How to prevent a young man from taking Propecia

[Ivy]

Guys,

One of my male cousins was just prescribed this shit. I've explained to him vehemently why he shouldn't take that route. He's an extemely fit (thin and muscular) soccer coach and I fear he might be overdoing his workouts while undereating. Hair still looks pretty good, dry, dark blond, just thinning above the forehead, on each side.

What is the best advice you can offer in terms of lifestyle and nutrition?

 

[barbaar]

Maybe show him the stories of the people on this forum? If that doesn't scare him away I don't know what will.

 

[MNK99]

Tell him that surgery is a solution, with money and proper timing and proper selection of surgeon, and the correct age.
WIth zero chance of being suicidal for 5 months straight 247.

He probably has decent hair. I had more hair than a lot of girls, after losing like 20-30%. Not bragging (I have less now), and this drug definitely wasn't worth it.
I find it's often (but not always), people with pretty good amounts/quality hair that worry the most, bc it feels like part of their identity. Not always the case, but at times.

Also yes, balancing with ARL will be magnitudes safer.

 

[TubZy]

Maybe tell him he hair is thinning due to an unbalanced metabolism, could be worth getting a hair test done to see where he is at.

Also, just point him to the countless logs here.

 

[Ivy]

I've scared him enough. I know I can't persuade him to take a hairtest, so I'm looking for simpler actions he could implement.

 

[MNK99]

Tell him one of the biggest hair-surgeon-shills there are (he's a sub-par surgeon, though popular bc he's a propecia mouthpiece), he says "He would be comfortable telling his son/family member to take it, if he experienced hair loss." His son does not take that drug. Dr. William Rassman, He himself does. Family medicine is the easiest thing to get into (still pretty hard in Canada), but they're not exactly rocket scientists. They have no business in endocrinology, psychology, neurology, -- all things that propecia can easily ruin. If it was a G.P. that prescribed it.

If I had family/friends that actually cared / I could trust/ knew enough, they would have given me better advice or listened and I would have succeeded more than ever before all of 2017, instead of what happened. 10,000 for a hair transplant would be pocket change. There are guys who looked like male models, who have had their entire face change.

If that doesn't prevent a young man from not taking propecia, nothing will. It's a drug that simply (for the most part) should not exist. Targeted drugs don't cause major disorders. People recover from crystal meth and heroin easier than this (some people).

If this site was here 8-10 mo earlier, I'd be on here telling people what I did to solve PSSD, and working on other serious issues, rather than spending time trying to fix pfs (which is worth it, but time is money).

 

[IHateFin]

tell him to take 0.04mg a day at most of that poison if he is adamant. i thought i was indestructible, but i found out quickly i am not after this shit. at this dose dht will be inhibited, but 5beta reductase should be untouched and it wont inhibit dht by the usual 80% so he could possibly be okay. this dose is about 1/20th of a 1mg pill so he can work this up by putting 2.5 pills in a 50ml water solution and taking 1ml a day or something. if this works he can stop his super slow hairloss, not get pfs potentially and save a fuck ton of money cuz this will last him forever lol

but i would say try ldn or like coconut oil or something first for hairloss before fin

 

[MNK99]

Yes @IHateFin, various events in life made me feel indestructible too - and quickly I became very weak and extremely confused and my personality eroded, while on fin. I was basically a completely different person. And I already went thru something extremely similar in the past, so it was beyond traumatizing. I didn't only feel indestructible, I was and will be again despite these mofos.

If not for impatience I would have waited to get 1mg pills rather than 5mg (and cutting it imperfectly to ~1.25mg). I would have used an ultra low dose. I know docs that use dutasteride(a horrendous drug) at a very low dose like every 2-3 weeks. It was early January, and I was arguing with my former school/in process of applying to professional school/looking for work, so I wanted to save time - huge mistake.

Spiro cream (also probably bad) - never caused me an issue (3.5yrs). If he must try something, it should be anything else besides fin, duta, and ru58841, etc.

 

[bruschi11]

I wish I took pictures of my penis and ballsack at their worst to keep people from taking it lol

 

[IHateFin]

I wish I took pictures of my penis and ballsack at their worst to keep people from taking it lol

lol this may be a bit far, but would definitely get the point across hahaha
theres nothing better than having a dependable functioning penis

 

[aztec]

Just slap his ass across the face and problem solved

 

[MNK99]

I was thinking that... If a friend slapped me before, for sure - I'd be down and thank them.

 

[MNK99]

Also get him to login to propecia help or solvepfs... and see the terrible stuff there. That stuff should scare most sane people.
Also inform him that MOST (not all forums) despite being filled with nonsense, have some truth to them. There are lawyers on PH that had practices for 17yrs
and starved themselves to try and commit suicide. People that resorted to hardcore drugs, and also had suicide attempts.

