Ihatefin log

[IHateFin]

I think I remember reading from @Helen that potassium increases AR sensitivity. If that's the case, wouldn't quercetin and potassium be affecting AR in opposite ways?

oh shit is that right? hmm I thought @Helen said it just lowers progesterone and zinc... I didn't know it increased androgen sensitivity... yeah I mean if that's the case the two would cancel each other out.. I guess ill try only taking the 8 caps of trib and the quercitin tomorrow then

 

[Niles]

oh shit is that right? hmm I thought @Helen said it just lowers progesterone and zinc... I didn't know it increased androgen sensitivity... yeah I mean if that's the case the two would cancel each other out.. I guess ill try only taking the 8 caps of trib and the quercitin tomorrow then

Idk, it may be a conditional thing. I asked @Helen to clarify, because "she" loaded potassium right after crash and said it raised AR but is now talking about trying to lower AR for "her" case. I know for me potassium starts up scalp itch like nothing else has, even R-andro. Probably effects others differently.

 

[IHateFin]

Idk, it may be a conditional thing. I asked @Helen to clarify, because she loaded potassium right after crash and said it raised AR but is now talking about trying to lower AR for "her" case. I know for me potassium starts up scalp itch like nothing else has, even R-andro. Probably effects others differently.

I think it triggers scalp itch due to lowering prog which I guess would increase 5AR which would indirectly increase AR sensitivity? hmm yeah I hope Helen clarifies soon haha

 

[Helen]

Idk, it may be a conditional thing. I asked @Helen to clarify, because "she" loaded potassium right after crash and said it raised AR but is now talking about trying to lower AR for "her" case. I know for me potassium starts up scalp itch like nothing else has, even R-andro. Probably effects others differently.

Niles, I am still experimenting with things and sometimes I spew different ideas, I dont have those ideas locked in and to be true yet. but you guys seem to take on them. We are still experimenting.


Taking potassium increases the met rate which allows estrogen to go up. I assume this is is why you feel better.

also taking potassium can make 5AR increase, since it allows progesterone to be coverted to neurosteroids.

I will try to write up the whole theoretical base for us to check today, I will create a new thread and outline the all possibilities that we need to check for PFS. I will do it today , I promise.

 

[MaximalCrazy]

IHateFin, are you still taking LDN at all?

I remember you saying that it increased your libido, did you have any other benefits and did any of the benefits stick around after you stopped taking it? I just took my first dose yesterday, so lets see what happens. How often do you/did you take it?

 

[IHateFin]

I took it for a few weeks sometimes once or 3 times a week and it did make my libido better, but mostly made my mood feel amazing and positive at times, but then started to make me sleepy too much when i took it so i havent touched it since. it has been months since i have taken it . benefits def did not stick

@MaximalCrazy

 

[IHateFin]

I have received my var from Russian star and will let you know once I decide to take it. I am very nervous since I don't want to be disappointed, but I will most likely take tomorrow or Friday at the latest. coming off a 3 day high dose trib cycle right now so im actually feeling decent today.

 

[Helen]

I have received my var from Russian star and will let you know once I decide to take it. I am very nervous since I don't want to be disappointed, but I will most likely take tomorrow or Friday at the latest. coming off a 3 day high dose trib cycle right now so im actually feeling decent today.

Bud , just take one pill , and then wait for a week . dont screw around with this stuff. If you see good reaction, then cycle.

We still dont know for which case this stuff is. Plus it is still anecdotal evidence to us, since that spanish dude is not a part of our forum. so we dont know if that story is legit. really.

 

[TubZy]

I have received my var from Russian star and will let you know once I decide to take it. I am very nervous since I don't want to be disappointed, but I will most likely take tomorrow or Friday at the latest. coming off a 3 day high dose trib cycle right now so im actually feeling decent today.

Also only take it if you are going to take anavar and anavar only. No tribulus, no potassium etc. just pure anavar and let yourself bounce back with no other supplements. It would good if you had a blood test prior as well so we can differentiate the cases. we want a clean trial as possible

 

[IHateFin]

Also only take it if you are going to take anavar and anavar only. No tribulus, no potassium etc. just pure anavar and let yourself bounce back with no other supplements. It would good if you had a blood test prior as well so we can differentiate the cases. we want a clean trial as possible

I will not take anything with it unless its an occasional Bcomplex vitamin. it will be sqeaky clean.

the pills came 52 count at 50mg a pop so im cutting them in half and will take 25mg worth. they were easy to split since they are a decent little size using a pill cutter.

my trial shall most likely commence Friday to allow any last changes for my body to undergo now that im off all my suppliments and vitamins and herbs.

@Helen

once I take it Friday I will wait it out and see what happens! I like that idea before taking it daily.
im starting to think my case is definitely involved in an epigenetic change to my receptor sensitivity most likely upregulated receptors to the point of dysfuction based on new found studies and info and based on how dht affects me and what happens to my body hair growth as I truly heal my receptors.

wish me luck fellas... I feel worst case scenario here I will be greatly disappointed which is almost as frightening as feeling bad on it tbh.

 

[IHateFin]

Russian star peptides

 

[MNK99]

Be careful though, seriously @IHateFin.
I hope the anzivars goes wellz man. Good luck. Stay low dose, I'm sure you wills.

 

[Helen]

@IHateFin

I think we have 2 cases, in one case we need something anabolic, and in another something androgenic.

anabolic substances are like anavar, superdrol, 17 alpha steroids. Those upregulate GR receptor and known for that.

those have 20 androgenic and 300-400 anabolic.


Then we need androgenic substance. which is hard to find. since all the provirons, masterons etc. are not enough androgenic. they are like 30-40 androgenic and 60 anabolic

The only substance which is androgenic is DHt which comes from testosterone. which matches your own DHT.

