How much has ARL/TEI helped you?

[Helen]

SO basically finasteride speeds up metabolism for slow oxidizer, BODY regulates all enzymes as metabolism is FASTER, then you quit finasteride the metabolism INCREASER

and you crash, since now there is no metabolism INCREASER finasteride present. but enzymes work still as metabolism is fast and you are still taking finasteride.

So to get rid of finasteride effect you need anti finasteride effect. This effect will feel like total CRAP. since you will be slowing down already slow metabolism.

But may be that is the way to do it.


Also the big question in this situation is , IS the body ABLE to dump copper out of the cell without having enough metallothionine at all.


Also another possibility is the same with calcium, since FASTER metabolism when taking drugs, requires something to slow it down, either calcium or copper.

or even copper causing enhanced calcium absorption by raising prolactin.

So it could be either calcified cell, or extra copper in the cell. Both of these problem will cause the same outcome.

 

[Helen]

This explains why people who go on progestins, like finasteride or nandrolone, etc feel cured in the sweet spot. like JAck 17 he went on finasteride and started to lose weight right away. since finasteride was speeding up his metabolism

 

[Helen]

@tanedout I think what predisposes people to PFS is lack of and low MT enzymes. people might have been toxic in some other minerals and metals, their MT enzymes zinc and cysteine were induced, also. thus they were losing hair.

and here they took finasteride, which could have put copper into the cell.

and now they quit finasteride and they simply have no way to get rid of that metal out of the cell, since they already had original problem with MT

This is why some people recover from PFS and some don't


And this is why this Luis guy talks about zinc and accutane.

 

[TubZy]

I think so as well. I think it will definitely help anyone to get healthier, especially when you add in the diet and healthy lifestyle, hence the progression some are having. It won't cure PFS nor has NB cured anyone here where in fact we have tons trialling TEI/ARL. I will be convinced once someone with low androgens is cured and has normal blood levels to proof it.

If you don't want to do NB and are desperate you should try RU again based on the study I posted which was a high dose for 7 days to reset the system. I'm sure you can get it easily in your country

 

[TubZy]

Can’t remember the users name, but it was on this forum about a year or so ago. He got dietary recommendations, but nothing for supplements, and his mineral ratios were all pretty good. I’ll have a search later

I don't remember seeing it or even heard of no supplements before but would definitely be willing to check it out when/if you find it

 

[bruschi11]

@Boris @Admiral and if RU isn’t treating you that well maybe try to cycle prog after too in low doses like 1-7mg. I think you need an anti-prolactin with it like l-dopa no matter who you are.

 

[Helen]

@Boris @Admiral and if RU isn’t treating you that well maybe try to cycle prog after too in low doses like 1-7mg. I think you need an anti-prolactin with it like l-dopa no matter who you are.

No , the idea of RU and Ella which I suggested in the beginning is to have antiprogesterone effect. Meaning you take those, it tanks your metabolism and potassium and you feel like crap. but this forces the body to get rid of copper from the cell, and to upregulate thyroid .

Obviously none of this happens in 3 days.

Also the big question is WILL the body be able to get rid of copper without MT( metallothionien), because if it could, it would have done it on its own when you quit the drug and I guess those people who have ok MT, don't get PFS

 

[Admiral]

Not sure RU fixed anyone here. I thought Ella had a better track record, though it did nothing for me.

RU also made a few of us worse. It's too risky, especially high dose. I do have two pills laying around, but maybe as a last resort somewhere down the line.

 

[TubZy]

Not sure RU fixed anyone here. I thought Ella had a better track record, though it did nothing for me.

RU also made a few of us worse. It's too risky, especially high dose. I do have two pills laying around, but maybe as a last resort somewhere down the line.

You need way more than that, high dose is 400mg+ everyday for 7 days straight to fully reset the system. I don't know anyone that tried that strategy here. We all tried lower doses for short periods of time maybe not enough to permanently do anything idk. I'm just going by what the study says. You are right it is risky just like everything else besides NB.

 

[Helen]

You need way more than that, high dose is 400mg+ everyday for 7 days straight to fully reset the system. I don't know anyone that tried that strategy here. We all tried lower doses for short periods of time maybe not enough to permanently do anything idk. I'm just going by what the study says. You are right it is risky just like everything else besides NB.

Also cortisol supplements for slow oxidizer should be doing the same. as Ella.

 

[TubZy]

Also cortisol supplements for slow oxidizer should be doing the same. as Ella.

are there any studies showing the effectiveness of ella based on dosing and timeline though?