A fucking hair "medicine" should not do that. It's psychological torture to a lot of people. Tell him to imagine 1+ years of his young life being destroyed.
@Ivy.

Also it isn't just dumb people who are ignorant, but also "smart" people too. PhD's, Doctors, "Professionals" have had PFS.
It can be the single worst mistake a male can make, that and other meds. Literally spending time in prison would have been less of a waste of time than
dealing with the aftermath of my first and second post-drug disorder.

Like HIV/AIDS - it doesn't discriminate.

This product is from the same company that laughed in internal emails, about women suffering jawbone death from Osteoporosis drugs, calling victims a pig.
If karma is real, for all those suicides - they deserve something worse.

 

[TubZy]

I've scared him enough. I know I can't persuade him to take a hairtest, so I'm looking for simpler actions he could implement.

Send him the link for the experimental hair loss thread here, plenty of options to try before fin

 

[Ivy]

I'll be asking him if a) he took steroids or other substances and b) if there are any other symptoms alongside the fast shedding. Is there anything I should be suspicious of?

@TubZy thanks, but I can't possibly expect him to do that amount of homework. Either I chew down everything on my own and pass it on to him (which is tricky, because I'm a female, therefore can't really self-test many of the options) or I'll be losing the battle, I'm afraid.

 

[noprop]

Just tell him that even transgender take finasteride. Tell him if he wants to be possibly impotent just to hair issues.
Hair but no sex.
No hair but possible sex.
Jason Stathsm, Michael Jordan and many others did not take that shit, they knew why!

Heath Ledger and Robin Williams took fin - we know how it ended.

Anyway, if he doesn't want to understand that problem, you cannot help him.

I wish I had all the information 20 years ago we do have today. Never would I have touched a single pill. Never.
Good luck.

 

[bruschi11]

Also inform him that MOST (not all forums) despite being filled with nonsense, have some truth to them. There are lawyers on PH that had practices for 17yrs
and starved themselves to try and commit suicide. People that resorted to hardcore drugs, and also had suicide attempts.
.

Whose the lawyer on PH that tried to starve himself?

 

[MNK99]

I blocked the site, but checked on google, and found it's Anonymous1968. I rem telling my family after Effexor Mania etc, that it not only ruined me (a "messed up kid" at the time), but would easily ruin a professional's life, marriage, career, whatever. Same thing with PFS. Not always but it definitely can.

 

[noprop]

I blocked the site, but checked on google, and found it's Anonymous1968. I rem telling my family after Effexor Mania etc, that it not only ruined me (a "messed up kid" at the time), but would easily ruin a professional's life, marriage, career, whatever. Same thing with PFS. Not always but it definitely can.

Yes, it is him. He even got ataxia. If I unerstood well, he even wanted to buy a gun. Yes, propecia kills.
Merck gives a fuck about it. They might even find it cool, don't know.

 

[MNK99]

@noprop,

Merck gives a fuck about it. They might even find it cool, don't know.

The sick fucks.
-Just like Psychiatry hiding the findings that on net: Antidepressant do no more than placebo and are extremely harmful.
-Same with anticonvulsants (AEDs) used as mood stabilizes, hiding the facts that they can cause SJS and TENS syndromes (these syndromes are complete nightmares).
-The other mood stabilizers (2nd gen AAPs) nowadays are all chemical-straight-jackets and decrease I.Q. while on them.

-Later, they're like "yeah, we don't know without testing... now we can avoid it." The most common admissions for these syndromes include Carbamazepine and Lamotrigine.
-Same with Lithium's obviously harmful affects on kidneys and thyroid and metabolic disorders. And also obvious insulin resistance from nearly all psyche medications.
-Then the "geniuses" who write the DSM - make up new disorders like BPIV and SCT (sluggish cognitive tempo disorder), and borderline personality, treatment-resistant depression, which people get stuck with as "labels", when nothing else works.
-Most personality disorders seem like nonsense. NPD is probably real, but I doubt meds work for that. This is like MK-Ultra experiments.

Note:
-Certain disorders do have actual reductions in cerebrum, and grey and white matter (Bipolar looks that way) -- anterior cingulate cortex. And ADHD for total volume of some area.
-BUT, the meds cause a type of brain damage/ brain alteration.
-Not to scare anyone, mostly this won't affect most people, and short-term use of meds is likely reversible. But, the scans referenced in studies doesn't show anywhere near the whole picture and often studies ignore the damage that drugs cause. Meanwhile, drugs that work are demonized and banned, thanks to the "War on Drugs", DEA, Media, and Big-Pharma, and hysteria (Dexedrine, Benzos, Steroids, etc). Not a chance in hell I'd leave my issues outside of PFS to any ordinary psychologist/psychiatrist nor anyone who is a loose cannon with their rx-pad.