This is why the second case, can actually use Testosterone TRT. with AI, or controlled dosages. And this will downregulate the overexpressed receptors.


@IHateFin you see why I am saying to you to be carefull about anavar.

Of course all this could be reversed if I did not get it right., since the regulations are so complex. This is why I said , it is crucial for us to know if anavar works at all or not. and for which case. When we know which case anavar work for. we can easily match another case IMO

Plus we dont even know if anavar works at all. that guy is not on our forum even.

YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO FEEL GOOD ON stuff that will cure you. and you say yo feel bad on DHT. people who get cured from anavar, feel good on DHT and feel bad on anavar. I assume.( this is my assumption.)) this is not for sure.



This is why just take 1 pill and see the favorable snap back. you should not have libido on anavar. Niles felt ok on it and then felt like shit for 2 weeks.

 

[MNK99]

--NOT always. But, I think: some guys feel a bad mood at times (possibly minor, possibly not) on R-Andro(like DHT) and 4-Andro too, (like Test). --For me: Increased agitation
-- Then BETTER later. I believe. I was pretty happy on nothing, but still a couple to a few issues.
-- I shall take these notes into consideration, vis a vis the proposed implementation of Anavar.

-and yet low dose, pretty damn happy, even better for other issues at times. Improved, All day everyday? No. Sometimes I like it, sometimes not. Take tiny bit of Randro, workout, get work done... fine. Delay that, and need it just to feel bad for a long time, not great... even tho off I am fine... that's not good enough.
-Even so, it is 1billion times better than zero progress.
-Randro and 4andro also does make me eat more which is good, bc I train a lot, and sometimes undereat too long. I eat more carbs and fat on it. I am sure, other anrogeneic and anabolic substances would too.

 

[Helen]

I might not be right, but anavar probably helps those people who feel recovered on dexamethasone. Like Belikewater

 

[Jaxx]

@IHateFin


YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO FEEL GOOD ON stuff that will cure you. and you say yo feel bad on DHT. people who get cured from anavar, feel good on DHT and feel bad on anavar. I assume.( this is my assumption.)) this is not for sure.

WIth PSSD ive seen both. Feeling very bad and then better 1-2 days later (low dose SSRI), but also feeling better (prami, SJW) and this then sticks.
Maybe it is slightly different with PFS or hormones in general, but lets keep an open mind that both is possible.

 

[Helen]

WIth PSSD ive seen both. Feeling very bad and then better 1-2 days later (low dose SSRI), but also feeling better (prami, SJW) and this then sticks.
Maybe it is slightly different with PFS or hormones in general, but lets keep an open mind that both is possible.

prami specifically upregulates receptors of a neurotransmitter which is excessively broken down. SJW increases serotonin which is excessively broken down. which then increases cortisol.

Prami sticks for a while. Doubt it will stick for long. SJW I dont know how that would stick. the person should stay on it. may be I am wrong.

It is quite different. I think

In PFS a person with underactive AR, can also go on DHT and progesterone or test and progesterone and that will stick .

Same as a person with PSSD, can take licorice and that will stick, or MAOI and that will increase the baseline. or progesterone and testosterone, progesterone will provide cortisol which PSSD people crave so much. and testosterone will provide DHT, since going on progesterone solo will kill test in a week, and then you wont have DHT. and going on testosterone alone will kill progesteron and you wont have cortisol LOL

 

[Jaxx]

prami specifically upregulates receptors of a neurotransmitter which is excessively broken down. SJW increases serotonin which is excessively broken down. which then increases cortisol.

Prami sticks for a while. Doubt it will stick for long. SJW I dont know how that would stick. the person should stay on it. may be I am wrong.

It is quite different. I think

Honestly, we dont have a solid answer how it sticked for some, while not for most others. Both people have been cured for months and even years now. SJW seems more complex than pure serotonin upregulation btw, including gaba and dopamine action. Hypericum perforatum L (St John's wort) preferentially increases extracellular dopamine levels in the rat prefrontal cortex

But overall i completely agree that we need to experiment with stuff like avanar, but in a smart, safe and clean way. Great to see this community moving forward.

 

[Helen]

Honestly, we dont have a solid answer how it sticked for some, while not for most others. Both people have been cured for months and even years now. SJW seems more complex than pure serotonin upregulation btw, including gaba and dopamine action. Hypericum perforatum L (St John's wort) preferentially increases extracellular dopamine levels in the rat prefrontal cortex

But overall i completely agree that we need to experiment with stuff like avanar, but in a smart, safe and clean way. Great to see this community moving forward.

Bud, from what i saw PSSD are very similar cases. Prami will stick for months no doubt. Sjw I dont know how it works,

but as a rule of thumb if a huge community of people tries the same thing and it does nothing for them. Means those who claimed it, mostly likely did not quiet do only that, or may be there were other thing involved. Since IMO the divergence of cases in PSSD are much lower than in PFS. Heck we dont even know if we have many case in PFS either LOL

 

[IHateFin]

WIth PSSD ive seen both. Feeling very bad and then better 1-2 days later (low dose SSRI), but also feeling better (prami, SJW) and this then sticks.
Maybe it is slightly different with PFS or hormones in general, but lets keep an open mind that both is possible.

It honestly could go both ways.. feeling bad on a protocol or even good doesn't ever indicate anything having a greater chance of sticking. It really depends on what the protocol is trying to do.. for example if the protocol helps by inhibiting or lowering something to trigger the body to activate mechanisms based on feedback loops to correct homeostasis then yes you may feel bad on that protocol since that's the point so the snap back occurrs when you go off; however, if you're fixing yourself in a way that just straight up reverses something that is dysfunctional you will feel good o that protocol and then feel good after..