I screwed up guys big time

[RebelWithACause]

I thought I had high DHT came back low normal.

 

[MNK99]

--Yeah it can be really different than what we think. --I'll try getting some damn tests again just for completeness. ***It's fucking annoying***, but if endo is open 7 or 8 or 9am...
--I'll do it one day.... soon enough...

 

[MNK99]

-- Not forever/ I've gotten back on track mostly. BUT for me, I gotta be out on own. Literally 6mo on own, my life goes to like 80% good. --same here now/
-- If we took it like 18 yrs, and it destroyed our practice and marriage and can't see our kids, and bankrupt or something then sure, but we don't need to let it change our
-- whole life direction, at least not in a negative way, which I'm sure you know. And I understand what you're saying bro @RebelWithACause .
-They are surely retarded drugs, accutane, Fin*, etc.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Helen must have looked at my Facebook possibly... I'm feeling a little jittery today and my skin feels cold I'm getting Goosebumps while I'm working normally I'm nice and warm, not feeling as confident as I normally do... However my libido is pretty good... Man, I can't believe I actually put that stuff back in my body... Obviously when you look at the internet and see before and after pictures you think that that could be you one day if you follow the regimen... Also what sucks is people saying they don't get side effects... But if you think about it even if you don't get side effects taking the stuff forever would probably be very bad for the liver and your whole system... what is really scary is how it screws with your brain that's the scariest part... I'm normally a very positive man, can be arrogant and cocky at times... But geez, this stuff totally can put you in a depressive State anxiety... Hopefully everything will go back to normal in a few weeks if not sooner... According to dr. Lynn you have to detox your liver and use nitric oxide enhancers like Arginine to get everything back

I think most dudes experience some type of side effect. Some more than others.

I used to say the same when I was on finasteride. But I was deluding myself. I wanted hair so bad I'd rather fool myself (and the world).

From day 1 I experienced extreme brainfog and more anxiety. But I could deal with it.

On Avodart you lower DHT even more.

Plus this guy (doctor) is on testosterone which lowers DHT even more. He probably has close to zero DHT.

I still had a sex life on finasteride but man did it change me. Don't listen to doctors too much. They are often delusional in their capabilities because they have a Dr. title. They love controlling people and being authority on something. But if you look at what they actually know it is not much.

 

[MNK99]

- Me too on fin... just worse and worse 20 d 50 d 100d, had sex several times, and it hurt. AND i was so dumb and busy/ that the next day or 2... I ignored it (pretty hard to ignore)... I knew I was about to get sick or was already sick, but I had commitments and random shyt I had to do, so could not focus on it, esp till I came back home.
- Hard to fast and stuff/ when you (need*** to go, cannot say no with best friends or family... now I can, but couldn't then for sure at that point) - for trips, bachelor parties, etc.
--People thought I was nervous about applications or surgery, or something else -- way worse than that. It's natural to be nervous about those things/ no I knew I was developing PFS -- and had no idea how to fix it.
-And as far as research online showed... SPFS and PH --> made it look like a death sentence or near it.
-And then there was brainfog immediately. Super sharp and Active ---> more inactive --> can't make appointments --> labotomy, pretty quick.
-People thought couldn't stand bc of surgery... sure that's true for 4-7 days, but not 2 weeks, 2months, 4mo etc... Then they thought I was just being crazy.
-But now I can tell em all off, but also thanks for being there.
-Brainfog after quitting? Well I get lost all the time, or walk 4mi past my target if I have time or something else comes up, I couldn't even buy groceries, every interaction with any random or even friends was fucking bizzarre.
-When 2 weeks before and 8mo later, and Feb and NOw.... I make everyone laugh and charm the entire room - and leave on a high note usually.
--It was fucking brutal and scary to Feel like... I have some crazy non understood syndrome/ illness AGAIN*. [PSSD before, and hypomania/hyperactivity went to straight MANIA early 20s for a time from EFFEXOR XR].
-Personality slowly slipped then was gone.
-People saw me on trips back to downtown Toronto in March June and Last Week (October 2018), and they all say look the same as always mostly, and also: "You're much bigger" (working out), etc.
-One of my best friends was very happy with my progress.