 

[Helen]

@Boris it would be a lot more clear when Jack tests his blood

Actually we have people constantly taking finasteride now. if those would be willing to get tests done, it would be amazing. Since they cycle finasteride and not just take it all the time. So we can see pretty much everything what it does.

like cortisol , inslulin , progesterone, estrogens regulation effected by finasteride.

It is so stupid that those researchers, dont just test people cycling finasteride and see right away may be in a week, what it does exactly and how.

We have people actually cycling fin now, so I hope @hairsuit @PFStinks @Jack17 any of you agree to get tested to see what it does to hormonal system

 

[bruschi11]

I’m just talking from my experience. RU legit made my dick start popping at night pretty immediately. But when I cycled progesterone afterward was when libido and more erections came.

Would be interesting to see high dose RU. Just that 7 day experiment and nothing else.

This would be best for someone with higher cortisol / fast oxidizer correct @Helen ?

 

[Helen]

I’m just talking from my experience. RU legit made my dick start popping at night pretty immediately. But when I cycled progesterone afterward was when libido and more erections came.

Would be interesting to see high dose RU. Just that 7 day experiment and nothing else.

This would be best for someone with higher cortisol / fast oxidizer correct @Helen ?

right Bruschi, same as cortisol supplements, they kill metabolism, kill potassium, I guess body has to upregulate thyroid in that case. and also get rid of copper.

and then when you quit cortisol supplements, you will be low on potassium and you will have high progesterone. until body retains potassium

So it will take 2 months. until potassium is retained and progesterone is actually lower.


Same thing with RU. RU kills metabolism. this pushes copper out of the cell, and should upregulate the thyroid.

then you go on progesterone and retain potassium with it. but I guess, if you take too much of it. you can put too much copper into the cell again along with potassium


but in any case, I think it is best if @hairsuit , fast oxidizer with low DHT, and @Jack17 ,( slow oxidizer) with high DHT. agree to get tested since they are taking finasteride and we will see how it effects slow and fast oxidizer differently or the same

 

[TubZy]

@Boris it would be a lot more clear when Jack tests his blood

Actually we have people constantly taking finasteride now. if those would be willing to get tests done, it would be amazing. Since they cycle finasteride and not just take it all the time. So we can see pretty much everything what it does.

like cortisol , inslulin , progesterone, estrogens regulation effected by finasteride.

It is so stupid that those researchers, dont just test people cycling finasteride and see right away may be in a week, what it does exactly and how.

We have people actually cycling fin now, so I hope @hairsuit @PFStinks @Jack17 any of you agree to get tested to see what it does to hormonal system

I agree, @Jack17 has already agreed to test prog next week and I hope @hairsuit @PFStinks will follow and get some tests done as well. Will really help out a lot so we can see what is going on.

Yeah, the researchers not testing more frequently is just straight up retarded. Seems they only give a shit about DHT and that was it

 

[TubZy]

No , the idea of RU and Ella which I suggested in the beginning is to have antiprogesterone effect. Meaning you take those, it tanks your metabolism and potassium and you feel like crap. but this forces the body to get rid of copper from the cell, and to upregulate thyroid .

Obviously none of this happens in 3 days.

Also the big question is WILL the body be able to get rid of copper without MT( metallothionien), because if it could, it would have done it on its own when you quit the drug and I guess those people who have ok MT, don't get PFS

Agreed. I was going to try to high dose RU for a week to match the study a long time ago but couldn't justify spending close to $2K just to experiment with it since the online pharmacies are so expensive. Most people here can get it within their countries cheap.

 

[Helen]

Agreed. I was going to try to high dose RU for a week to match the study a long time ago but couldn't justify spending close to $2K just to experiment with it since the online pharmacies are so expensive. Most people here can get it within their countries cheap.

just go to russian pharmacy in NYC and ask them to order it for you, as a variant.

 

[Walker]

Agreed. I was going to try to high dose RU for a week to match the study a long time ago but couldn't justify spending close to $2K just to experiment with it since the online pharmacies are so expensive. Most people here can get it within their countries cheap.

As close as you are to being done with the beast, I wouldn’t risk anything like that at this point. But that’s just me lol.

 

[TubZy]

As close as you are to being done with the beast, I wouldn’t risk anything like that at this point. But that’s just me lol.

Lol I'm not doing I'm trying to get one of these other guys to try it especially ones that don't want to do NB right now. If they did it and felt totally cured it would probably be worth the money lol the only reason I say that is that I felt cured on RU for a short period of time when I tried it

 

[gaivs]

Also cortisol supplements for slow oxidizer should be doing the same. as Ella.

What do you mean by cortisol supplements?