like copper histidine.




ZInc finger theory is correct.


ALL steroid hormones have zinc finger motiff as a receptor))) except for estrogen. IT IS IDENTICAL FOR progesterone AR and cortisol. So when one signaling goes down, all go down. This is why you can screw with it from any of these routes. And that is why we see people restore on progesterone cycles, or on ella, or on dexamethasone cycles. Or on dht cycles, or on anavar cycles. or on saw palmetto cycles.


If you take something as strong as DHT, you are not increasing AR in any way or shape. IN studies they increase number of receptors from ZERO androgen levels. Meaning Low levels. SO when they introduce hormones, zinc finger gets in. But once the hormone is over the limit zinc finger gets out.

Now the things is not to get cured from PFS , but to get cured from all the stuff, since no one want to live with the hairloss. or fatty liver or other stuff.


@TubZy @Troy @bruschi11 @Admiral @Niles @Kiwiii @Goose12 @IHateFin @snowball @barbaar @Jaxx @mattyb @supernature @talkingant


Tubzy may be we can post hormonal cures for this. Like pine pollen vitex. like testosterone progesterone. LIke dexamethasone. LIke progesterone and anti progesterone. like anavar and DHt.

But you need to understand that ARL or TEI does all this precisely by not just regulating the zinc finger, but by doing all other stuff.

And hormonal routes are nothing comparing to what ARL or TEI are doing. This is why people go on ARL, and feel bad first. since they dont care how you feel, or they give you saw palmetto, but you dont take )) they give it you for a reason. to restore you and you not taking it because you know better. just prolongs your suffering.))

Hormonal route will not cure you liver, nor your hemochromatosis, nor your hairloss. it will cure the AR signaling. But then you will fuck it again. by trying to be a bodybuilder, or trying to solve the hairloss, or by trying to improve skin LOL

It is a never ending process. like on RPF. You fix one thing, fuck another.

 

[health]

But then you will fuck it again. by trying to be a bodybuilder,

This described a big chunk of my life so well, that I couldn't resist laughing

 

[Helen]

@RebelWithACause this is why I do also, I dont take anything. I fast and swim in the sea. this is my program

ARL and TEI are short term balance to get out of bad shit.

You need to undertsand that the food is bad everywhere, and it has hormones and plus people dont have a good life style.


Look like they are 20 , when they are 50? LOL people are extremely sick, and dont have access to the sea. like you and I.

If you have access to the sea, then fast and sea. That will fix you.

I have a friend who moved to Cyprus. Swims all the time and fasted with me. Unfornunately , could not fix his POIS this way. Even after years of doing this stuff/

And then did fix it with minerals and vitamins , really high doses.

 

[RebelWithACause]

@RebelWithACause this is why I do also, I dont take anything. I fast and swim in the sea. this is my program

ARL and TEI are short term balance to get out of bad shit.

You need to undertsand that the food is bad everywhere, and it has hormones and plus people dont have a good life style.


Look like they are 20 , when they are 50? LOL people are extremely sick, and dont have access to the sea. like you and I.

If you have access to the sea, then fast and sea. That will fix you.

I have a friend who moved to Cyprus. Swims all the time and fasted with me. Unfornunately , could not fix his POIS this way. Even after years of doing this stuff/

And then did fix it with minerals and vitamins , really high doses.

I deleted my post.

OK I understand. I guess using TEI and ARL for short amount of time is not bad. Maybe he should of eated natural animal food (quality). It contains all minerals and vitamins. That is just my idea.

It might take longer. But it is safer I think.

It is true food is bad. But there are options. Go to small farmer for example. Even grain fed beef is not that much different from grass fed beef in terms of fat composition (PUFA).

I look around me today and I see people looking very bad everywhere. It is crazy if you really watch it. Look at their diet: grains, grains, grains, grains, grains, no protein, no fats.

I got the fasting and swimming from you obviously. But I like that a lot. I also like adding the animal fats and proteins.

We will see how I do in a few months. If it did not work I will go for synthetic route (ARL & TEI).

 

[Helen]

I deleted my post.

OK I understand. I guess using TEI and ARL for short amount of time is not bad. Maybe he should of eated natural animal food (quality). It contains all minerals and vitamins. That is just my idea.

It might take longer. But it is safer I think.

It is true food is bad. But there are options. Go to small farmer for example. Even grain fed beef is not that much different from grass fed beef in terms of fat composition (PUFA).

I look around me today and I see people looking very bad everywhere. It is crazy if you really watch it. Look at their diet: grains, grains, grains, grains, grains, no protein, no fats.

Dude, these people take hormones constantly , I tell them always to go natural route, but they have no time for that.

people dont look bad because of diets)) people look bad, since they dont move.

If you sit and dont move and eat. you just get overmineralized. You sit and you eat eat eat, this makes you iron toxic eventually.

Athletes lack nutrition and even if they eat crap, they will totally metabolize this crap.

This is why I prefer to fast and take B vitamins with aminos acids. and swim in the sea. SO I dont take minerals at all.

I get minerals from the sea.

People need to move, all the time

And the best cure is FAST and swim at the same time. I fast for 65 days sometimes and I swim every single day of that fast. 2-5 km

 

[Helen]

@RebelWithACause Is it cold to swim in Holland?

 

[RebelWithACause]

@RebelWithACause Is it cold to swim in Holland?

No it is hot weather right now. So temperature is good. But I also swam in the winter and I did not feel my legs anymore. How is it in Cyprus?

I also took hormones. But it made me learn a lesson. Don't fuck with nature. I made mistake twice now and there is not going to be a third time.

