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[J4son]

Hello [mention]gbolduev[/mention] . I found you in this forum from searching your username in google. I cant send you a direct message because I am a new member on this forum. You replied to my thread back in September on the ray peat forum https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/zinc-killed-my-libido.18331/page-2

Unfortunately I was not able to find a solution to my problem , but there were times I felt I was on the right track and felt my libido returning. I really need to talk with you and ask you some questions and tell you what I have done. You seem to be the only with deep knowledge on these things. Doctors think im crazy. Please , if you find any time.

The topic was "Zinc killed my libido"

Hello , a year ago I decided to suplement with 200 mg of zinc per day(I know it was very stupid).This killed my libido completely.Some months later I had blood test done that showed:

ceruloplasmin -> 0,20 mg% normal range -> 0,15-,0,60
zinc ->89,0 ug/dl normal range -> 50-120
ferritin ->66,0 ug/ml normal range ->30-437

My doctor said that those levels were normal and that I shouldnt worry about it.
Some months later after doing my research I figured out that I probably have caused a copper deficiency.
Coper deficiency leads to low ferriting and low DHT(which is responsible for erections)
I then started suplementing with copper(25 mg per day)
My libido went up IMMEDIATLY but it did not get back to the way it was.
After 5 days on 25 mg of copper per day my libido started lowering again.
Then I decided to test my blood levels of copper and zinc.
My levels now are

Copper -> 102 ug/dl normal range -> 70-140
Zinc ->73,7 ug/dl normal range ->50-120

What do I need to do?Do I need to supplement with zinc?

 

[Canari]

If you can make it easier! Ok, you are a bit lost and I made the thread, and also dug out your informations from RPF for you, put your 1st topic post from RPF in your post up there, hope you go on now! Well, I add the rest from you and gbolduev too...

You said:

I dont have strong erection.My erections are softer and I ejaculate easily.They were way harder before.

Got an answer that was:

Aluminium from foods creates longer erection. Be aware that we are quite saturated with aluminium oxide (bad) in the environment now. Answer: dill pickles for erection! why? Sodium and silicon. Sodium and silicon Oppose oxidized aluminium in the small intestine. Natural aluminium is in: Oranges, plantain (cooked), oyster, muscles, cacao (mixed cacao and maple syrup in fresh coffee).

Other foods that have silicon include Ghee, butter, bamboo.

Eat more dill pickles for lunch and cooked plantains for supper. and then tell me you don't get better erections.

And [mention]gbolduev[/mention] answered this:

Very easy . Zinc lowers magnesium which makes copper biounavailable. This will lower your serum manganese. Since serum manganese goes down your IRON cant come out into the serum. IRON is what makes DHT sensitive.


Calcium magnesium copper zinc manganese supplement will fix you up. Copper alone 25mg will increase sodium too much and that will lower magnesium and basically ceruloplasmin will tank , even if you take 25mg which is insane.

Bottom line, copper when you take it , it tanks potassium and puts pressure on magnesium. When potassium tanks on taking 25mg copper, body will increase sodium extraction and will try to retain potassium by increasing 3 beta hsd, and will retain magnesium. Since you dont have enough magnesium , you taking copper is doing nothing.

This is the biggest mistake of people taking copper. Copper only should be taken with potassium and magnesium and sometimes manganese. Otherwise taking copper will never raise your ceruloplasmin.

This is what happened to you. when you took zinc, your potassium in the cell went up since zinc increases 3 beta hsd.

Then you took a little bit of copper and your drive sex drive went up. But you took so much copper that your potassium tanks from high to low. Now body is retaining zinc and gettting rid of copper LOL

For your body to retain copper you need to support potassium level with potassium and magnesium.


In any case, try supplement

magnesium, calcium, d3, zinc, copper , manganese, boron

It should fix you within a week or so.

You then said:

Hello , thank you for answering me!

since the last time I have tried taking copper and eating copper rich foods.I also was taking 800 mg magnesium a day for 1 month.All the above seemed to help a little my problem (like 20%) but they did not fix it.I did not experiment with manganese though.You recommended me to supplement wtih manganese.How much should I take?And why boron?Could I have a boron deficiency from all this?

Thank you

 

[Canari]

I have tried eating dark chocolate but it did nothing

I have also tried raw cacao beans.I saw some improvement but I had to stop because they were making me feel strange.Could it be something in the cacao?

Also why do you recommend taking copper and zinc and manganese together? Dont all these interact with each other and inhibit each others absorption and functions?This is so complicated

What I think I have is manganese deficiency.I dont think that I have a copper deficiency anymore.Being deficient in manganese my body cant hold zinc.I was thinking about eating oatmeal for manganese.

 

[J4son]

I have tried eating dark chocolate but it did nothing

I have also tried raw cacao beans.I saw some improvement but I had to stop because they were making me feel strange.Could it be something in the cacao?

Also why do you recommend taking copper and zinc and manganese together? Dont all these interact with each other and inhibit each others absorption and functions?This is so complicated

What I think I have is manganese deficiency.I dont think that I have a copper deficiency anymore.Being deficient in manganese my body cant hold zinc.I was thinking about eating oatmeal for manganese.

Thank you for creating this post.Im new to this forum.Im really searching for an answer to this.Thanks!