So, question. I have been trying to get out and “sun the boys” every day for 20 minutes. I have been doing a lot of intermittent fasting. Other things here and there. All to boost testosterone production. Then it dawned on me that I may just be spinning my wheels. Is this all a waste of time until we are out of a PFS state? Can we even reap the benefits of this if our bodies can’t process it? Would love your thoughts!
Is boosting test pointless for us?
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-There exists different levels of sophistication w.r.t. "boosting TEST". Some should help, like Vit d, etc... but fasted training can too... and the rite foods...
-Str. training, potatoes, meat, rice, carbs pre and post wo, etc.
-There must be a LOT of ways to raise test, either internally or externally (exogenously).
-One of the few Nofap studies that actually make sense - show peak test/ or increased serum test values at 7 or 14 days or so. (some addiction studies can be extrapolated onto Nofap, and some in abstaining seem to make sense, and some books, the rest of Reddit/NF is kind of sad).
-Str. training, potatoes, meat, rice, carbs pre and post wo, etc.
-There must be a LOT of ways to raise test, either internally or externally (exogenously).
-One of the few Nofap studies that actually make sense - show peak test/ or increased serum test values at 7 or 14 days or so. (some addiction studies can be extrapolated onto Nofap, and some in abstaining seem to make sense, and some books, the rest of Reddit/NF is kind of sad).
For sure, but if our receptors can’t process it, I could technically be boosting the hell out of it, and feel none of it, therefore making it pointless at this stage of the game, right?
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-I guess so... I thought you were doing pretty well (in your PFS fight) tho... don't let the mental game slip man. I think "yes". That doesn't mean it's all a waste tho.
-Did you fast to lower prog and downregulate other hormones? Careful refeed? Not to sound like I'm lecturing --- I couldn't/didn't till like months into it and that's a huge mistake.
-I don't do some things like body-scrubbing or sunning the boys and penile pumps yet (basically injured self jelqing a bit in mid 20's, and also: not good for nofap, it's not wise for that reason).
-I think Vit D on scrotum, i.e. "sunning", can help. I also think for me, that means getting arrested and or relapsing nofap.
-Cold showers are good, did them yrs in case it helped anxiety (+++ related issues), and also for excessive sweating. Helps focus at least. Possibly helped test maybe... but so did the
220 workouts or at least 190+ this yr, and the fasting like 52+ days (juice first, then water), and fasted training for all workouts after rebuilding enzymes, i.e. refeeding/ more cals, etc.
-Did you fast to lower prog and downregulate other hormones? Careful refeed? Not to sound like I'm lecturing --- I couldn't/didn't till like months into it and that's a huge mistake.
-I don't do some things like body-scrubbing or sunning the boys and penile pumps yet (basically injured self jelqing a bit in mid 20's, and also: not good for nofap, it's not wise for that reason).
-I think Vit D on scrotum, i.e. "sunning", can help. I also think for me, that means getting arrested and or relapsing nofap.
-Cold showers are good, did them yrs in case it helped anxiety (+++ related issues), and also for excessive sweating. Helps focus at least. Possibly helped test maybe... but so did the
220 workouts or at least 190+ this yr, and the fasting like 52+ days (juice first, then water), and fasted training for all workouts after rebuilding enzymes, i.e. refeeding/ more cals, etc.
One thing you'll see from my cycle/log is the focus on receptors... I recently added L Carnitine , here's a link why but you'll find plenty of good evidence like it
Carnitine and Testosterone: Amino Acid that Boosts your Androgen Receptor Density
Carnitine and Testosterone: Amino Acid that Boosts your Androgen Receptor Density
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-SOME of that stuff definitely hurts me (which... who knows, Pine Pollen for one). I bought 7 of em... now they're better, but hurt mood/ headaches... etc.
-Worth noting... same drugs used for severe migrains, moods, and epilepsy... so maybe in perfect health some of those would hurt me anyways (same with ashwaganda).
-Again, that's not common from what I can tell for most ppl.
-Still useful as PCT in recent months (had some left), but... not really for me that much... tbh. Possibly worsens insomnia, acid reflux... IDK, other things too.
-Does make me stronger, and of the 5 I was using, there was some anti prolactin effects, it was like 1/20 things I did though.
-Last yr did not help that much... post a ton of fasting and like 1000x progress, even doing nothing at all could be beneficial, not to imply they are useless for all... I don't
mind them.... But yeah, anyways.
-Thanks again @HS and @IHateFin, Joe, Aztec, etc for all the advice, Area-1255 too... but for outside pfs mostly.
-Hence, my insistence that: 1. There's no perfect protocol that all can follow and get 100%from quickly, and 2. YMMV and may as well try all kinds of things.
Experiment, like a girl in college.
-Worth noting... same drugs used for severe migrains, moods, and epilepsy... so maybe in perfect health some of those would hurt me anyways (same with ashwaganda).
-Again, that's not common from what I can tell for most ppl.
-Still useful as PCT in recent months (had some left), but... not really for me that much... tbh. Possibly worsens insomnia, acid reflux... IDK, other things too.
-Does make me stronger, and of the 5 I was using, there was some anti prolactin effects, it was like 1/20 things I did though.
-Last yr did not help that much... post a ton of fasting and like 1000x progress, even doing nothing at all could be beneficial, not to imply they are useless for all... I don't
mind them.... But yeah, anyways.
-Thanks again @HS and @IHateFin, Joe, Aztec, etc for all the advice, Area-1255 too... but for outside pfs mostly.
-Hence, my insistence that: 1. There's no perfect protocol that all can follow and get 100%from quickly, and 2. YMMV and may as well try all kinds of things.
Experiment, like a girl in college.
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When I used creatine (raise DHT) I felt worse. When I used 5AR inhibitor like tomato juice and coconut oil I felt better. I might respond well to Anavar since it is not as strong/potent as DHT. It might be able to fix the issues I am still having.
I also felt stable right when I came off testosterone and had low testosterone for a few weeks.
Now I think I am back to what I was and I have more mood swings and sex drive goes up and down. It is rollercoaster lately. One day I feel pre-fin. Day after I feel depressed and brainfog. Even though I eat same diet, good sleep, etc.
I think boosting testosterone is eating an optimal diet. So that would not be bad thing. If it is going to affect how you feel. It might affect you to feel worse or better. Just got to try it out.
Best test boosting route IMO = get sun, high calories, high carbohydrate (especially if you workout - carbs with potassium), creatine, IF/carb loading.
I also felt stable right when I came off testosterone and had low testosterone for a few weeks.
Now I think I am back to what I was and I have more mood swings and sex drive goes up and down. It is rollercoaster lately. One day I feel pre-fin. Day after I feel depressed and brainfog. Even though I eat same diet, good sleep, etc.
I think boosting testosterone is eating an optimal diet. So that would not be bad thing. If it is going to affect how you feel. It might affect you to feel worse or better. Just got to try it out.
Best test boosting route IMO = get sun, high calories, high carbohydrate (especially if you workout - carbs with potassium), creatine, IF/carb loading.
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Not that bad though!