How do people do on SOYA

[Helen]

many people feel better on SOYA in PFS on propeciahelp. It does not cure anything, but some people feel better on it

Since if DHT is too strong, estrogen action is too little.

I wonder how many people feel btter on soy or worse.

Propecia help is divided on this, some feel like complete crap on it and some feel good.

Since we do have hairtests, it would be nice to know how some people reacted to it when they took it. and match it with the hairtest


All this stuff comes back to HDAC inhibitors that we discussed millions of time.


taking HDAC inhibitor= TAKING DHT. This downregulates a NUMBER AND DENSITY of androgen receptors

This is why taking Vitamin B1 plus HDAC inhibitors( sulphoraphane , butyrate , soya , etc) = taking huge doses of DHT. which I used to get cured.


Another way to do this is to take NADPH oxidase inhibitor for people who have high dht and test. since those people have upregulated G6pd enzyme

NADPH oxidase inhibitor will force the body to downregulate all hormones which were inhibited by FIN.

 

[tallglass13]

I like soy. I get a Soy latte from Starbucks. I usually get a libido boost from it. Dr. Lin says that soy helps the liver and help increase DHEA. I don't know if that is true. Starbucks uses Organic Vanilla Soymilk.

 

[RebelWithACause]

I can try it this weekend. Will let you know. I can chug down some soy milk. Never thought it would come to this. A certified SOYBOY.

 

[tallglass13]

Okanawian's have been using soy for thousands of years. Apparently the original diet contained 12% soy.

 

[MNK99]

Some soyboys fine when your estrogen is zero and are a rageholic , maybe some estrogen needed.

 

[Jaxx]

Made me think about this guy
Cure PFS and Accutane Side Effects: February 2018

 

[bruschi11]

Made me think about this guy
Cure PFS and Accutane Side Effects: February 2018

Yup me too.

 

[Admiral]

I will add soy to my diet and see what it does to me or my next hair test. I've avoided it like the plague as dr Wilson mentioned it is slightly toxic to the liver.

 

[bruschi11]

Made me think about this guy
Cure PFS and Accutane Side Effects: February 2018

Side effects due to an decreased prostate caused by Propecia?! UPDATED - New approach

This guy used quercetin standalone. Quercetin helped @Cdsnuts who I think had very similar system to mine. It balances TH1/th2 in TH2 dominant immune systems like mine.

So very interesting how ihatefin uses with soy. Something I’d be interested in trying when time comes (one more 9 day fast coming up. And refeed.)

 

[Helen]

Side effects due to an decreased prostate caused by Propecia?! UPDATED - New approach

This guy used quercetin standalone. Quercetin helped @Cdsnuts who I think had very similar system to mine. It balances TH1/th2 in TH2 dominant immune systems like mine.

So very interesting how ihatefin uses with soy. Something I’d be interested in trying when time comes (one more 9 day fast coming up. And refeed.)

NADPH oxidase inhibitor balances th1 th2.

 

[Helen]

@bruschi11 if you have lyme. disease balancing th1 th2 ratio with anything but urine, or arginase inhibitor is not going to work.

Lyme makes arginase and takes your immune system and turns of it off.

 

[bruschi11]

@bruschi11 if you have lyme. disease balancing th1 th2 ratio with anything but urine, or arginase inhibitor is not going to work.

Lyme makes arginase and takes your immune system and turns of it off.

I start another 7-9 day water fast with urine injections on Friday. I was doing really well post fast for a couple weeks- got the flu and tried to heal it with hydrogen peroxide in ears.

Ammonia symptoms came back after h202 bad. I can feel ammonia like I understand what symptoms I get when it comes back. It came back after hydrogen peroxide.

Norvaline I tried post fast and it felt like increased ammonia big time. Which was Lyme dying and feeling bad from it. But gotta get body chemistry back to good, low ammonia atmosphere where I can try that again.

That all said, I’m just looking at pfs right now. Just a sports fan watching you guys go at it and talk about it. And I just read that whole cytochrome log I posted a few posts up. Cdsnuts speaks about it from post 52 to 125 or so quite a bit. It helped him a lot it seems.

Would there be a reason why quercetin could help soy as depicted by the link @Jaxx posted?

 

[bruschi11]

NADPH oxidase inhibitor balances th1 th2.

Wow interesting.

 

[wuf]

I always noticed a boost when I do consume soy.

 

[tanedout]

Made me think about this guy
Cure PFS and Accutane Side Effects: February 2018

That's interesting that he can reverse his accutane sides with this combo - has anyone tried this?

For the SQSB protocol I would typically take:

-1 tablespoon of soy flour
-2 pills of quercetin
-1 pill of sodium butyrate

 

[Helen]

That's interesting that he can reverse his accutane sides with this combo - has anyone tried this?

He did not reverse anything. he is still sick with PFS years later.


Sodium butyrate is HDAC inhibitor.

 

[gaivs]

One of the the first things that I tried in my pfs journey was soy combined with zinc, following Dr. Lin ideas. In the beggining it worked well, this combination seems to boost testosterone or something, but then i added other things like tribulus and crashed hard. I tried soy alone and with zinc other times but it was never the same after this crash. I don't know if you need more time but in short periods soy alone doesn't have great effects and soy + zinc was not good for me last time, the mental sides got worse. But as far as I remember I didn't feel bad with soy alone.

 

[vicecaz]

when I consume Tofu or Natto my skin is more oily, but that's about it

 

[Shanks]

Question. Because of my TEI rec i have to cut out Milk(products) almost completely. So i am looking at SOYA for an additional protein intake. Is it save to eat or what are the best products made out of SOYA?

I am askin because on my Ray Peat journeys last year i found his "WARNING" about soyproducts:
Natural Estrogens