 

[Helen]

No it is hot weather right now. So temperature is good. But I also swam in the winter and I did not feel my legs anymore. How is it in Cyprus?

It is like milk in Cyprus.

 

[bruschi11]

I've been swimming in sea quite a bit 2-3 days a week. Not gonna lie I've been getting the "shark scares" a bit lately lol.

I love it, my back muscles are widening and I'm not lifting weights at all recently.

When I first started reading @Helen and started to get an understanding of his preachings, I figured you'd balance for a month then take 4-6 weeks of nothing. Balance again for a month then 4-6 weeks of nothing. Maybe just shilajit and digestive support during those 4-6 weeks.

That was my understanding of his ideals when I started getting into it.

Lets look at @Raincoast . He didn't particularly go all in on ARL. He used the minerals sparingly like every few days correct? 2 or 3 ARL doses per week I believe it was while filling the zinc finger with aminos etc.

While natural is the way we want to be, these things like ARL, TEI are necessary probably for a majority of us in order to put system in a place where it can remove its own systemic imbalances like PFS. But they don't have to part of an on-going non-stop process.

 

[TubZy]

PFS has 2 different routes also with high DHt and low DHT.


For high DHT people they have high prolactin. And need to increase the zinc finger. For low DHT they have low estrogen and need to decrease the zinc finger

Taking steroids downregulates the AR signaling. taking anti DHT like anavar, upregulates AR signaling. AR signaling = zinc cysteine.

So if some one has high DHT< they can sit on DHT and then come off , and be cured. They will feel like totall shit on DHT.


For those with low DHT. they will feel good DHT, testosterone, etc. but they will never be cured on this. They need anti DHT like anavar ,. which they will feel very bad on . and when come off. fixed.

Same thing for cases of progesterone and ella. Progesterone receptor, cortisol receptor and AR= IDENTICAL SIGNALING. SO if you fuck with one you fuck with all.


This is why you can fix and handle PFS with cortisol inducer, cortisol blocker. progesterone inducer, progesterone blocker. AR inducer, AR blocker. SINCE it is an idential receptors. EVEN Serotonin receptor i IDENTICAL to this. they all go up and down together.AT THE SAME TIME.

And this is why some people got cured from saw palmetto and some got fucked form saw palmetto. Some got cured from ella and some got fucked from ella.


Same thing with the minerals route. Some need to increase zinc cysteine, and some need to decrease zinc cysteine by things that bind it. like copper histidine.




ZInc finger theory is correct.


ALL steroid hormones have zinc finger motiff as a receptor))) except for estrogen. IT IS IDENTICAL FOR progesterone AR and cortisol. So when one signaling goes down, all go down. This is why you can screw with it from any of these routes. And that is why we see people restore on progesterone cycles, or on ella, or on dexamethasone cycles. Or on dht cycles, or on anavar cycles. or on saw palmetto cycles.


If you take something as strong as DHT, you are not increasing AR in any way or shape. IN studies they increase number of receptors from ZERO androgen levels. Meaning Low levels. SO when they introduce hormones, zinc finger gets in. But once the hormone is over the limit zinc finger gets out.

Now the things is not to get cured from PFS , but to get cured from all the stuff, since no one want to live with the hairloss. or fatty liver or other stuff.


@TubZy @Troy @bruschi11 @Admiral @Niles @Kiwiii @Goose12 @IHateFin @snowball @barbaar @Jaxx @mattyb @supernature @talkingant


Tubzy may be we can post hormonal cures for this. Like pine pollen vitex. like testosterone progesterone. LIke dexamethasone. LIke progesterone and anti progesterone. like anavar and DHt.

But you need to understand that ARL or TEI does all this precisely by not just regulating the zinc finger, but by doing all other stuff.

And hormonal routes are nothing comparing to what ARL or TEI are doing. This is why people go on ARL, and feel bad first. since they dont care how you feel, or they give you saw palmetto, but you dont take )) they give it you for a reason. to restore you and you not taking it because you know better. just prolongs your suffering.))

Hormonal route will not cure you liver, nor your hemochromatosis, nor your hairloss. it will cure the AR signaling. But then you will fuck it again. by trying to be a bodybuilder, or trying to solve the hairloss, or by trying to improve skin LOL

It is a never ending process. like on RPF. You fix one thing, fuck another.

Well I think people just get DHT and estrogen checked first if u are trying to go that route.

Also, CDnuts is cured and has used hormones/steroids again and recovered fine from them (I.e. no pfs relapse) however he is didn't solve his hair loss issue (not that he cares). I'm not saying its fine to use steroids after being cured from pfs lol just in general

 

[heygate]

@RebelWithACause this is why I do also, I dont take anything. I fast and swim in the sea. this is my program

ARL and TEI are short term balance to get out of bad shit.

You need to undertsand that the food is bad everywhere, and it has hormones and plus people dont have a good life style.


Look like they are 20 , when they are 50? LOL people are extremely sick, and dont have access to the sea. like you and I.

If you have access to the sea, then fast and sea. That will fix you.

I have a friend who moved to Cyprus. Swims all the time and fasted with me. Unfornunately , could not fix his POIS this way. Even after years of doing this stuff/

And then did fix it with minerals and vitamins , really high doses.

Were these minerals and vitamins your friend used through ARL or tei? Or did you help him balance? ...what's that other programmee called where they do a bunch of bloods and give you a programme? Think it was mentioned somewhere the other day ..

 

[Helen]

Were these minerals and vitamins your friend used through ARL or tei? Or did you help him balance? ...what's that other programmee called where they do a bunch of bloods and give you a programme? Think it was mentioned somewhere the other day ..

Nutreval , genova diagonistics.