-So if mental and brain fog was 8/10 severity while on it weeks, it was like 10 11 1000/10 soon after quitting it, and for a long long time. 6-9months and often straight.
-PROBABLY* I did improve a tiny bit just by TIME alone. However, Fasting kicked recovery into gear.
-If there was a *clinic for water fasting* easily available and nearby me, and they could explain things better to family, etc... I'd be 80 and 90% sooner, but I am thankful for sure.
-It's hard to be resourceful, and self sufficient, and like how you normally are (after years of making your life), when in that state/ right during and after the neuro-endocrine crash.

 

[MNK99]

-- In short, Gotta do you.
-- Docs in general do not give a fuck.
-- The ones that do... will admit they don't know.
-- How many docs have you guys gone to that admit this*?
-- I know few who do. The rest are Narcissistic as fuck. Even talk shyt to me about trading or econ, when they know 0-5% max. Or other things, lifting, when I outlifted them at 18 coming from obesity like 2 yrs before that if not actually that was solved in 7months at 16. Maybe it was 9, but mostly gains (fat loss, muscle gain) were 2-3 quarters/yr.
-- Family docs, etc... know jack shit.
-- Seeing a neuroscientist or neurosurgeon, or similar, you might get some good information, but "resolution advice", it's gotta be self directed and thru HS and similar.
-- Basically for PFS/ PSSD, here - Hackstasis. Sure in the future there will be more... but the thing is we have to work with what we have, and if we got this 10yrs ago,
-- That would be catastrophic, we could be on SOLVEpfs or similar years, mostly I don't think I would, but this extreme discipline came out of necessity before and after Fin.

---- EDIT: Nov. 20 2018.
-SEe you didn't screw up big time, man @tallglass13. You're a good looking guy/ hair or no hair. Look good shaved. (possibly wrong blog).
-Doing well with the ladies, and living your life man. Near there. I'm badly doing most of that.... made some major plans/ just gotta write em down and execute.
-but rite now helping an ill parent a bit. I'm sure he'll be fine/ but the hospital yesterday and ambulance and his specialist kind of dropped the ball. idiots. my brother (doc) agrees.

 

[tallglass13]

Update.
since I have been thinking I have become impotent, because of the 2 dates I had dysfunction, and my NO protocol was not given me stiff morning wood like before. So last night decided to try some NDT thyroid, just 4 drops which is not even 1 grain. but had nice stiff wood throughout the early morning until I woke up. Maybe thyroid jumpstarts the 5a enzyme.

 

[Helen]

Update.
since I have been thinking I have become impotent, because of the 2 dates I had dysfunction, and my NO protocol was not given me stiff morning wood like before. So last night decided to try some NDT thyroid, just 4 drops which is not even 1 grain. but had nice stiff wood throughout the early morning until I woke up. Maybe thyroid jumpstarts the 5a enzyme.

of course it does. morning wood you had anyway. it is different than normal wood.

you can always use DHT plus thyroid while waiting for duta to go away. like before the date


As for hair and all other stuff. why dont you start balancing, otherwise you will keep just screwing yourself up,

get a hairtest and start balancing, so many years just pass by , may be your hair will restore on it also

When you inhibit your 5ar with duta, your estrogen is higher, and that estrogen binds thyroid hormones, thus taking thyroid hormones when your estrogen is higher should make you feel better.

I am not sure , how Duta works , if it binds NADPH. then you can try to load NAD and B1, increase NADPH, and try to metabolize it out faster.

 

[tallglass13]

@Helen,
thank you for the explanation. Yes, definitely feel better with thyroid right now. will try some DHT along with it before intercourse. I will absolutely do the hair test real soon.

 

[Helen]

@tallglass13 please dont take those stupid drugs again, bud. Hairloss is all about iron manganese copper zinc metabolism. ammonia and potassium.

this controls citrullin bioavailablity, and also iron and copper control glutathione. Screwing with hormones will always create stupid imbalances, since hormones are there to retain minerals.


At least do the hairtest so we see what we are talking about. like to see what hairloss you have.

 

[tallglass13]

I think I have I've learned my lesson @Helen. there is nothing as important as our health, and that means our sexual health as well. that feeling of numb penis and no brain dick connection, is horrible. Hair can come later either with a full hair transplant or grow on its own through balancing , or if you discover the cure for MPB>
I will look into TEI this or next week and send a sample.

 

[Trump_1776]

DHT gel